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PFolbrecht(at)starkinvest
Guest

Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

A&P is making me replace the belts on my '79 152 now in annual because =

the data plates are missing.  The plates on the belts, that is.  Perhaps =

I'm quite na=EFve, but I wasn't aware of such a thing, and in any case =

the previous two annuals I've done on this aircraft caused no such =

complaints, and the last one was at the same shop!  (Different head =

mechanic now, though.)



This is over $300 plus labor.  What next?  I had a $4K annual last year =

on this $25K aircraft and am looking at the same kind of bill again this =

year!  All for mostly "little" stuff that just adds up like crazy - no =

motor work.  I can't wait to own an experimental!



Rant off.  Do not archive!

mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:37 pm Post subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

As much as it may sem silly, your mechanic is correct.  The TSO/ID tag must 

be on the seat belt or the belt can't be used.  One way to save some maney 

is to have the belts re-webbed by someone, beltmasters is one such.  They 

keep the metal parts, condition acceptable, and put on new webbing and their 

own TSO/ID tag.



Mike Robertson



 	  Quote: 	
		  From: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht(at)starkinvestments.com>

Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:55:11 -0500




<PFolbrecht(at)starkinvestments.com>



A&P is making me replace the belts on my '79 152 now in annual because =

the data plates are missing.  The plates on the belts, that is.  Perhaps =

I'm quite na=EFve, but I wasn't aware of such a thing, and in any case =

the previous two annuals I've done on this aircraft caused no such =

complaints, and the last one was at the same shop!  (Different head =

mechanic now, though.)



This is over $300 plus labor.  What next?  I had a $4K annual last year =

on this $25K aircraft and am looking at the same kind of bill again this =

year!  All for mostly "little" stuff that just adds up like crazy - no =

motor work.  I can't wait to own an experimental!



Rant off.  Do not archive!

PFolbrecht(at)starkinvest
Guest

Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

Thanks a lot.  They didn't offer that option.  Gotta be cheaper than new

belts.  I'll look into it.



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paulmike(at)parashak.net
Guest

Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

An authorized person can perform preventative maintenance and this is 

listed as one.



Sec A43.1.(c)(14): Replacing safety belts.



from here:  ( faa.gov / Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library )  

http://tinyurl.com/otcep



Regards, Paul



On May 10, 2006, at 17:35, Mike Robertson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>



 As much as it may sem silly, your mechanic is correct.  The TSO/ID tag 

 must

 be on the seat belt or the belt can't be used.  One way to save some 

 maney

 is to have the belts re-webbed by someone, beltmasters is one such.  

 They

 keep the metal parts, condition acceptable, and put on new webbing and 

 their

 own TSO/ID tag.



 Mike Robertson



> From: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht(at)starkinvestments.com>

> Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

> To: <rv-list(at)matronics.com>

> Subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:55:11 -0500

>

> 

> <PFolbrecht(at)starkinvestments.com>

>

> A&P is making me replace the belts on my '79 152 now in annual 

> because =

> the data plates are missing.  The plates on the belts, that is.  

> Perhaps =

> I'm quite na=EFve, but I wasn't aware of such a thing, and in any 

> case =

> the previous two annuals I've done on this aircraft caused no such =

> complaints, and the last one was at the same shop!  (Different head =

> mechanic now, though.)

>

> This is over $300 plus labor.  What next?  I had a $4K annual last 

> year =

> on this $25K aircraft and am looking at the same kind of bill again 

> this =

> year!  All for mostly "little" stuff that just adds up like crazy - 

> no =

> motor work.  I can't wait to own an experimental!

>

> Rant off.  Do not archive!

>

>

Jerry Grimmonpre'

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 144
Location: Huntley, Illinois 60142

Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

Paul ...

If you are close to Northern IL call Midwest Flight Check based at The 

Landings airport Huntley Illinois.  I don't know the ID for the airport. 

Midwest's # is 847-669-3515.  It's operated by my son and two others in 

partnership.  You may talk to Gary, Scott or Gregg.  Gary, my son, and Gregg 

are United mechanics with inspector authority.  They are reasonable and do 

responsible work.  You won't be disappointed .... no rip-offs there.

Regards ...

Jerry Grimmonpre'

RV8A  Huntley IL

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mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

But the problem here is the TSO/ID tag.  Only a manufacturer or STC holder 

may install, or cause to install, the TSO/ID tag.  If that is missing you 

are out of luck.  Besides, the reference you give is only for the 

replacement of the seat belts under PM, not the repair.



Mike Robertson

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Paul Parashak <paulmike(at)parashak.net>

Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:41:18 -0400






An authorized person can perform preventative maintenance and this is

listed as one.



Sec A43.1.(c)(14): Replacing safety belts.



from here:  ( faa.gov / Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library )

http://tinyurl.com/otcep



Regards, Paul



On May 10, 2006, at 17:35, Mike Robertson wrote:



 > 

 > <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>

 >

 > As much as it may sem silly, your mechanic is correct.  The TSO/ID tag

 > must

 > be on the seat belt or the belt can't be used.  One way to save some

 > maney

 > is to have the belts re-webbed by someone, beltmasters is one such.

 > They

 > keep the metal parts, condition acceptable, and put on new webbing and

 > their

 > own TSO/ID tag.

 >

 > Mike Robertson

 >

 >> From: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht(at)starkinvestments.com>

 >> Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

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 >> Subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

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 >> A&P is making me replace the belts on my '79 152 now in annual

 >> because =

 >> the data plates are missing.  The plates on the belts, that is.

 >> Perhaps =

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 >> the previous two annuals I've done on this aircraft caused no such =

 >> complaints, and the last one was at the same shop!  (Different head =

 >> mechanic now, though.)

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 >> on this $25K aircraft and am looking at the same kind of bill again

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 >> year!  All for mostly "little" stuff that just adds up like crazy -

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PFolbrecht(at)starkinvest
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

Thanks for all the replies on this.  Mechanic says that re-webbing is

NOT an option because that requires valid belts to start with, and these

are not.  They are some bogus belts installed back who knows when.  Of

course, they are in perfect shape and completely sturdy and safe.  



Oh well, another $400 gone.



Do not archive



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Bruce(at)glasair.org
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

Your mechanic is full of BS. Remove the belts yourself, send them out for

rewebing, hand then to him to reinstall. If he won't do it, pull the

airplane and have him sign it off with a squawk list.



Bruce

www.glasair.org

 



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PFolbrecht(at)starkinvest
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

The re-webbing people also told me they cannot reweb belts that don't

have data tags...



A complication is I'm off to Europe for two weeks tomorrow.  I would

like the airplane flyable when I get back, and have no time to take care

of this myself.  But it doesn't seem there are any real options anyway,

other than shopping the belts myself, which isn't like to save much, if

anything.



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lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

I sugest you contact Schroth Aircraft seatbelts and order a set, pay for then yourself, have them sent to the mech, and have you mech install them.  Save the mark-up and COD cost.  

  I will often pre-buy tires, exhaust pipes, etc. prior to the annual.  This saves  money, saves the A&P time, indicates to the A&P that you are serious about maintining you aircraft, and are aware of the condition. 

  Could it be that this is a money making item known to an experianced A&P?



"Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht(at)starkinvestments.com> wrote:

    

The re-webbing people also told me they cannot reweb belts that don't

have data tags...



A complication is I'm off to Europe for two weeks tomorrow. I would

like the airplane flyable when I get back, and have no time to take care

of this myself. But it doesn't seem there are any real options anyway,

other than shopping the belts myself, which isn't like to save much, if

anything.

   

  Do not archive



Sherman Butler

RV-7a Wings

Idaho Falls

		

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

Paul ..... check with the seat-belt reweb company.  Old seatbelts didn't 

have the cert label.  The FAA made it an issue since there wasn't any 

TRACEABILITY of the belts ...... and could be from a car .......

However, the reweb folks DO use the hardware and DO put their cert label 

on their rewebbed belts.  You need to get another mechanic.

Linn



Folbrecht, Paul wrote:



[quote]



Thanks for all the replies on this.  Mechanic says that re-webbing is

NOT an option because that requires valid belts to start with, and these

are not.  They are some bogus belts installed back who knows when.  Of

course, they are in perfect shape and completely sturdy and safe.  



Oh well, another $400 gone.



Do not archive



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sisson(at)consolidated.ne
Guest

Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates

do not archive



Why don't you buy some new legal ones and replace them yourself? Part 

43, appendix A, (C), 14 will allow you  do this and all other preventive 

maintenace which is specifically listed there. This would save you the 

labor and you can shop for some good seatbelts.  Call Wentworth and talk 

to them about some good pullouts with tags...



Just an idea,  Phil in Illinois



Folbrecht, Paul wrote:



[quote]



Thanks for all the replies on this.  Mechanic says that re-webbing is

NOT an option because that requires valid belts to start with, and these

are not.  They are some bogus belts installed back who knows when.  Of

course, they are in perfect shape and completely sturdy and safe.  



Oh well, another $400 gone.



Do not archive



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