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AirMike
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I have a I-Pad2 3G (ATT) unit and I do not quite understand the GPS functions of the machine. I have not yet subscribed to ATT 3G service, but intend to do so in a a month or so.
Do I need to buy the Bad Elf unit to exploit the GPS capabilities on land and in the air or will it do fine in the US without Bad elf.
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jkreidler
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:21 am Post subject: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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The internal GPS works fine for on road or in flight use. You do not have to have a data subscription to use the GPS you only have to ignore the pop up that keeps asking you if you want to add a data subscription. One little detail, if you turn on airplane mode the GPS also gets turned off. You want to turn off wifi and cellular data separately, then the GPS still works.
This is not to say that the built in GPS is great, I am sure the external receivers are better. But we have been flying with only the internal GPS for almost a year now and find the accuracy and lock to be just fine.
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:40 am Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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It will work fine. For me it was pretty good. The chipset in my ipad 2 verizon version is different I believe and that one worked excellent for me on a trip I just got back on. My AT&T ipad 1 wasn't quite as good and quick to acquire but it worked ok. The bad elf stuff would make it even quicker, if you want the extra bump sticking out to bang around. I don't. The jailbreak isn't out for ipad 2 yet so the jailbreak and bluetooth method i used on my old ipad isn't an option on that one yet. But my verizon ipad 2 worked fine with the internal GPS on my trip to the Baja of over 4000miles and it didn't let mr down once.....so I don't think I'll even do anything different there.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 1:25 AM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> wrote:
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I have a I-Pad2 3G (ATT) unit and I do not quite understand the GPS functions of the machine. I have not yet subscribed to ATT 3G service, but intend to do so in a a month or so.
Do I need to buy the Bad Elf unit to exploit the GPS capabilities on land and in the air or will it do fine in the US without Bad elf.
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Tim Olson
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Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works good.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 6:21 AM, "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com> wrote:
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The internal GPS works fine for on road or in flight use. You do not have to have a data subscription to use the GPS you only have to ignore the pop up that keeps asking you if you want to add a data subscription. One little detail, if you turn on airplane mode the GPS also gets turned off. You want to turn off wifi and cellular data separately, then the GPS still works.
This is not to say that the built in GPS is great, I am sure the external receivers are better. But we have been flying with only the internal GPS for almost a year now and find the accuracy and lock to be just fine.
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4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
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amekler
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:07 am Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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Tim,
I flew with my Ipad2 for the first time yesterday on a kneeboard. It was a
bright sunny day. I had trouble reading it. Any suggestions?
Alan
Ps. Would like to hear more about your Baha trip
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:51 am Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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I use the brando anti-glare screen protector. They come from china but are the only one I really found that I like. Also, turn the brightness all the way up. With those 2 things it was working well for me over the southwest on bright sunny days. It's better than my motion le1600 tablet with viewanywhere.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 8:04 AM, "Alan Mekler" <amekler(at)metrocast.net> wrote:
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I flew with my Ipad2 for the first time yesterday on a kneeboard. It was a
bright sunny day. I had trouble reading it. Any suggestions?
Alan
Ps. Would like to hear more about your Baha trip
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
internal?
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Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works good.
Tim
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:51 am Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thing that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't something I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <[url=mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com]apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)[/url]> wrote:
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> How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
> improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
> much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
> internal?
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> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]> wrote:
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> > Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works good.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:24 am Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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To avoid the annoying subscription requests from your carrier on a 3G iPad 2 I went to Settings > Cellular Data > Off and have not had a subscription request prompt since.
I also own the Bad Elf for my iPad 1 and the iPad 2 (Verizon) version seems to be good enough for me to not want to use the Bad Elf with the new iPad.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
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Subject: Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thing that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't something I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
> much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:49 am Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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My first flight with the iPad2 was a 400 mile round trip over two days. Running Foreflight my altitude was within 10ft, and ground speed within 1kt of my Garmin 430W. It’s the Verizon version using only the internal gps. I was amazed at the accuracy. But I’m not shooting IFR approaches.
Here’s a fun test. Install Google Earth on your iPad2. Zoom in on your current location. Then walk around your house.
Bobby Hughes
N416AS
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Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:46 AM
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Subject: Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thing that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't something I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" < (apilot2(at)gmail.com)apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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> How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
> improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
> much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
> internal?
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> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson < (Tim(at)myrv10.com)Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
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> > Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works good.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:46 pm Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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Sounds like the new version has significantly better GPS engine than
the original.
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Bobby J. Hughes <bhughes(at)qnsi.net> wrote:
| Quote: | My first flight with the iPad2 was a 400 mile round trip over two days.
Running Foreflight my altitude was within 10ft, and ground speed within 1kt
of my Garmin 430W. It’s the Verizon version using only the internal gps. I
was amazed at the accuracy. But I’m not shooting IFR approaches.
Here’s a fun test. Install Google Earth on your iPad2. Zoom in on your
current location. Then walk around your house.
Bobby Hughes
N416AS
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To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thing
that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't something
I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual
altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off
using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical
approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> wrote:
My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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> How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
> improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
> much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
> internal?
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> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
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> > Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T or
> > verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it in
> > full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip
> > was separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works
> > good.
> > Tim
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Tim Olson
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Actually, in digging to find out what chipset they used on
the new iPad2's, it looks like BOTH the Verizon and AT&T
should be in better shape than previous iPhone/iPad models.
It looks like both iPad 2's, got new chipsets for GPS.
Here are a few links and a little info grabbed from them:
iPad 2 3G teardown proves ties to iPhone 4 design, upgrades
** The EVDO-based 3G version is near identical to the Verizon iPhone 4 and
has the same dual-mode Qualcomm MDM6600 chipset. The MDM6600 is a
GSM/UMTS/HSPA+/EV-DO multi-mode processor.
** The HSPA-based 3G version for AT&T and the world is using an Infineon
337S3833 baseband chip to get online but has upgraded to a newer Broadcom
BCM4751 for the GPS chipset
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/03/30/ipad.2.3g.torn.down.by.ifixit/
http://wirelesse2e.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/iphone-cdma-and-ipad-2-no-obvious-path-for-lte/
The GPS in the iPad is part of the 3G chipset. That does not mean it isn't
a true GPS. Assisted GPS means that you have a 'real' GPS that has other
services associated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
iPhone 5 will be a world-phone using Qualcomm MDM6600. Even though Apple
prefers not to change its proven designs frequently, MDM6600 is simply
superior to legacy Infineon baseband processor and it simplifies GPS
implementation.
So you're likely to be better off with GPS in any 3G version of iPad 2,
than you are with iPad 1, or with iPhones prior to iPhone 4. The MDM6600
chipset may be why the Verizon ones are really pretty good with the GPS
acquisition and accuracy. And I'm sure that Apple wouldn't have moved to
the Broadcom BCM4751 for the AT&T version unless it provided something
better too.
Tim
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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Just a reminder to all that gps altitude (True altitude) and our barometric altimeter will not agree, except on the ground or on a "standard day" (which of course almost never exists).
I find it interesting to see by how much they can sometimes differ. It's a reminder to give oneself a good cushion if using baro altitude for terrain avoidance.
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Tim Olson
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Or, if you're using baro vnav, make sure you always check and use the current altimeter setting. Been done that way for years. And, get get regular required pitot static tests for ifr flight, and, and verify your plane's static error so that your airspeed reads correct and your altimeter does too. When it comes to gps, I'd only trust one that's made for ifr use to be fast enough to provide the altitude accuracy for an approach.
Tim
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Just a reminder to all that gps altitude (True altitude) and our barometric altimeter will not agree, except on the ground or on a "standard day" (which of course almost never exists).
I find it interesting to see by how much they can sometimes differ. It's a reminder to give oneself a good cushion if using baro altitude for terrain avoidance.
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Slightly different question for the external iPad GPS options. I bought an iPad 2 but non-3G as I really didn't need the 3G and the previous iPad reports indicated an external GPS would be better. Looks like I should have gone 3G, but water under the bridge so the question now is to go with the Bad Elf or the other approved model that links via Bluetooth? My plan was the non-plug-in kind so I could set the GPS on the dash. My Garmin 496 occasionally loses the GPS signal when I have it sitting on the tunnel and I suspected the iPad laying on my lap or mounted on the tunnel would have the same issue with the Bad Elf.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Marcus
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On Apr 10, 2011, at 7:21 AM, jkreidler wrote:
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The internal GPS works fine for on road or in flight use. You do not have to have a data subscription to use the GPS you only have to ignore the pop up that keeps asking you if you want to add a data subscription. One little detail, if you turn on airplane mode the GPS also gets turned off. You want to turn off wifi and cellular data separately, then the GPS still works.
This is not to say that the built in GPS is great, I am sure the external receivers are better. But we have been flying with only the internal GPS for almost a year now and find the accuracy and lock to be just fine.
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Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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I rode from near Nashville to Tampa to Pensacola back to near BNA with the iPad and Bad Elf sitting in my lap last week. Never lost lock. Also works from the middle seat 27 rows back in B737s. Aisle seat it gets a bit sketchy
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Kelly McMullen
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The GNS after a certain serial number and the Bad Elf are both WAAS.
Depends on how you feel about wired/hard connection vs bluetooth where
GPS can be placed in most favorable window.
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Marcus Cooper <coop85(at)verizon.net> wrote:
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Slightly different question for the external iPad GPS options. I bought an iPad 2 but non-3G as I really didn't need the 3G and the previous iPad reports indicated an external GPS would be better. Looks like I should have gone 3G, but water under the bridge so the question now is to go with the Bad Elf or the other approved model that links via Bluetooth? My plan was the non-plug-in kind so I could set the GPS on the dash. My Garmin 496 occasionally loses the GPS signal when I have it sitting on the tunnel and I suspected the iPad laying on my lap or mounted on the tunnel would have the same issue with the Bad Elf.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Marcus
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On Apr 10, 2011, at 7:21 AM, jkreidler wrote:
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> This is not to say that the built in GPS is great, I am sure the external receivers are better. But we have been flying with only the internal GPS for almost a year now and find the accuracy and lock to be just fine.
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> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:37 pm Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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The way I use and handle my iPad, I would be afraid of breaking the Bad Elf. I am jailbroken, so I use a Holux GPS that I put up on the glare shield and it works extremely well. I wouldn't want something attached to the iPad, but that's just me.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Apr 12, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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The GNS after a certain serial number and the Bad Elf are both WAAS.
Depends on how you feel about wired/hard connection vs bluetooth where
GPS can be placed in most favorable window.
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Marcus Cooper <coop85(at)verizon.net> wrote:
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> Slightly different question for the external iPad GPS options. I bought an iPad 2 but non-3G as I really didn't need the 3G and the previous iPad reports indicated an external GPS would be better. Looks like I should have gone 3G, but water under the bridge so the question now is to go with the Bad Elf or the other approved model that links via Bluetooth? My plan was the non-plug-in kind so I could set the GPS on the dash. My Garmin 496 occasionally loses the GPS signal when I have it sitting on the tunnel and I suspected the iPad laying on my lap or mounted on the tunnel would have the same issue with the Bad Elf.
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:24 pm Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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I'd agree with what Jesse said. My preference order
would probably be something like:
Jailbroken iPad with Bluetooth GPS (not available yet on iPad2)
Built-in iPad2 GPS (Verizon)
Built-in Ipad2 GPS (AT&T)
GNS GPS
Bad Elf GPS
This isn't because of ease of use, but more because the last
thing I want is something plugged in all the time to bang
around. Also, I have 2A usb chargers in the plane, and it
would be nice to be able to charge the iPad when you want to
and not have the dock port used.
Personally, I've given the iPad 1 over to the kids for basically
movie use in flight, so even though I have a Jailbroken iPad 1,
that works great with Bluetooth (I've used both Roqy-BT and
BTStack GPS and both work fine), I've decided to just use
the built-in iPad 2 GPS for the time being. Once I can jailbreak
it again, I'll probably still use the built-in, because it
works real well. If I had to actually rely on it for
something really really critical, I'd consider using the
Bluetooth in that situation. But I don't think I'll bother
with the others. If I had a non-3G version, I would use
the GNS, because it would be wire-free.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 4/12/2011 4:34 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
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The way I use and handle my iPad, I would be afraid of breaking the Bad Elf. I am jailbroken, so I use a Holux GPS that I put up on the glare shield and it works extremely well. I wouldn't want something attached to the iPad, but that's just me.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Apr 12, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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> The GNS after a certain serial number and the Bad Elf are both WAAS.
> Depends on how you feel about wired/hard connection vs bluetooth where
> GPS can be placed in most favorable window.
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> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Marcus Cooper<coop85(at)verizon.net> wrote:
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>> Slightly different question for the external iPad GPS options. I bought an iPad 2 but non-3G as I really didn't need the 3G and the previous iPad reports indicated an external GPS would be better. Looks like I should have gone 3G, but water under the bridge so the question now is to go with the Bad Elf or the other approved model that links via Bluetooth? My plan was the non-plug-in kind so I could set the GPS on the dash. My Garmin 496 occasionally loses the GPS signal when I have it sitting on the tunnel and I suspected the iPad laying on my lap or mounted on the tunnel would have the same issue with the Bad Elf.
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>> Any thoughts?
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>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>> 40286
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>> On Apr 10, 2011, at 7:21 AM, jkreidler wrote:
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>>> This is not to say that the built in GPS is great, I am sure the external receivers are better. But we have been flying with only the internal GPS for almost a year now and find the accuracy and lock to be just fine.
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>>> Jason Kreidler
>>> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
>>> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
>>> N44YH - Flying - #40617
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coop85(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:35 pm Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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Thanks for all the great responses as usual! I was leaning toward the GNS and this pretty well seals the deal.
Thanks again,
Marcus
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On Apr 12, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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I'd agree with what Jesse said. My preference order
would probably be something like:
Jailbroken iPad with Bluetooth GPS (not available yet on iPad2)
Built-in iPad2 GPS (Verizon)
Built-in Ipad2 GPS (AT&T)
GNS GPS
Bad Elf GPS
This isn't because of ease of use, but more because the last
thing I want is something plugged in all the time to bang
around. Also, I have 2A usb chargers in the plane, and it
would be nice to be able to charge the iPad when you want to
and not have the dock port used.
Personally, I've given the iPad 1 over to the kids for basically
movie use in flight, so even though I have a Jailbroken iPad 1,
that works great with Bluetooth (I've used both Roqy-BT and
BTStack GPS and both work fine), I've decided to just use
the built-in iPad 2 GPS for the time being. Once I can jailbreak
it again, I'll probably still use the built-in, because it
works real well. If I had to actually rely on it for
something really really critical, I'd consider using the
Bluetooth in that situation. But I don't think I'll bother
with the others. If I had a non-3G version, I would use
the GNS, because it would be wire-free.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 4/12/2011 4:34 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
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> The way I use and handle my iPad, I would be afraid of breaking the Bad Elf. I am jailbroken, so I use a Holux GPS that I put up on the glare shield and it works extremely well. I wouldn't want something attached to the iPad, but that's just me.
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> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
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> On Apr 12, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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>> The GNS after a certain serial number and the Bad Elf are both WAAS.
>> Depends on how you feel about wired/hard connection vs bluetooth where
>> GPS can be placed in most favorable window.
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>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Marcus Cooper<coop85(at)verizon.net> wrote:
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>>> Slightly different question for the external iPad GPS options. I bought an iPad 2 but non-3G as I really didn't need the 3G and the previous iPad reports indicated an external GPS would be better. Looks like I should have gone 3G, but water under the bridge so the question now is to go with the Bad Elf or the other approved model that links via Bluetooth? My plan was the non-plug-in kind so I could set the GPS on the dash. My Garmin 496 occasionally loses the GPS signal when I have it sitting on the tunnel and I suspected the iPad laying on my lap or mounted on the tunnel would have the same issue with the Bad Elf.
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>>> Any thoughts?
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>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>>> 40286
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>>> do not archive
>>> On Apr 10, 2011, at 7:21 AM, jkreidler wrote:
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>>>> The internal GPS works fine for on road or in flight use. You do not have to have a data subscription to use the GPS you only have to ignore the pop up that keeps asking you if you want to add a data subscription. One little detail, if you turn on airplane mode the GPS also gets turned off. You want to turn off wifi and cellular data separately, then the GPS still works.
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>>>> This is not to say that the built in GPS is great, I am sure the external receivers are better. But we have been flying with only the internal GPS for almost a year now and find the accuracy and lock to be just fine.
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>>>> Jason Kreidler
>>>> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
>>>> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
>>>> N44YH - Flying - #40617
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