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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: Board Soldering: Overheating and Cleaning?

At 07:49 PM 5/17/2011, you wrote:

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Hi!



I think I'd like to solder wires to the back of my transponder 

board. Using the supplied edge card connector housing, I couldn't 

get the contacts to lock into place. Instead, they'd move around 

inside the housing. I figure I could cut these contacts off the ends 

and solder the 24 awg wires directly to the board.


	


    Before you solder wires to the board, how many

    pins (ecb tabs) are on this connector. I presume

    also that they are .156" spacing on centers of

    the tabs (that was a common standard way back when).



    There might be a better way.

   Bob . . .

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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject: Board Soldering: Overheating and Cleaning?

At 07:49 PM 5/17/2011, you wrote:

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 Hi!



 I think I'd like to solder wires to the back of my transponder board. Using the supplied edge card connector housing, I couldn't get the contacts to lock into place. Instead, they'd move around inside the housing. I figure I could cut these contacts off the ends and solder the 24 awg wires directly to the board. 	


    Before you solder wires to the board, how many

    pins (ecb tabs) are on this connector. I presume

    also that they are .156" spacing on centers of

    the tabs (that was a common standard way back when).



    There might be a better way. I'm assuming you've got

    12 upper and lower ECB tabs on a 1/16" thick board.



 [img]cid:7.1.0.9.0.20110518014123.01db35d0(at)aeroelectric.com.0[/img] 



 

    Here's an AutoCAD plot that shows the alignment

    (or lack thereof) for .156" ecb tabs and a 37-pin

    d-sub connector.



    You might be able to use a 37-pint, solder-cup connector

    slid over the edge of the board. Note that every

    ECB tab has at least ONE d-sub pin in a position

    to be soldered to the tabs. There are a few d-sub

    pins that fall between the ecb tabs and should

    probably be totally removed from the d-sub connector

    so as to reduce potential for shorting between ecb

    tabs.



    You might just luck out and have a relatively easy

    transition from the ECB tabs to the very user friendly

    d-sub technology.



    Bob . . .



 



 



 

   Bob . . .

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rjquillin

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:00 am Post subject: Board Soldering: Overheating and Cleaning?

At 15:49 5/17/2011, you wrote:

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Hi!



I think I'd like to solder wires to the back of my transponder board. <snip>

I've never soldered to a board, but imagine it's easier than the 

cramped solder cups I've already done. Main questions are heat and 

cleaning. I've got a 30W iron. How long can I leave a tinned tip on 

the board before being concerned with overheating?



I also read a little about cleaning the board after soldering, cuz 

of the flux. I'm using Kester 44 resin core. Should I wipe the board 

with rubbing alcohol after I'm done?



Suggestions appreciated.


	


There is an excellent guide to soldered electrical connections from 

NASA I sent to Bob a couple yeas back and he archived.  Not sure of 

the exact name it's stored as, but look for something like NASA 

STD-8739.3.  I find it difficult to imagine a hand soldering question 

not addressed in that document, unless it pertains to SMD components.



Ethanol or Isopropyl are both accepted cleaners for common RMA fluxes.



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		  Are the edge connector fingers gold plated? If so, it's doubtful 

you'll even need flux.

When soldering to gold, NASA requires multiple 'tinning' operations 
	


to remove the gold to prevent embrittlement of the joint.



Another commonly overlooked issue is moisture in the board, that, 

when heated, turns to steam and causes delamination and bubbles; a 

few hours in a warm to medium oven dries out the board.

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:10 am Post subject: Board Soldering: Overheating and Cleaning?

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		  > There might be a better way. I'm assuming you've got 

 > 12 upper and lower ECB tabs on a 1/16" thick board. 

 > 



 

 Thanks, Bob, except I've got 15 tabs on the bottom 3 or 4 on the top. At this point, since I've got all the pieces to do the direct soldering and D-Sub 15 connections, I'm leaning in that direction. Soldering the male pins to the board wouldn't be very easy either, since the metal shell would protect the pins from the solder tip. But if there was room to maneuver, it would make for a slick connection, all right. 	


   You got it backwards. What I proposed was converting

   your card-edge male to a d-sub by soldering the wire-cups

   of the connector to the tabs. Here is an example of a product

   that uses solder-cup d-subs to bring the connections

   off an ECB.



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    Like so.



 

   Bob . . .

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messydeer

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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 6:16 am Post subject: Re: Board Soldering: Overheating and Cleaning?

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		  You got it backwards 	




Doh! 

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		  There is an excellent guide to soldered electrical connections from 

NASA 	




Thanks! Here's a link I found:



http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/codeq/doctree/NS87393.pdf

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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Board Soldering: Overheating and Cleaning?

Yesterday I soldered the wires to the transponder board leaving them about 6" long, which I soldered to a female dsub 15. Also made up the mating male dsub. At first I tinned the board and wire ends then came back with the iron with a minimal bead of solder on the tip. It took only a couple seconds to solder them. I found it was difficult coming back to put more solder after this initial soldering to make a nice little mound over the wire. I found it worked better for me to put that extra solder on first, during the board tinning, so I wouldn't have to come back a second time. I scrubbed the contacts afterwards with a toothbrush and rubbing alcohol. It's not super pretty, but I'm happy with how it went.

Grounding



I also needed to run grounds from the transponder to the encoder on the EFIS and to the common ground buss. My solder cups aren't big enough to put more than one wire in. Instead of splicing the wires together, I recalled that Bob had jumped a bunch of dsub solder cups together by placing a section of wire between them and soldering it all together. I did that for 3 of the cups and connected ground wires from the transponder and encoder to this. I wanted a 20 awg ground from the encoder, but only had one spare 24 awg wire left over in the cable. I used a 22 awg along with this 24 awg wire for this. Diagram below.

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