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I'd agree but while credit/debit cards are normal methods of doing business, Facebook and others aren't really methods of doing business...other than advertising. So while holding back from credit cards and such can make your life hard,holding back from Facebook hasn't hurt me in the least...and it's like I'm voting with my dollars by NOT going down that route. It IS the world which many live in today, but for myself and my kids, it isn't, and likely won't be. I'd rather live in a less busy world of real people, real friends, real activities rather than armchair activities and basically trying to live my life as unaffected by these things as I can. The technology of today should be our slave, and not vice versa.
Tim
On Aug 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]I can appreciate and tend to agree with nearly 100% the reasoning. But I also have a dose of the real-world syrum to inject into the mix.
The world is going to go on and there is nothing we can do about it. We can hold off as long as we want. That's like saying you refuse to use debit cards, or make purchases online, or do online banking, or to interact with an ATM machine. At one point we all were skeptical and stood our ground in those areas, but the world we live in pulled us along.
I refused to use Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace too. But at some point you have to come to the realization that no matter how determined you are, you aren't going to change the world and you're simply going to be pulled along by the currents of the world.
So you might as well learn to swim now. It's comnig.
It's just the world we live in today.....
Phil
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Tim Olson <[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]> wrote:
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True, it's text messages for all the quick stuff.
But, I'm not interested in the privacy/identity theft and many other
risks that are coming from some of the vulnerabilities of these
social media sites.
http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/privacy-smackdown-facebook-versus-google/
The above is worth reading, but here's an interesting
clip:
"Right now, if an advertiser bids on the AdWord phrase auto insurance price quotes and someone clicks on a Google-generated link to the advertiser’s site, the advertiser pays U.S. $54.91. For one click. No, that isn’t a typo. Bid on the phrase consolidate graduate student loans, get a click, and it’ll cost $44.28. Alcohol rehab center runs $33.59. Cord blood bank goes for $27.80. WordStream has an excellent quick overview of the way Google AdWords works, listing the going rate for top phrases."
I'm not interested in being heavily marketed to, either:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-07-27-new-technolgies-for-marketing-to-kids_n.htm
I personally believe that while these social media sites are
great for some of the interpersonal connecting, if people
really knew what's being shared by them and what's happening
to their data, they would choose to pay DOLLARS for a site
that does NOT do this stuff. Make no mistake...the reason
these sites are cheap or free is because you, your identity,
your habits, and your data are things that other people
are willing to PAY for...and I'd like to contribute
as little as I can to those companies databases.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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I agree completely.
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On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
[quote]I'd agree but while credit/debit cards are normal methods of doing business, Facebook and others aren't really methods of doing business...other than advertising. So while holding back from credit cards and such can make your life hard,holding back from Facebook hasn't hurt me in the least...and it's like I'm voting with my dollars by NOT going down that route. It IS the world which many live in today, but for myself and my kids, it isn't, and likely won't be. I'd rather live in a less busy world of real people, real friends, real activities rather than armchair activities and basically trying to live my life as unaffected by these things as I can. The technology of today should be our slave, and not vice versa.
Tim
On Aug 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Phillip Perry <[url=mailto:philperry9(at)gmail.com]philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)[/url]> wrote:
| Quote: | I can appreciate and tend to agree with nearly 100% the reasoning. But I also have a dose of the real-world syrum to inject into the mix.
The world is going to go on and there is nothing we can do about it. We can hold off as long as we want. That's like saying you refuse to use debit cards, or make purchases online, or do online banking, or to interact with an ATM machine. At one point we all were skeptical and stood our ground in those areas, but the world we live in pulled us along.
I refused to use Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace too. But at some point you have to come to the realization that no matter how determined you are, you aren't going to change the world and you're simply going to be pulled along by the currents of the world.
So you might as well learn to swim now. It's comnig.
It's just the world we live in today.....
Phil
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Tim Olson < (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]> wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson < (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]>
True, it's text messages for all the quick stuff.
But, I'm not interested in the privacy/identity theft and many other
risks that are coming from some of the vulnerabilities of these
social media sites.
[/url][url=http://windowssecrets.com/top-]http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/privacy-smackdown-facebook-versus-google/
The above is worth reading, but here's an interesting
clip:
"Right now, if an advertiser bids on the AdWord phrase auto insurance price quotes and someone clicks on a Google-generated link to the advertiser’s site, the advertiser pays U.S. $54.91. For one click. No, that isn’t a typo. Bid on the phrase consolidate graduate student loans, get a click, and it’ll cost $44.28. Alcohol rehab center runs $33.59. Cord blood bank goes for $27.80. WordStream has an excellent quick overview of the way Google AdWords works, listing the going rate for top phrases."
I'm not interested in being heavily marketed to, either:
[/url][url=http://www.usatoday.com/money/]http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-07-27-new-technolgies-for-marketing-to-kids_n.htm
I personally believe that while these social media sites are
great for some of the interpersonal connecting, if people
really knew what's being shared by them and what's happening
to their data, they would choose to pay DOLLARS for a site
that does NOT do this stuff. Make no mistake...the reason
these sites are cheap or free is because you, your identity,
your habits, and your data are things that other people
are willing to PAY for...and I'd like to contribute
as little as I can to those companies databases.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
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So you can join Facebook, or not. It is your personal preference. Social media is becoming the future of communication.
For me it allowed me to reconnect to friends from grade school, high school, and college. Friends I thought I'd never see or hear from again. Friends that I lost contact with with little chance of ever finding. And I have become better friends with acquaintances that I never realized how much in common we had.... And with my plane, I've actually flown and spent time with many of them.
It isn't about giving out personal information, attracting pedophiles, or supporting marketing. I don't use Facebook on the desktop so I can't say, but there are no ads on Facebook for the iPhone. And the only people I allow access to any of my info are people I know. You don't need to put anything out there other than a name.
Now, let's get back to airplane talk.... I'm going to go fly my RV-10 in a few minutes. I live at 26W in SE Michigan and also heading to the fly in at KTEW tomorrow morning. Look me up if you are in the area.
I'm also getting will my interior from Abby at Flightline interiors on Monday!
Have a safe, weekend with many flight hours!!
-Mike Kraus
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On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
[quote]I'd agree but while credit/debit cards are normal methods of doing business, Facebook and others aren't really methods of doing business...other than advertising. So while holding back from credit cards and such can make your life hard,holding back from Facebook hasn't hurt me in the least...and it's like I'm voting with my dollars by NOT going down that route. It IS the world which many live in today, but for myself and my kids, it isn't, and likely won't be. I'd rather live in a less busy world of real people, real friends, real activities rather than armchair activities and basically trying to live my life as unaffected by these things as I can. The technology of today should be our slave, and not vice versa.
Tim
On Aug 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Phillip Perry <[url=mailto:philperry9(at)gmail.com]philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)[/url]> wrote:
| Quote: | I can appreciate and tend to agree with nearly 100% the reasoning. But I also have a dose of the real-world syrum to inject into the mix.
The world is going to go on and there is nothing we can do about it. We can hold off as long as we want. That's like saying you refuse to use debit cards, or make purchases online, or do online banking, or to interact with an ATM machine. At one point we all were skeptical and stood our ground in those areas, but the world we live in pulled us along.
I refused to use Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace too. But at some point you have to come to the realization that no matter how determined you are, you aren't going to change the world and you're simply going to be pulled along by the currents of the world.
So you might as well learn to swim now. It's comnig.
It's just the world we live in today.....
Phil
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Tim Olson < (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]> wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson < (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]>
True, it's text messages for all the quick stuff.
But, I'm not interested in the privacy/identity theft and many other
risks that are coming from some of the vulnerabilities of these
social media sites.
[/url][url=http://windowssecrets.com/top-]http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/privacy-smackdown-facebook-versus-google/
The above is worth reading, but here's an interesting
clip:
"Right now, if an advertiser bids on the AdWord phrase auto insurance price quotes and someone clicks on a Google-generated link to the advertiser’s site, the advertiser pays U.S. $54.91. For one click. No, that isn’t a typo. Bid on the phrase consolidate graduate student loans, get a click, and it’ll cost $44.28. Alcohol rehab center runs $33.59. Cord blood bank goes for $27.80. WordStream has an excellent quick overview of the way Google AdWords works, listing the going rate for top phrases."
I'm not interested in being heavily marketed to, either:
[/url][url=http://www.usatoday.com/money/]http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-07-27-new-technolgies-for-marketing-to-kids_n.htm
I personally believe that while these social media sites are
great for some of the interpersonal connecting, if people
really knew what's being shared by them and what's happening
to their data, they would choose to pay DOLLARS for a site
that does NOT do this stuff. Make no mistake...the reason
these sites are cheap or free is because you, your identity,
your habits, and your data are things that other people
are willing to PAY for...and I'd like to contribute
as little as I can to those companies databases.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 8/19/2011 11:17 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
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Oh, come on Tim….everyone already knows everything about you….and if not, I am sure they could find it on the web if they wanted to. J
To quote Armageddon…. “Embrace the horror”
On the serious side……I was very resistant myself but when a young friend died suddenly, (while I was in So Cal in my RV-10), Facebook was chosen communication method (by the family not me)……so I fired up my account. Since then I have been able to connect with a lot of old friends…it has been worthwhile for me.
Rene'
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I'd agree but while credit/debit cards are normal methods of doing business, Facebook and others aren't really methods of doing business...other than advertising. So while holding back from credit cards and such can make your life hard,holding back from Facebook hasn't hurt me in the least...and it's like I'm voting with my dollars by NOT going down that route. It IS the world which many live in today, but for myself and my kids, it isn't, and likely won't be. I'd rather live in a less busy world of real people, real friends, real activities rather than armchair activities and basically trying to live my life as unaffected by these things as I can. The technology of today should be our slave, and not vice versa.
Tim
On Aug 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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I can appreciate and tend to agree with nearly 100% the reasoning. But I also have a dose of the real-world syrum to inject into the mix.
The world is going to go on and there is nothing we can do about it. We can hold off as long as we want. That's like saying you refuse to use debit cards, or make purchases online, or do online banking, or to interact with an ATM machine. At one point we all were skeptical and stood our ground in those areas, but the world we live in pulled us along.
I refused to use Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace too. But at some point you have to come to the realization that no matter how determined you are, you aren't going to change the world and you're simply going to be pulled along by the currents of the world.
So you might as well learn to swim now. It's comnig.
It's just the world we live in today.....
Phil
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
True, it's text messages for all the quick stuff.
But, I'm not interested in the privacy/identity theft and many other
risks that are coming from some of the vulnerabilities of these
social media sites.
http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/privacy-smackdown-facebook-versus-google/
The above is worth reading, but here's an interesting
clip:
"Right now, if an advertiser bids on the AdWord phrase auto insurance price quotes and someone clicks on a Google-generated link to the advertiser’s site, the advertiser pays U.S. $54.91. For one click. No, that isn’t a typo. Bid on the phrase consolidate graduate student loans, get a click, and it’ll cost $44.28. Alcohol rehab center runs $33.59. Cord blood bank goes for $27.80. WordStream has an excellent quick overview of the way Google AdWords works, listing the going rate for top phrases."
I'm not interested in being heavily marketed to, either:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-07-27-new-technolgies-for-marketing-to-kids_n.htm
I personally believe that while these social media sites are
great for some of the interpersonal connecting, if people
really knew what's being shared by them and what's happening
to their data, they would choose to pay DOLLARS for a site
that does NOT do this stuff. Make no mistake...the reason
these sites are cheap or free is because you, your identity,
your habits, and your data are things that other people
are willing to PAY for...and I'd like to contribute
as little as I can to those companies databases.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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That's why your kids are fun to be around and have good social skills.
[quote] I'd agree but while credit/debit cards are normal methods of doing business, Facebook and others aren't really methods of doing business...other than advertising. So while holding back from credit cards and such can make your life hard,holding back from Facebook hasn't hurt me in the least...and it's like I'm voting with my dollars by NOT going down that route. It IS the world which many live in today, but for myself and my kids, it isn't, and likely won't be. I'd rather live in a less busy world of real people, real friends, real activities rather than armchair activities and basically trying to live my life as unaffected by these things as I can. The technology of today should be our slave, and not vice versa.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:09 am Post subject: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
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What does facebook offer that email does not offer in terms of
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Facebook was the communication tool of choice which Vans Aircraft used to throw down the gauntlet. Now the immense financial resources and interest are engaged.
I remain a supporter of improvements to a Great platform. Keep them flying safely.
John -40600 On Aug 20, 2011 9:13 AM, "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com (fritzsch(at)eskimo.com)> wrote:> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com (fritzsch(at)eskimo.com)>
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If any wants to try an alternative (Google+), I'm happy to send you an invite. Just send me an email at rv10(at)colohan.com (rv10(at)colohan.com) and I'll send out the invite...
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Dave,
To me, FB is more like a web page that automatically sends update emails when things change. It also combines picture hosting, texting, emailing, chatting and invitations into one. So, really, a lot.
My -10 has its own FB page...because its so easy to take pictures on the phone and one click load them to FB. You should try it.
I'm sure plenty didn't want a car- and later mobile-phone for whatever reason...now look at us. Change the default settings on FB and you'll be fine.
Best,
Jim
Jim Beyer
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Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been focused more
on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!* your pants if
you knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending to leverage
social media as a way of conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming.
I'd love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about replacing call
centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who can't speak
english. The cost is less to the business and the clients are much happier.
Vehicles that you drive reporting their health/location to you and also the
manufacturer who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately
forward the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor
everything in the house.
All of this stuff can be done today. My car reports its health to BMW. My
house has the ability to turn lights on and off remotely, etc. But social
media is the web that pulls it all together. Big businesses are spending
serious cash on making social media the front door of their business. You
can hold out as long as you want, but you're going to be forced down the
path because that's how business works. The social enterprise is the next
ATM.
Salesforce.com was just recognized as the worlds most innovative company by
fortune. I toured their site a few weeks ago and was blown away at their
vision. If you have some time to waste, click through some of their videos
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They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what will prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with Spacebook. Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they have to pay for the phone call.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been focused more on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!* your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending to leverage social media as a way of conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'd love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who can't speak english. The cost is less to the business and the clients are much happier. Vehicles that you drive reporting their health/location to you and also the manufacturer who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately forward the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor everything in the house.
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Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least useful channel of support has been Vans.
I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's for no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life enriching experience of re-connecting with people from college and other places. People I would never have seen again. If life and work have conspired to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the glue to put some of it back together.
The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and so many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists. FB is just a generic form of these specialized social networking sites. And when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many specialized networks within it.
Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and generally better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and adapting to GPS VNAV.
Bill
On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: [quote]They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what will prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with Spacebook. Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they have to pay for the phone call.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been focused more on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!* your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending to leverage social media as a way of conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'd love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who can't speak english. The cost is less to the business and the clients are much happier. Vehicles that you drive reporting their health/location to you and also the manufacturer who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately forward the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor everything in the house.
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sean(at)stephensville.com
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:48 pm Post subject: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
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.. "The only thing possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans."
Ya, I'd love to hear all the comments from Van regarding us, errr... I
mean youz guyz... cutting sub panel ribs to fit multiple EFIS screens in
our VFR-only aircraft. 
-Sean #40303 Trying to build and get my IFR rating at the same time.
On 8/21/11 9:07 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
| Quote: | Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing
possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this
list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least
useful channel of support has been Vans.
I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's
for no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life
enriching experience of re-connecting with people from college and
other places. People I would never have seen again. If life and work
have conspired to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the
glue to put some of it back together.
The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and
so many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists.
FB is just a generic form of these specialized social networking
sites. And when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many
specialized networks within it.
Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and
generally better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and
adapting to GPS VNAV.
Bill
On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the
> customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what
> will prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with
> Spacebook. Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they
> have to pay for the phone call.
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com
> <mailto:philperry9(at)gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
>
> I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been
> focused more on the business enablement side. You would
> absolutely $#!* your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500
> companies are spending to leverage social media as a way of
> conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'd love to
> revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
>
> I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about
> replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with
> someone who can't speak english. The cost is less to the business
> and the clients are much happier. Vehicles that you drive
> reporting their health/location to you and also the manufacturer
> who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately
> forward the data to the service center. Home centers that
> monitor everything in the house.
>
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:38 am Post subject: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
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Bill brings up a good point and I have yet to call Vans support line.
Van if you are listening (yes, I know no one is listening) the idea behind "enterprise" social media is a smart company, like Vans, would invest in an enterprise platform which allows them to easily combine, consume, monitor, participate, etc. in all forms of media. The goal is to engage all of their customers (young and old, high tech and low tech) in their media of choice, and combine all of information into one (virtual) location to the benefit of everyone… at the same time hiding the complexity to both internal users and external customers.
The good news for those who dislike social media — at some point in the future you can take advantage of social media with out actively participating… at least you won't know you are activity participating. For the Star Trek fans… social media is the Borg and "resistance is futile". I dislike social media for many reasons (security, lack of direct face-to-face interaction, virtual world) but… resistance is futile.
Jonathan
41236 -- Just starting wings (and waiting to see Bill fly at Lake Ridge)
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)>
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Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:07:29 -0400
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least useful channel of support has been Vans.
I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's for no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life enriching experience of re-connecting with people from college and other places. People I would never have seen again. If life and work have conspired to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the glue to put some of it back together.
The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and so many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists. FB is just a generic form of these specialized social networking sites. And when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many specialized networks within it.
Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and generally better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and adapting to GPS VNAV.
Bill
On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: | Quote: | They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what will prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with Spacebook. Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they have to pay for the phone call.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been focused more on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!* your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending to leverage social media as a way of conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'd love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who can't speak english. The cost is less to the business and the clients are much happier. Vehicles that you drive reporting their health/location to you and also the manufacturer who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately forward the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor everything in the house.
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The problem is they all change or are replaced. People are leaving Facebook and Twitter in droves. Take your social network pick, AOL, Friendster, MySpace, all might as well be defunct but at one time were “it”. Now ask these companies as they are sold or liquidated what happens to their #1 asset, the user data. Privacy policies aren’t worth the paper they are printed… oh ya, no paper.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:15 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
I can appreciate and tend to agree with nearly 100% the reasoning. But I also have a dose of the real-world syrum to inject into the mix.
The world is going to go on and there is nothing we can do about it. We can hold off as long as we want. That's like saying you refuse to use debit cards, or make purchases online, or do online banking, or to interact with an ATM machine. At one point we all were skeptical and stood our ground in those areas, but the world we live in pulled us along.
I refused to use Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace too. But at some point you have to come to the realization that no matter how determined you are, you aren't going to change the world and you're simply going to be pulled along by the currents of the world.
So you might as well learn to swim now. It's comnig.
It's just the world we live in today.....
Phil
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
True, it's text messages for all the quick stuff.
But, I'm not interested in the privacy/identity theft and many other
risks that are coming from some of the vulnerabilities of these
social media sites.
http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/privacy-smackdown-facebook-versus-google/
The above is worth reading, but here's an interesting
clip:
"Right now, if an advertiser bids on the AdWord phrase auto insurance price quotes and someone clicks on a Google-generated link to the advertiser’s site, the advertiser pays U.S. $54.91. For one click. No, that isn’t a typo. Bid on the phrase consolidate graduate student loans, get a click, and it’ll cost $44.28. Alcohol rehab center runs $33.59. Cord blood bank goes for $27.80. WordStream has an excellent quick overview of the way Google AdWords works, listing the going rate for top phrases."
I'm not interested in being heavily marketed to, either:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-07-27-new-technolgies-for-marketing-to-kids_n.htm
I personally believe that while these social media sites are
great for some of the interpersonal connecting, if people
really knew what's being shared by them and what's happening
to their data, they would choose to pay DOLLARS for a site
that does NOT do this stuff. Make no mistake...the reason
these sites are cheap or free is because you, your identity,
your habits, and your data are things that other people
are willing to PAY for...and I'd like to contribute
as little as I can to those companies databases.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 8/19/2011 11:17 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
Don't tell me you guys still rely on e-mail? That's gone the way of the
pony express!
Phil
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