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jchang10

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 227

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:08 am Post subject: Slickstart module location

For those of you with the Slickstart module, where did you end up installing it? I already have stuff on the left top of the firewall. The center top of the firewall might interfere with accessing the oil filter. Thus, the right top is seemingly the best choice for me.



Just curious what others have done. Not sure what Van's did on their demo machine either. 



http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/undercowl/P0003082.html



Jae

40533

dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:36 am Post subject: Slickstart module location

It can go just about anywhere.  We've put them on the firewall,

adel-clamped to engine mount, behind the panel, etc.  It's not too

critical.



Dave Saylor

AirCrafters

140 Aviation Way

Watsonville, CA 95076

831-722-9141 Shop

831-750-0284 Cell



On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:09 AM, jchang10 <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> wrote:

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 For those of you with the Slickstart module, where did you end up installing it? I already have stuff on the left top of the firewall. The center top of the firewall might interfere with accessing the oil filter. Thus, the right top is seemingly the best choice for me.



 Just curious what others have done. Not sure what Van's did on their demo machine either.



 http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/undercowl/P0003082.html



 Jae

 40533





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325278#325278

Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:15 pm Post subject: Slickstart module location

That's where I put mine - right underneath the brake fluid reservoir.



On 1/2/2011 4:09 AM, jchang10 wrote:

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 For those of you with the Slickstart module, where did you end up installing it? I already have stuff on the left top of the firewall. The center top of the firewall might interfere with accessing the oil filter. Thus, the right top is seemingly the best choice for me.



 Just curious what others have done. Not sure what Van's did on their demo machine either.

jchang10

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 227

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Slickstart module location

Thanks for the replies!



Interestingly, i asked another flying -10 builder, where he put his slickstart module, and he said what is that? Thus, a Mattituck IO540 with 2 slick mags, no EI, and no slickstart module, seems to start up fine with no issues whatsoever.



In the photo of N410RV, I don't see any "extra" wires going to their left mag, either. I plan to ask Van's about it this week.



Jae

40533

dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject: Slickstart module location

Impulse couplings are the mechanical version of the SlickStart.

That's what people use if they don't have a SlickStart, or if you look

in the installation instructions you can uses a SlickStart with

impulse couplings for a belt-and-suspenders approach.



Dave Saylor

AirCrafters

140 Aviation Way

Watsonville, CA 95076

831-722-9141 Shop

831-750-0284 Cell



On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, jchang10 <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> wrote:

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 Thanks for the replies!



 Interestingly, i asked another flying -10 builder, where he put his slickstart module, and he said what is that? Thus, a Mattituck IO540 with 2 slick mags, no EI, and no slickstart module, seems to start up fine with no issues whatsoever.



 In the photo of N410RV, I don't see any "extra" wires going to their left mag, either. I plan to ask Van's about it this week.



 Jae

 40533





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325362#325362

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:52 pm Post subject: Slickstart module location

The Slick start was originally a replacement for the vibrator in retard 

breaker systems such as the Bendix shower of sparks setup the Comanche 

and many Mooneys used.

On 1/2/2011 7:39 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Impulse couplings are the mechanical version of the SlickStart.

 That's what people use if they don't have a SlickStart, or if you look

 in the installation instructions you can uses a SlickStart with

 impulse couplings for a belt-and-suspenders approach.



 Dave Saylor

 AirCrafters

 140 Aviation Way

 Watsonville, CA 95076

 831-722-9141 Shop

 831-750-0284 Cell



 On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, jchang10<jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>  wrote:

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>

> Thanks for the replies!

>

> Interestingly, i asked another flying -10 builder, where he put his slickstart module, and he said what is that? Thus, a Mattituck IO540 with 2 slick mags, no EI, and no slickstart module, seems to start up fine with no issues whatsoever.

>

> In the photo of N410RV, I don't see any "extra" wires going to their left mag, either. I plan to ask Van's about it this week.

>

> Jae

> 40533

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

>

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325362#325362

>

>

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jchang10

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 227

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:54 pm Post subject: Slickstart module location

Actually, I assumed he had the same Slick mag, with just a retard 

breaker. I don't know exactly what retard breakers do, but I am familiar 

with impulse couplers, from the Cessna training days.



However, I can't remember if most Cessnas have dual or single impulse 

coupled mags? I would guess single, but now I wonder why? Is there 

anything wrong with having dual impulse coupled mags, other than extra cost?



Jae

40533



On 1/2/2011 6:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

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 The Slick start was originally a replacement for the vibrator in 

 retard breaker systems such as the Bendix shower of sparks setup the 

 Comanche and many Mooneys used.

 On 1/2/2011 7:39 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:

> 

> Saylor<dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>

>

> Impulse couplings are the mechanical version of the SlickStart.

> That's what people use if they don't have a SlickStart, or if you look

> in the installation instructions you can uses a SlickStart with

> impulse couplings for a belt-and-suspenders approach.

>

> Dave Saylor

> AirCrafters

> 140 Aviation Way

> Watsonville, CA 95076

> 831-722-9141 Shop

> 831-750-0284 Cell

>

> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, 

> jchang10<jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>  wrote:

>> 

>> "jchang10"<jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>

>>

>> Thanks for the replies!

>>

>> Interestingly, i asked another flying -10 builder, where he put his 

>> slickstart module, and he said what is that? Thus, a Mattituck IO540 

>> with 2 slick mags, no EI, and no slickstart module, seems to start 

>> up fine with no issues whatsoever.

>>

>> In the photo of N410RV, I don't see any "extra" wires going to their 

>> left mag, either. I plan to ask Van's about it this week.

>>

>> Jae

>> 40533

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Read this topic online here:

>>

>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325362#325362

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: Slickstart module location

Cost and complexity is why many planes only have a single impulse 

coupler. That is one mechanism prone to failure and subject of several 

ADs. An engine needs something to retard the spark when starting to TDC 

to avoid kickbacks. A retard breaker does this by a second set of 

points, with pulsation to generate sparks created either by a vibrator 

or Slickstart. Impulse coupling does it with a windup spring that 

releases at TDC and decouples above cranking rpm by centrifugal flyweights.

On 1/2/2011 8:50 PM, Jae Chang wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



  Actually, I assumed he had the same Slick mag, with just a retard 

 breaker. I don't know exactly what retard breakers do, but I am 

 familiar with impulse couplers, from the Cessna training days.



 However, I can't remember if most Cessnas have dual or single impulse 

 coupled mags? I would guess single, but now I wonder why? Is there 

 anything wrong with having dual impulse coupled mags, other than extra 

 cost?



 Jae

 40533

_________________
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD

kdbelue(at)charter.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: Slickstart module location

Jae,

The Slickstart's main purpose is to be an electronic replacement for the electromechanical vibrator used with Bendix retard breaker mags, which is necesary because they don't use impulse couplers to start the engine. There is also a version of Slickstart for Slick mags, which helps those start better, but is not necessary. Slickstart works very well, but they quit making the Bendix version several years ago. Since I have Bendix retard mags on my RV-10, I wanted a Slickstart and called everywhere to find one in stock. I finally found one in Canada and bought it. I haven't seen any more. They still make the version for Slick mags.



Kevin Belue



Sent from my iPhone



On Jan 2, 2011, at 6:41 PM, "jchang10" <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Thanks for the replies!

 

 Interestingly, i asked another flying -10 builder, where he put his slickstart module, and he said what is that? Thus, a Mattituck IO540 with 2 slick mags, no EI, and no slickstart module, seems to start up fine with no issues whatsoever.

 

 In the photo of N410RV, I don't see any "extra" wires going to their left mag, either. I plan to ask Van's about it this week.

 

 Jae

 40533

daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:42 am Post subject: Slickstart module location

G3i can take the place of Slick Start.  Mounted mine right of center on the upper firewall.



David Leikam

RV10 

N89DA



On Jan 2, 2011, at 3:09 AM, jchang10 wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 For those of you with the Slickstart module, where did you end up installing it? I already have stuff on the left top of the firewall. The center top of the firewall might interfere with accessing the oil filter. Thus, the right top is seemingly the best choice for me.

 

 Just curious what others have done. Not sure what Van's did on their demo machine either. 

 

 http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/undercowl/P0003082.html

 

 Jae

 40533

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325278#325278

cjay

Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Posts: 53

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: G3i Ignition

David (or anyone else),



Can you share any performance characteristics for the G3i system.  I recall it debated on the list before but largely with somewhat insufficient supportive feedback, at least to my liking.



much regards,



cjay

rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:12 pm Post subject: Slickstart module location

Do a search on VAF, there is a lot of positive feedback going back a few 

months, most of those installers can answer how it has worked out since 

than.

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daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:29 pm Post subject: Slickstart module location

I will be test running my engine in the next week or two. 

I can't comment personally yet.  Those I have spoken with who have the system like it.

Give Thomas a call at G3i.  He is very straight forward on the operation of the system.  A good guy.



David Leikam

RV10 

N89DA



On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:34 PM, cjay wrote:



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 David (or anyone else),

 

 Can you share any performance characteristics for the G3i system.  I recall it debated on the list before but largely with somewhat insufficient supportive feedback, at least to my liking.

 

 much regards,

 

 cjay

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325751#325751

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