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I've got a mate, who we all know, Kingsley, trying to fly a 914 a long distance downunder that is giving him angst. Its running rough, real rough. It seems that at boost power it just simply cuts out! Also, in cruise when going to climb power it has begun to run really rough. He is a long way from home trying to limp it home, so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. To elaborate, he has flown it 2 hours on AVGAS with no obvious problem until going to climb power when it ran so rough they had to pull the power back and land ASAP, luckily with an aerodrome closeby. Now, it runs rough on the ground too….not sure of what power settings but I recall they can't get boost happening. The local Rotax agent says that AVGAS with lead can wreck a set of plugs in no time, so, they have a new set of plugs about to be installed. Fuel will be drained and high octane super unleaded mogas will be used instead. The system will be drained. So, I'm wondering if ASAP those in the know can beam downunder the "good goss" that can help Kingsley get this bird home.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Aussie.
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1. 02:16 AM - Le Touquet (David Joyce)
2. 06:59 PM - Re: Europa Ladies!!! (Troy Maynor)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 02:16:41 AM PST US
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Le Touquet
The weather Gods smiled on us for the Le Touquet trip on 23/7. Despite
horrendous weather in the N Sea & points East, it was near perfect over UK &
the Channel. Nine Europas made it, including F-PKRL, Karel Vranken surviving
dubious conditions in Belgium. Bicycles into town and a cracking sea food
lunch there ('Bouillabaise et son demi homard', followed by amazing 'glaces
avec cerises'!) at next table to Alan Sugar & his 2 minders, who had also
flown in & taken to bikes.
Happy landings, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ( + G-MIME; G-KIMM; G-JHKP; G-BZTH;
F-PKRL; G-CEYK; G-BXLK; G-SMDH)
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Time: 06:59:34 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Europa Ladies!!!
From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54(at)charter.net>
Hey Raimo,
Donna says "That's a pretty awesome picture you have there if you think about it.
There's your beautiful lady, in a pretty dress, in a beautiful field, beside
a beautiful airplane." It don't get much better than that.
(BTW, did you land in that tall grass?)
Troy and Donna
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brian.davies(at)clara.co.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:20 am Post subject: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 07/25/11 |
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Hi Tony,
Sorry to hear of Kingsley's troubles. It is difficult to diagnose such a
problem remotely but there are a couple of obvious things to check. If the
engine runs smoothly at lower power settings and cuts out at higher power
settings I would strongly suspect a fuel flow restriction as first guess. I
suggest he does a fuel flow check to see if he is getting enough flow. Next
check that there are no air leaks caused by carb mount failure/pipes adrift/
blocked. Check both carbs are opening together/ no problems with throttle
cables.
It could be ignition and changing the plugs and fuel at least eliminates
some things but it is unlikely that a short period on Avgas would cause plug
failure.
I am sure the real experts will pitch in shortly!
Regards
Brian Davies
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:29 am Post subject: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 07/25/11 |
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Tony I had almost the same problem.. Engine runs fine until the boost started to come on, then missing.
Try this. turn off the turbo with the Isolation switch....Do a run up, if you get full power, and no missing, without the turbo, then leave the turbo out of the circuit and fly home....
The fuel regulator on top of the airbox is bad. As the engine RPM is going to full power, at about 4400 RPM the missing starts.,the fuel regulator on top of the airbox, is supposed to shut off the return fuel, so that all fuel is avaiable for the turbo. In other words the engine is starving for fuel under boost. The engine will run just fine as a non-turbo.....
Jim Brown
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To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 07/25/11
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>
I've got a mate, who we all know, Kingsley, trying to fly a 914 a long distance downunder that is giving him angst. Its running rough, real rough. It seems that at boost power it just simply cuts out! Also, in cruise when going to climb power it has begun to run really rough. He is a long way from home trying to limp it home, so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. To elaborate, he has flown it 2 hours on AVGAS with no obvious problem until going to climb power when it ran so rough they had to pull the power back and land ASAP, luckily with an aerodrome closeby. Now, it runs rough on the ground too….not sure of what power settings but I recall they can't get boost happening. The local Rotax agent says that AVGAS with lead can wreck a set of plugs in no time, so, they have a new set of plugs about to be installed. Fuel will be drained and high octane super unleaded mogas will be used instead. The system will be drained. So, I'm wondering if ASAP those in the know can!
beam downunder the "good goss" that can help Kingsley get this bird home.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Aussie.
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1. 02:16 AM - Le Touquet (David Joyce)
2. 06:59 PM - Re: Europa Ladies!!! (Troy Maynor)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 02:16:41 AM PST US
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk)>
Subject: Le Touquet
The weather Gods smiled on us for the Le Touquet trip on 23/7. Despite
horrendous weather in the N Sea & points East, it was near perfect over UK &
the Channel. Nine Europas made it, including F-PKRL, Karel Vranken surviving
dubious conditions in Belgium. Bicycles into town and a cracking sea food
lunch there ('Bouillabaise et son demi homard', followed by amazing 'glaces
avec cerises'!) at next table to Alan Sugar & his 2 minders, who had also
flown in & taken to bikes.
Happy landings, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ( + G-MIME; G-KIMM; G-JHKP; G-BZTH;
F-PKRL; G-CEYK; G-BXLK; G-SMDH)
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Time: 06:59:34 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Europa Ladies!!!
From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54(at)charter.net (wingnut54(at)charter.net)>
Hey Raimo,
Donna says "That's a pretty awesome picture you have there if you think about it.
There's your beautiful lady, in a pretty dress, in a beautiful field, beside
a beautiful airplane." It don't get much better than that.
(BTW, did you land in that tall grass?)
Troy and Donna
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:24 am Post subject: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 07/25/11 |
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You can check the operation of the turbo wastegate on the ground. Observe
the wastegate arm move through it's test cycle when the master is turned on,
to see if it is sticking.
Sounds like carburators to me. He can inspect and clean the float bowls
without removing the carbs from the engine ( 19 mm bolt on the bottom of the
bowls, torque to 5.5nm). Also make sure that the carbs are balanced.
Kevin
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>wrote:
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I've got a mate, who we all know, Kingsley, trying to fly a 914 a long
distance downunder that is giving him angst. Its running rough, real rough.
It seems that at boost power it just simply cuts out! Also, in cruise when
going to climb power it has begun to run really rough. He is a long way from
home trying to limp it home, so any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. To elaborate, he has flown it 2 hours on AVGAS with no obvious
problem until going to climb power when it ran so rough they had to pull the
power back and land ASAP, luckily with an aerodrome closeby. Now, it runs
rough on the ground too….not sure of what power settings but I recall they
can't get boost happening. The local Rotax agent says that AVGAS with lead
can wreck a set of plugs in no time, so, they have a new set of plugs about
to be installed. Fuel will be drained and high octane super unleaded mogas
will be used instead. The system will be drained. So, I'm wondering if ASAP
those in the know can!
beam downunder the "good goss" that can help Kingsley get this bird home
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wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:06 am Post subject: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 07/25/11 |
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I use 100% AVGAS and in my experience no it doesn't. Plugs last 50 hours no
problem. I have never had a set of plugs foul up in nearly 7 years - I
admit I change them every 25 hours.
I have this sort of issue after an overhaul and it had to do with two
things.
part of the problem was one of the tubes from the airbox the carb had come
loose and unbalanced the carbs
Secondly the mating between the turbo and the engine was "out" - which meant
that the turbo was providing too much or too little boost relative to the
power setting. We tested the system by making the wastegate "manual" with
a vernier cable.
You can check the state of the mixture by looking at the plugs - they should
have minimal carbon deposits and have a light brown "finish". I have a very
old haynes BMW motorbike manual with photos of different states of plugs and
what each means. I am sure that this is now on the web tho I haven't
looked.
Will
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Dear Raimo and Marke,We see on the weatherforcast that you have an exceptional summer in Finland but I didn't know that the grass is growing that fast between landing and departure.
Best greetings to Marke and the kids,
Karel Vranken.
2011/7/26 Europa-List Digest Server <europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)>
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1. 02:16 AM - Le Touquet (David Joyce)
2. 06:59 PM - Re: Europa Ladies!!! (Troy Maynor)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 02:16:41 AM PST US
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk)>
Subject: Le Touquet
The weather Gods smiled on us for the Le Touquet trip on 23/7. Despite
horrendous weather in the N Sea & points East, it was near perfect over UK &
the Channel. Nine Europas made it, including F-PKRL, Karel Vranken surviving
dubious conditions in Belgium. Bicycles into town and a cracking sea food
lunch there ('Bouillabaise et son demi homard', followed by amazing 'glaces
avec cerises'!) at next table to Alan Sugar & his 2 minders, who had also
flown in & taken to bikes.
Happy landings, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ( + G-MIME; G-KIMM; G-JHKP; G-BZTH;
F-PKRL; G-CEYK; G-BXLK; G-SMDH)
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Time: 06:59:34 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Europa Ladies!!!
From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54(at)charter.net (wingnut54(at)charter.net)>
Hey Raimo,
Donna says "That's a pretty awesome picture you have there if you think about it.
There's your beautiful lady, in a pretty dress, in a beautiful field, beside
a beautiful airplane." It don't get much better than that.
(BTW, did you land in that tall grass?)
Troy and Donna
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Hi Tony,
If Kingsley's airplane only has a couple of hours on it then I'd be looking
at the fuel filters. I pulled an unbelievable amount of crap out of the
filters for the first 50 hours and I was very careful (or so I thought) to
make sure that fuel system was clean before my first flight.
Paul
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>wrote:
[quote]
I've got a mate, who we all know, Kingsley, trying to fly a 914 a long
distance downunder that is giving him angst. Its running rough, real rough.
It seems that at boost power it just simply cuts out! Also, in cruise when
going to climb power it has begun to run really rough. He is a long way from
home trying to limp it home, so any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. To elaborate, he has flown it 2 hours on AVGAS with no obvious
problem until going to climb power when it ran so rough they had to pull the
power back and land ASAP, luckily with an aerodrome closeby. Now, it runs
rough on the ground too….not sure of what power settings but I recall they
can't get boost happening. The local Rotax agent says that AVGAS with lead
can wreck a set of plugs in no time, so, they have a new set of plugs about
to be installed. Fuel will be drained and high octane super unleaded mogas
will be used instead. The system will be drained. So, I'm wondering if ASAP
those in the know can!
beam downunder the "good goss" that can help Kingsley get this bird home
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