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petercowper(at)att.net
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 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:24 am Post subject: Airplane Building Degrees |
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Have any of you had any experience with diploma mills who issue Masters
Degrees for "life experience" and other nonsense? I would like to get a
Masters degree to tuck in between my BA and JD degrees on my resume and
figure my 1,800+ hours so far plus a check ought to be right up their alley.
Pete Cowper (retired - paperboy, Woolworth's luncheonette dish washer, Oil
Company "junior executive" & lawyer)
RV8 #81139 - working on upper fuselage skins over instrument panel mounts
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wpaulin(at)usa.net
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:41 pm Post subject: Airplane Building Degrees |
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Please ... anyone worth his salt, upon finding you are using this con ... will think a lot less of you. Why would you do that to yourself?
Bill
On Mar 26, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Pete Cowper wrote:
Have any of you had any experience with diploma mills who issue Masters
Degrees for "life experience" and other nonsense? I would like to get a
Masters degree to tuck in between my BA and JD degrees on my resume and
figure my 1,800+ hours so far plus a check ought to be right up their alley.
Pete Cowper (retired - paperboy, Woolworth's luncheonette dish washer, Oil
Company "junior executive" & lawyer)
RV8 #81139 - working on upper fuselage skins over instrument panel mounts
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Mitch
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:10 pm Post subject: Airplane Building Degrees |
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Excuse me, as I am always lurking in the background but had to chime in
on your comment Bill. I've seen plenty of educated, uneducated folk,
stripped of their powers of reason and critical thinking with fancy
titles issued by accredited establishments. So what's the difference?
Bottom line --- one must do some research on the individual and make an
informed judgment as to whatever interest you about their capabilities
and/or character.
Thanks,
Mitch Black
On 3/26/2011 4:37 PM, William L. Paulin wrote:
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Please ... anyone worth his salt, upon finding you are using this con ... will think a lot less of you. Why would you do that to yourself?
Bill
On Mar 26, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Pete Cowper wrote:
Have any of you had any experience with diploma mills who issue Masters
Degrees for "life experience" and other nonsense? I would like to get a
Masters degree to tuck in between my BA and JD degrees on my resume and
figure my 1,800+ hours so far plus a check ought to be right up their alley.
Pete Cowper (retired - paperboy, Woolworth's luncheonette dish washer, Oil
Company "junior executive"& lawyer)
RV8 #81139 - working on upper fuselage skins over instrument panel mounts
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wpaulin(at)usa.net
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:35 pm Post subject: Airplane Building Degrees |
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When someone says they want to fake it (a mill, whether you like our academic institutions or not [I generally don't ... got out of them years ago], is faking it ... unless they put "purchased for $xx and given for life experience" on the diploma), has done the research on himself. Why do more?
Bill
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William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)usa.net
On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Mitch Black wrote:
Excuse me, as I am always lurking in the background but had to chime in on your comment Bill. I've seen plenty of educated, uneducated folk, stripped of their powers of reason and critical thinking with fancy titles issued by accredited establishments. So what's the difference? Bottom line --- one must do some research on the individual and make an informed judgment as to whatever interest you about their capabilities and/or character.
Thanks,
Mitch Black
On 3/26/2011 4:37 PM, William L. Paulin wrote:
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Please ... anyone worth his salt, upon finding you are using this con ... will think a lot less of you. Why would you do that to yourself?
Bill
On Mar 26, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Pete Cowper wrote:
Have any of you had any experience with diploma mills who issue Masters
Degrees for "life experience" and other nonsense? I would like to get a
Masters degree to tuck in between my BA and JD degrees on my resume and
figure my 1,800+ hours so far plus a check ought to be right up their alley.
Pete Cowper (retired - paperboy, Woolworth's luncheonette dish washer, Oil
Company "junior executive"& lawyer)
RV8 #81139 - working on upper fuselage skins over instrument panel mounts
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Mitch
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject: Airplane Building Degrees |
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The general purpose of the "diploma mills" certainly seems to be faking
it. I am in total agreement that presenting yourself to be something
one isn't, is a good indication of poor character. I think that many
post grads today are in a very real sense faking it just as if they went
out and purchased their diploma. Seems to me that academe has moved its
emphasis to successful completion of tests and strengthening of ones
mind by improving cognitive skills are left to the dust bin. ---- So,
now we are beset with grads who excel at memorization. Great Jeopardy
contestants, no doubt.
Of course I am making generalizations here, so I don't want to exclude
exceptions to my jaded, prejudiced opinion. haha!
Mitch Black
On 3/26/2011 5:31 PM, William L. Paulin wrote:
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When someone says they want to fake it (a mill, whether you like our academic institutions or not [I generally don't ... got out of them years ago], is faking it ... unless they put "purchased for $xx and given for life experience" on the diploma), has done the research on himself. Why do more?
Bill
**********************************
William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)usa.net
On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Mitch Black wrote:
Excuse me, as I am always lurking in the background but had to chime in on your comment Bill. I've seen plenty of educated, uneducated folk, stripped of their powers of reason and critical thinking with fancy titles issued by accredited establishments. So what's the difference? Bottom line --- one must do some research on the individual and make an informed judgment as to whatever interest you about their capabilities and/or character.
Thanks,
Mitch Black
On 3/26/2011 4:37 PM, William L. Paulin wrote:
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> Please ... anyone worth his salt, upon finding you are using this con ... will think a lot less of you. Why would you do that to yourself?
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> On Mar 26, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Pete Cowper wrote:
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> Have any of you had any experience with diploma mills who issue Masters
> Degrees for "life experience" and other nonsense? I would like to get a
> Masters degree to tuck in between my BA and JD degrees on my resume and
> figure my 1,800+ hours so far plus a check ought to be right up their alley.
> Pete Cowper (retired - paperboy, Woolworth's luncheonette dish washer, Oil
> Company "junior executive"& lawyer)
> RV8 #81139 - working on upper fuselage skins over instrument panel mounts
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wpaulin(at)usa.net
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:30 pm Post subject: Airplane Building Degrees |
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I left academe years ago because I was interested in: 1. knowing my subject (engineering & business) and 2. teaching, in that order. I was less interested in publication of statistical from a distance observations ... which is really the only way to get promoted in most major universities. So I went into business ... and now have learned enough so that my publications might be useful to the business community. But it is too late for that.
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William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
PaulinNeal Associates
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)paulinneal.com
On Mar 26, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Mitch Black wrote:
The general purpose of the "diploma mills" certainly seems to be faking it. I am in total agreement that presenting yourself to be something one isn't, is a good indication of poor character. I think that many post grads today are in a very real sense faking it just as if they went out and purchased their diploma. Seems to me that academe has moved its emphasis to successful completion of tests and strengthening of ones mind by improving cognitive skills are left to the dust bin. ---- So, now we are beset with grads who excel at memorization. Great Jeopardy contestants, no doubt.
Of course I am making generalizations here, so I don't want to exclude exceptions to my jaded, prejudiced opinion. haha!
Mitch Black
On 3/26/2011 5:31 PM, William L. Paulin wrote:
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When someone says they want to fake it (a mill, whether you like our academic institutions or not [I generally don't ... got out of them years ago], is faking it ... unless they put "purchased for $xx and given for life experience" on the diploma), has done the research on himself. Why do more?
Bill
**********************************
William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
1575 South Forest Drive
Prescott, AZ 86303
Cell +1 858 722 2905
Office +1 760 720 2905
Europe +358 40 720 4047
wpaulin(at)usa.net
On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Mitch Black wrote:
Excuse me, as I am always lurking in the background but had to chime in on your comment Bill. I've seen plenty of educated, uneducated folk, stripped of their powers of reason and critical thinking with fancy titles issued by accredited establishments. So what's the difference? Bottom line --- one must do some research on the individual and make an informed judgment as to whatever interest you about their capabilities and/or character.
Thanks,
Mitch Black
On 3/26/2011 4:37 PM, William L. Paulin wrote:
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> Please ... anyone worth his salt, upon finding you are using this con ... will think a lot less of you. Why would you do that to yourself?
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> Have any of you had any experience with diploma mills who issue Masters
> Degrees for "life experience" and other nonsense? I would like to get a
> Masters degree to tuck in between my BA and JD degrees on my resume and
> figure my 1,800+ hours so far plus a check ought to be right up their alley.
> Pete Cowper (retired - paperboy, Woolworth's luncheonette dish washer, Oil
> Company "junior executive"& lawyer)
> RV8 #81139 - working on upper fuselage skins over instrument panel mounts
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petercowper(at)att.net
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:45 am Post subject: Airplane Building Degrees |
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"...presenting yourself to be something one isn't, is a good indication of
poor character."
Okay, okay, hold off on the character assassination . . . most would say as
an attorney retired from a long career in the courts of criminal, divorce,
and personal injury claims my "character" has already been tainted.
I shall narrow my search for a mail-order degree to a Masters in Engineering
so as to have some semblance of experience in my field. As I am pretty much
retired at age 63 and only keeping my bar card current in hopes of a
lucrative government position, I will probably not be using my "new" Masters
for more than idle cocktail party chatter.
Pete Cowper
RV8 #81139 (fabricating wedge shaped fillers to fill the gap on either side
between the side skins and the instrument panel mounts above the upper
longerons)
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Mitch
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: Airplane Building Degrees |
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Pete,
When I complete my Barracuda I am definitely applying for SOME type of
degree. I mean damn! This figuring out how to cut and glue all these
wood pieces together ought to be worth something more than just a flying
aircraft! --- I give myself two more years. Yeah!
Mitch
On 3/27/2011 12:09 PM, Pete Cowper wrote:
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"...presenting yourself to be something one isn't, is a good indication of
poor character."
Okay, okay, hold off on the character assassination . . . most would say as
an attorney retired from a long career in the courts of criminal, divorce,
and personal injury claims my "character" has already been tainted.
I shall narrow my search for a mail-order degree to a Masters in Engineering
so as to have some semblance of experience in my field. As I am pretty much
retired at age 63 and only keeping my bar card current in hopes of a
lucrative government position, I will probably not be using my "new" Masters
for more than idle cocktail party chatter.
Pete Cowper
RV8 #81139 (fabricating wedge shaped fillers to fill the gap on either side
between the side skins and the instrument panel mounts above the upper
longerons)
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petercowper(at)ATT.NET
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:38 am Post subject: Airplane Building Degrees |
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Okay fellow builders, I think I am going to get serious about this. If I
start my own University to award Doctor of Engineering degrees online to RV
builders, let's see . . . how many do I have to sell at $49.99 to pay myself
for the 1,800+ hours I have spent so far on my project?
I have been a Mensa member for years which should make me Chancellor of my
new University and if I enter the field of education with my JD degree all
my friends will have to start calling me Dr. Cowper for the rest of my life.
Yeah, I'm in now . . .
Pete Cowper
(ending this thread right now)
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