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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject: replacement windscreen review

Back in October there was a request from Carlos at Cee  Baileys asking for windscreens they could use to prototype a new replacement  windscreen.

http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=63632



I  had some concerns with the quality of my windscreen as it simply did not fit as  well as I would have like. I cut it to the black line and did everything I  could, yet my windscreen had a problem where is bulged out over .250 gap on one  side (right) I called Vans and they told me it was the first they had heard of  this..Funny thing is I later discovered Tim Olson had the exact same problem  mentioned on his webpage.

 I jumped on the offer as Cee Baileys is down  the road from me. They sent out a truck and took my windscreen and wingtip  lenses. After two months and a couple refits the

screen was given back and  fit into the canopy.

Vans has the builder on sect 45-08 trim and  (retrim) and final trim and final fit, etc..in the first two steps (45-18 for  the front window which references one to go back to 45-0 took me hours to get  the fit decent. With the Cee Baileys these two steps are all be removed except  for the "Final-Trim the perimeter of the front window as required to allow it to  fit into the recess." From the time the windscreen was moved from the truck to  the time it took to final trim and fit into my canopy was 30 minutes. The fit  was close to perfect, which is normal since it was designed to fit all RV-10's  with a little room for differences in each build. The quality of the Cee  Baileys windscreen  is excellent, I can't imagine there is much  difference in the .250 width acrylic, but there is a difference in the clarity  between the two. My understanding is that it's in the way the acrylic is  stretched and fitted that makes this difference. It could also be that one was  brand new and had less wear on it than the Vans one that required me to move  back and forth to fit it over 12 (probably more) times. Hard to explain this but  the new windscreen, maybe because it fit, looks much better on the plane than  the trimmed Vans (warped) windscreen ever did.



The Cee Baileys wingtip  lenses (vans VA-193)- Wow! now there this a difference in the quality of the  plastic. The Vans stock is flimsy and feels cheap, the Cee Baileys lens, which  BTW are also close to custom fitted, for allowance of the fiberglass  differences, feel more solid and "durable". Been told it will outlast the Vans  parts 2-3 times.



In both cases I am very happy with what Cee Baileys did  for these parts, they are part of Desser Tires and have setup a webpage for the  RV-10, I suggested they add the Cee Baileys parts to the Desser web page or as a  minimum a link on the page for easy future  reference.

http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/

On a  personal note I have to say that Ken from Desser and Tom Bailey were outstanding  to work with. They really are interested providing parts for the RV's out there  and Ken mentioned he was working with Rapco to get brake pads specially made for  the RV-10 so there would be another option to the builders. Ken has a  commitment for early 2011. He told me that he will probably offer an  introductory price that is far better than what is currently  offered.

 Another item he mentioned is that they provide upholstery  for a OEM company. I suggested they consider doing the RV-10 seats as well an  interior and a other work. I need neither but it may be another great option for  builders. Lastly, Cee Baileys makes heat deflectors for certified aircraft. I  asked that they consider making some for the RV-10 which it appears is hard to  do without using suction cups and that has shown to be a 1 week or less  solution, aka they fall off if a plane is left sitting in the heat for over 1  week. Ken is looking for options that might work.

 So in the end I'm excited about the options Desser is  looking to provide to builders. They already provide the stock tires we all get  from Vans so it makes it that much easier for future builders to get a  windscreen, lens and tires directly from Desser and skip it on the Finish kit  list.. What really is exciting is what has developed for the RV-10 in  aftermarket options since I started the project in 2007. 

 Hope this helps someone. I give  this review to help those who still need to order/replace the Stock  Vans parts and let you know there is another option versus getting it as  part of the kit.  The only thing I did gain from this is an exchanged  replacement windscreen and wingtip lenses I gain nothing else.

  

  

 Pascal

  

  

  

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:10 am Post subject: replacement windscreen review

On 12/11/2010 1:30 AM, Pascal wrote:      	  Quote: 	
		                       Back in October there was a request from           Carlos at Cee Baileys asking for windscreens they could use to           prototype a new replacement windscreen.

           http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=63632

           

           I had some concerns with the quality of my windscreen as it           simply did not fit as well as I would have like. I cut it to           the black line and did everything I could, yet my windscreen           had a problem where is bulged out over .250 gap on one side           (right) I called Vans and they told me it was the first they           had heard of this..Funny thing is I later discovered Tim Olson           had the exact same problem mentioned on his webpage.

         

     	
     I haven't had a problem .... yet ..... but "the       first they had heard of this" shows up here frequently, and in a       recent discussion in the hangar!  Must be the stock answer.        Troubling.

       Thanks Pascal, for the info.

       Linn

       

          [quote]        I jumped on the offer as Cee Baileys is           down the road from me. They sent out a truck and took my           windscreen and wingtip lenses. After two months and a couple           refits the

           screen was given back and fit into the canopy.

           Vans has the builder on sect 45-08 trim and (retrim) and final           trim and final fit, etc..in the first two steps (45-18 for the           front window which references one to go back to 45-0 took me           hours to get the fit decent. With the Cee Baileys these two           steps are all be removed except for the "Final-Trim the           perimeter of the front window as required to allow it to fit           into the recess." From the time the windscreen was moved from           the truck to the time it took to final trim and fit into my           canopy was 30 minutes. The fit was close to perfect, which is           normal since it was designed to fit all RV-10's with a little           room for differences in each build. The quality of the Cee           Baileys windscreen  is excellent, I can't imagine there is           much difference in the .250 width acrylic, but there is a           difference in the clarity between the two. My understanding is           that it's in the way the acrylic is stretched and fitted that           makes this difference. It could also be that one was brand new           and had less wear on it than the Vans one that required me to           move back and forth to fit it over 12 (probably more) times.           Hard to explain this but the new windscreen, maybe because it           fit, looks much better on the plane than the trimmed Vans           (warped) windscreen ever did.

           

           The Cee Baileys wingtip lenses (vans VA-193)- Wow! now there           this a difference in the quality of the plastic. The Vans           stock is flimsy and feels cheap, the Cee Baileys lens, which           BTW are also close to custom fitted, for allowance of the           fiberglass differences, feel more solid and "durable". Been           told it will outlast the Vans parts 2-3 times.

           

           In both cases I am very happy with what Cee Baileys did for           these parts, they are part of Desser Tires and have setup a           webpage for the RV-10, I suggested they add the Cee Baileys           parts to the Desser web page or as a minimum a link on the           page for easy future reference.

           http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/

           On a personal note I have to say that Ken from Desser and Tom           Bailey were outstanding to work with. They really are           interested providing parts for the RV's out there and Ken           mentioned he was working with Rapco to get brake pads           specially made for the RV-10 so there would be another option           to the builders. Ken has a commitment for early 2011. He told           me that he will probably offer an introductory price that is           far better than what is currently offered.

       Another item he mentioned is that they           provide upholstery for a OEM company. I suggested they           consider doing the RV-10 seats as well an interior and a other           work. I need neither but it may be another great option for           builders. Lastly, Cee Baileys makes heat deflectors for           certified aircraft. I asked that they consider making some for           the RV-10 which it appears is hard to do without using suction           cups and that has shown to be a 1 week or less solution, aka           they fall off if a plane is left sitting in the heat for over           1 week. Ken is looking for options that might work.

       So in the end I'm excited about the           options Desser is looking to provide to builders. They already           provide the stock tires we all get from Vans so it makes it           that much easier for future builders to get a windscreen, lens           and tires directly from Desser and skip it on the Finish kit           list.. What really is exciting is what has developed for the           RV-10 in aftermarket options since I started the project in           2007. 

       Hope this helps someone. I give this review to help those who still need           to order/replace the Stock Vans parts and let you know there           is another option versus getting it as part of the kit.  The           only thing I did gain from this is an exchanged replacement           windscreen and wingtip lenses I gain nothing else.

        

        

       Pascal

        

        

        

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:08 am Post subject: replacement windscreen review

I have heard of it from many people along the way over the

years, so it's another one of those "heard it a bunch

of times" (forum users) yet "never heard of it before"

(official company response) things.  I did work through it

ok on mine, but it required lots of sanding and I'm sure

I thinned out the windshield in that area after sanding.

Not the most elegant thing.  If this Cee Bailey windshield

fits a lot better and has equivalent thickness and specs,

then I think it's a good idea.  I know if I ever have

to replace my windshield I will want one that fit better

than my first one, because I'd tear up a lot more

of the forward fuselage trying to glue and fill one

like my first, back in place.



One of these days I'll have to update and improve my

aftermarket add-ons area on my site to be more inclusive

of everything, and maybe list it in a Kit-by-kit format

so that builders can know what parts to delete from

their order, and buy substitutes, such as the nosewheel,

nosewheel axle, axle extensions, oil coolers for some

people, brake/fairing mounts, and all of those things

that you really probably are best off not installing

the stock item.  It may make it easier for people buying

kits to just trim it down quick.  Also, if enough people

vote by deleting items from the kits, perhaps they'll

think about why that is, and either change suppliers,

or improve their original parts....or best, include

these things in the kit as standard parts.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

On 12/11/2010 12:30 AM, Pascal wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Back in October there was a request from Carlos at Cee Baileys asking

 for windscreens they could use to prototype a new replacement windscreen.

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=63632



 I had some concerns with the quality of my windscreen as it simply did

 not fit as well as I would have like. I cut it to the black line and did

 everything I could, yet my windscreen had a problem where is bulged out

 over .250 gap on one side (right) I called Vans and they told me it was

 the first they had heard of this..Funny thing is I later discovered Tim

 Olson had the exact same problem mentioned on his webpage.

 I jumped on the offer as Cee Baileys is down the road from me. They sent

 out a truck and took my windscreen and wingtip lenses. After two months

 and a couple refits the

 screen was given back and fit into the canopy.

 Vans has the builder on sect 45-08 trim and (retrim) and final trim and

 final fit, etc..in the first two steps (45-18 for the front window which

 references one to go back to 45-0 took me hours to get the fit decent.

 With the Cee Baileys these two steps are all be removed except for the

 "Final-Trim the perimeter of the front window as required to allow it to

 fit into the recess." From the time the windscreen was moved from the

 truck to the time it took to final trim and fit into my canopy was 30

 minutes. The fit was close to perfect, which is normal since it was

 designed to fit all RV-10's with a little room for differences in each

 build. The quality of the Cee Baileys windscreen is excellent, I can't

 imagine there is much difference in the .250 width acrylic, but there is

 a difference in the clarity between the two. My understanding is that

 it's in the way the acrylic is stretched and fitted that makes this

 difference. It could also be that one was brand new and had less wear on

 it than the Vans one that required me to move back and forth to fit it

 over 12 (probably more) times. Hard to explain this but the new

 windscreen, maybe because it fit, looks much better on the plane than

 the trimmed Vans (warped) windscreen ever did.



 The Cee Baileys wingtip lenses (vans VA-193)- Wow! now there this a

 difference in the quality of the plastic. The Vans stock is flimsy and

 feels cheap, the Cee Baileys lens, which BTW are also close to custom

 fitted, for allowance of the fiberglass differences, feel more solid and

 "durable". Been told it will outlast the Vans parts 2-3 times.



 In both cases I am very happy with what Cee Baileys did for these parts,

 they are part of Desser Tires and have setup a webpage for the RV-10, I

 suggested they add the Cee Baileys parts to the Desser web page or as a

 minimum a link on the page for easy future reference.

 http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/

 On a personal note I have to say that Ken from Desser and Tom Bailey

 were outstanding to work with. They really are interested providing

 parts for the RV's out there and Ken mentioned he was working with Rapco

 to get brake pads specially made for the RV-10 so there would be another

 option to the builders. Ken has a commitment for early 2011. He told me

 that he will probably offer an introductory price that is far better

 than what is currently offered.

 Another item he mentioned is that they provide upholstery for a OEM

 company. I suggested they consider doing the RV-10 seats as well an

 interior and a other work. I need neither but it may be another great

 option for builders. Lastly, Cee Baileys makes heat deflectors for

 certified aircraft. I asked that they consider making some for the RV-10

 which it appears is hard to do without using suction cups and that has

 shown to be a 1 week or less solution, aka they fall off if a plane is

 left sitting in the heat for over 1 week. Ken is looking for options

 that might work.

 So in the end I'm excited about the options Desser is looking to provide

 to builders. They already provide the stock tires we all get from Vans

 so it makes it that much easier for future builders to get a windscreen,

 lens and tires directly from Desser and skip it on the Finish kit list..

 What really is exciting is what has developed for the RV-10 in

 aftermarket options since I started the project in 2007.

 Hope this helps someone. I give this review to help those who still need

 to order/replace the Stock Vans parts and let you know there is another

 option versus getting it as part of the kit. The only thing I did gain

 from this is an exchanged replacement windscreen and wingtip lenses I

 gain nothing else.

 Pascal



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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:21 am Post subject: replacement windscreen review

I checked the site and did not see the replacement wing tip lens?

---

robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:41 am Post subject: replacement windscreen review

Yeah Tim, when are you going to get around to updating your site? What have you been doing with all your free time? Slacker! 

 

Robin 

Do Not Archive 

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Tim Olson

 Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:06 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: replacement windscreen review

  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>



I have heard of it from many people along the way over the

 years, so it's another one of those "heard it a bunch

of times" (forum users) yet "never heard of it before"

(official company response) things.  I did work through it

ok on mine, but it required lots of sanding and I'm sure

 I thinned out the windshield in that area after sanding.

Not the most elegant thing.  If this Cee Bailey windshield

fits a lot better and has equivalent thickness and specs,

then I think it's a good idea.  I know if I ever have

 to replace my windshield I will want one that fit better

than my first one, because I'd tear up a lot more

of the forward fuselage trying to glue and fill one

like my first, back in place.



One of these days I'll have to update and improve my

 aftermarket add-ons area on my site to be more inclusive

of everything, and maybe list it in a Kit-by-kit format

so that builders can know what parts to delete from

their order, and buy substitutes, such as the nosewheel,

 nosewheel axle, axle extensions, oil coolers for some

people, brake/fairing mounts, and all of those things

that you really probably are best off not installing

the stock item.  It may make it easier for people buying

 kits to just trim it down quick.  Also, if enough people

vote by deleting items from the kits, perhaps they'll

think about why that is, and either change suppliers,

or improve their original parts....or best, include

 these things in the kit as standard parts.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

On 12/11/2010 12:30 AM, Pascal wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Back in October there was a request from Carlos at Cee Baileys asking

 > for windscreens they could use to prototype a new replacement windscreen.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=63632

 >
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   I had some concerns with the quality of my windscreen as it simply did

 not fit as well as I would have like. I cut it to the black line and did

 everything I could, yet my windscreen had a problem where is bulged out

 > over .250 gap on one side (right) I called Vans and they told me it was
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   the first they had heard of this..Funny thing is I later discovered Tim

 Olson had the exact same problem mentioned on his webpage.

 > I jumped on the offer as Cee Baileys is down the road from me. They sent
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   out a truck and took my windscreen and wingtip lenses. After two months

 and a couple refits the

 screen was given back and fit into the canopy.

 > Vans has the builder on sect 45-08 trim and (retrim) and final trim and
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   final fit, etc..in the first two steps (45-18 for the front window which

 references one to go back to 45-0 took me hours to get the fit decent.

 > With the Cee Baileys these two steps are all be removed except for the
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   "Final-Trim the perimeter of the front window as required to allow it to

 fit into the recess." From the time the windscreen was moved from the

 > truck to the time it took to final trim and fit into my canopy was 30
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   minutes. The fit was close to perfect, which is normal since it was

 designed to fit all RV-10's with a little room for differences in each

 > build. The quality of the Cee Baileys windscreen is excellent, I can't
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   imagine there is much difference in the .250 width acrylic, but there is

 a difference in the clarity between the two. My understanding is that

 > it's in the way the acrylic is stretched and fitted that makes this
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   difference. It could also be that one was brand new and had less wear on

 it than the Vans one that required me to move back and forth to fit it

 > over 12 (probably more) times. Hard to explain this but the new
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   windscreen, maybe because it fit, looks much better on the plane than

 the trimmed Vans (warped) windscreen ever did.



 The Cee Baileys wingtip lenses (vans VA-193)- Wow! now there this a

 > difference in the quality of the plastic. The Vans stock is flimsy and
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   feels cheap, the Cee Baileys lens, which BTW are also close to custom

 fitted, for allowance of the fiberglass differences, feel more solid and

 > "durable". Been told it will outlast the Vans parts 2-3 times.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  

 In both cases I am very happy with what Cee Baileys did for these parts,

 they are part of Desser Tires and have setup a webpage for the RV-10, I

 > suggested they add the Cee Baileys parts to the Desser web page or as a
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   minimum a link on the page for easy future reference.

 http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/

 > On a personal note I have to say that Ken from Desser and Tom Bailey
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   were outstanding to work with. They really are interested providing

 parts for the RV's out there and Ken mentioned he was working with Rapco

 > to get brake pads specially made for the RV-10 so there would be another
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   option to the builders. Ken has a commitment for early 2011. He told me

 that he will probably offer an introductory price that is far better

 > than what is currently offered.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   Another item he mentioned is that they provide upholstery for a OEM

 company. I suggested they consider doing the RV-10 seats as well an

 interior and a other work. I need neither but it may be another great

 > option for builders. Lastly, Cee Baileys makes heat deflectors for
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   certified aircraft. I asked that they consider making some for the RV-10

 which it appears is hard to do without using suction cups and that has

 > shown to be a 1 week or less solution, aka they fall off if a plane is
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   left sitting in the heat for over 1 week. Ken is looking for options

 that might work.

 So in the end I'm excited about the options Desser is looking to provide

 > to builders. They already provide the stock tires we all get from Vans
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   so it makes it that much easier for future builders to get a windscreen,

 lens and tires directly from Desser and skip it on the Finish kit list..

 > What really is exciting is what has developed for the RV-10 in
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   aftermarket options since I started the project in 2007.

 Hope this helps someone. I give this review to help those who still need

 to order/replace the Stock Vans parts and let you know there is another

 > option versus getting it as part of the kit. The only thing I did gain
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   from this is an exchanged replacement windscreen and wingtip lenses I

 gain nothing else.

 Pascal



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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:51 am Post subject: replacement windscreen review

rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
Guest

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:46 pm Post subject: replacement windscreen review

Site appears to be updated now.

http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/.

There is two options, drilled and countersunk for new builders and undrilled 

for replacements. I suggested they drill the holes so all a builder needed 

to do was position the lens and match drill the lens to the wingtip, saves a 

few steps including getting a better fit.

Hope that helps!

Pascal

------------------------------------------------

From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>

Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:18 AM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: replacement windscreen review



[quote] 



 I checked the site and did not see the replacement wing tip lens?

 ---

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: replacement windscreen review

PS: Especially for retrofit installs....nutplate spacings won't

be the same from plane to plane.

On 12/14/2010 5:43 PM, Pascal wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Site appears to be updated now.

 http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/.

 There is two options, drilled and countersunk for new builders and

 undrilled for replacements. I suggested they drill the holes so all a

 builder needed to do was position the lens and match drill the lens to

 the wingtip, saves a few steps including getting a better fit.

 Hope that helps!

 Pascal

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: replacement windscreen review

Personally, I would recommend them NOT predrill all

the holes.  I know many builders have varied the number

of holes and nutplates used.  I would rather drill them

myself.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

On 12/14/2010 5:43 PM, Pascal wrote:

[quote] 

 Site appears to be updated now.

 http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/.

 There is two options, drilled and countersunk for new builders and

 undrilled for replacements. I suggested they drill the holes so all a

 builder needed to do was position the lens and match drill the lens to

 the wingtip, saves a few steps including getting a better fit.

 Hope that helps!

 Pascal

 ------------------------------------------------

 From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>

 Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:18 AM

 To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: Re: replacement windscreen review

> 

>

> I checked the site and did not see the replacement wing tip lens?

> ---

rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
Guest

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: replacement windscreen review

Basically they are all undrilled but IF someone orders the countersunk ones 

they will be predrilled before shipping. I just figured having the holes 

already drilled would help with the final drilling as all the wingtips 

should be close to being the same so I suggested it thinking it would help 

new builders. For retrofits, no question, undrilled. Hence the two options.

Pascal

--------------------------------------------------

From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:47 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: replacement windscreen review



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 PS: Especially for retrofit installs....nutplate spacings won't

 be the same from plane to plane.

 On 12/14/2010 5:43 PM, Pascal wrote:

> 

>

> Site appears to be updated now.

> http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/.

> There is two options, drilled and countersunk for new builders and

> undrilled for replacements. I suggested they drill the holes so all a

> builder needed to do was position the lens and match drill the lens to

> the wingtip, saves a few steps including getting a better fit.

> Hope that helps!

> Pascal

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: replacement windscreen review

Sounds like they have it perfect then. 

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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On 12/14/2010 8:27 PM, Pascal wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Basically they are all undrilled but IF someone orders the countersunk

 ones they will be predrilled before shipping. I just figured having the

 holes already drilled would help with the final drilling as all the

 wingtips should be close to being the same so I suggested it thinking it

 would help new builders. For retrofits, no question, undrilled. Hence

 the two options.

 Pascal

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