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				 Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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				I just noted what I consider excess play in the top rudder bearing in my CH601XL. It seems the design assumes the metal bushing on the AN3 bolt will not move against the mounting plates on the rudder. 
 
 I plan to fix it with a slightly over sized bushing and hole but I wonder if many others have noted this.
 
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				 Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:24 pm    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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				Mark, 
  
  I don't know if this is a common problem; but I recall seeing a video of Gus Warren on pre-flighting a 601XL where he cautions to check this joint for excessive wear and play.
  
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				 Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:21 am    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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				Same here.  I have seen that some people used bronze bushings on the part that is fixed on the fuselage.   I'd like to do that, but I am nervous about minimum edge distance. 
 
 Michel
 
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  I just noted what I consider excess play in the top rudder bearing in my CH601XL. It seems the design assumes the metal bushing on the AN3 bolt will not move against the mounting plates on the rudder. 
  
  I plan to fix it with a slightly over sized bushing and hole but I wonder if many others have noted this.
  
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  N708HU
  CH601XL
  Jabiru 3300
  Rotec TBI 40-3 carb
  Sensenich ground adj prop.
  70 hr TAF 
  Pictures at photo.hubbles.com
  
  
  
  
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				 Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:25 am    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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				Your comments on this issue got me to look at my rudder mounting.
 
 After only 20 hours of flight I can see measurable wear on the portion 
 of the top bracket hole at the front (toward the nose) of the hole.  I 
 think the way this "Hinge" is designed the steel tube is rotating 
 against the aluminum bracket.
 
 I don't know what I will do about this.  Perhaps a slightly larger steel 
 tube pressed into the aluminum will provide a way for the inner tube to 
 move without removing aluminum.  I'm concerned about friction on this 
 approach, but some axle grease might help.
 
 Paul
 Camas, WA
 XL through 20 hours of phase I testing
 On 10/15/2011 5:54 PM, mhubel wrote:
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  I just noted what I consider excess play in the top rudder bearing in my CH601XL. It seems the design assumes the metal bushing on the AN3 bolt will not move against the mounting plates on the rudder.
 
  I plan to fix it with a slightly over sized bushing and hole but I wonder if many others have noted this.
 
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  Mark Hubelbank
  N708HU
  CH601XL
  Jabiru 3300
  Rotec TBI 40-3 carb
  Sensenich ground adj prop.
  70 hr TAF
  Pictures at photo.hubbles.com
 
 
  Read this topic online here:
 
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				 Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:23 pm    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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				Paul,
      Given what I thought was a design that had the potential to have a 
 problem here, I am looking at some other solutions. If I find anything 
 that works, I will post it. I expect to be working on it this week.
 
 On 10/16/2011 2:22 PM, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
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  Your comments on this issue got me to look at my rudder mounting.
 
  After only 20 hours of flight I can see measurable wear on the portion 
  of the top bracket hole at the front (toward the nose) of the hole.  I 
  think the way this "Hinge" is designed the steel tube is rotating 
  against the aluminum bracket.
 
  I don't know what I will do about this.  Perhaps a slightly larger 
  steel tube pressed into the aluminum will provide a way for the inner 
  tube to move without removing aluminum.  I'm concerned about friction 
  on this approach, but some axle grease might help.
 
  Paul
  Camas, WA
  XL through 20 hours of phase I testing
  On 10/15/2011 5:54 PM, mhubel wrote:
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 > I just noted what I consider excess play in the top rudder bearing in 
 > my CH601XL. It seems the design assumes the metal bushing on the AN3 
 > bolt will not move against the mounting plates on the rudder.
 >
 > I plan to fix it with a slightly over sized bushing and hole but I 
 > wonder if many others have noted this.
 >
 > --------
 > Mark Hubelbank
 > N708HU
 > CH601XL
 > Jabiru 3300
 > Rotec TBI 40-3 carb
 > Sensenich ground adj prop.
 > 70 hr TAF
 > Pictures at photo.hubbles.com
 >
 >
 > Read this topic online here:
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 > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355163#355163
 >
 
 
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 Maynard, MA, 01754 - USA
 mhubel(at)nemon.com
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Jabiru 3300
 
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				 Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:54 pm    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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				Hi Mark,
 
 I currently have my rudder and horizontal stabilizer removed.  To make a 
 long story short, before removal the "Chief" mechanic on my field was 
 looking at it and started moving the stab back and forth.  I guess the 
 tips moved around 1/2 inch from front to rear.  I told him I would 
 tighten the bolts holding it in place and he just laughed saying he 
 never liked this design.  He also said something about how the stab 
 should be attached with steel instead of aluminum.
 
 After wiggling it and tightening the bolts and wiggling it some more I 
 took it for a flight.  After the flight it seemed to move a little bit 
 more than before.  I decided to take the stab off and take a good look 
 to try to discover the source of the movement.  It became obvious after 
 removing it and the rudder (it wouldn't come off without taking off the 
 rudder too) that the mounting brackets (6B3-3, 6b3-4 in current parts 
 database, 6B1-8 and 6B1-9 in my set of drawings) were bending.  I 
 decided to replace them with steel.
 
 Then this discussion came up and I looked to see significant wear on the 
 heavy aluminum angle (lower hinge?) for the rudder.  This comes as no 
 surprise since the steel tube is rubbing against aluminum and the rudder 
 cables tensioned to 25 pounds each provide a 50 pound force grinding the 
 steel into the aluminum.  It must be a real problem for others who have 
 more than 20 hours on their planes.
 
 My first thought was to get a piece of steel tube just larger than the 
 current one and press it into the aluminum.  Then I heard someone 
 suggest bronze bushing and looked at McMaster Carr for the material.  My 
 first cut located much larger bushing stock - starting at 1 inch O.D. 
 with 1/4 inch walls.
 
 For now I am hoping you get a brighter idea than any of mine.  I have 
 not found any aircraft steel angles, and I could put hardware store 
 steel in there but am reluctant to do that.  I guess I could try to bend 
 a 4130 flat into a right angle but that sounds like a big job - that is 
 pretty tough stuff.
 
 I anxiously await your own efforts.  Perhaps we can find a solution to 
 this horrible design that actually works well.
 
 Paul
 XL 20 hours into phase I testing.
 
 On 10/16/2011 3:20 PM, Mark Hubelbank wrote:
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  Paul,
      Given what I thought was a design that had the potential to have a 
  problem here, I am looking at some other solutions. If I find anything 
  that works, I will post it. I expect to be working on it this week.
 
  On 10/16/2011 2:22 PM, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
 > 
 >
 > Your comments on this issue got me to look at my rudder mounting.
 >
 > After only 20 hours of flight I can see measurable wear on the 
 > portion of the top bracket hole at the front (toward the nose) of the 
 > hole.  I think the way this "Hinge" is designed the steel tube is 
 > rotating against the aluminum bracket.
 >
 > I don't know what I will do about this.  Perhaps a slightly larger 
 > steel tube pressed into the aluminum will provide a way for the inner 
 > tube to move without removing aluminum.  I'm concerned about friction 
 > on this approach, but some axle grease might help.
 >
 > Paul
 > Camas, WA
 > XL through 20 hours of phase I testing
 > On 10/15/2011 5:54 PM, mhubel wrote:
 >> 
 >>
 >> I just noted what I consider excess play in the top rudder bearing 
 >> in my CH601XL. It seems the design assumes the metal bushing on the 
 >> AN3 bolt will not move against the mounting plates on the rudder.
 >>
 >> I plan to fix it with a slightly over sized bushing and hole but I 
 >> wonder if many others have noted this.
 >>
 >> --------
 >> Mark Hubelbank
 >> N708HU
 >> CH601XL
 >> Jabiru 3300
 >> Rotec TBI 40-3 carb
 >> Sensenich ground adj prop.
 >> 70 hr TAF
 >> Pictures at photo.hubbles.com
 >>
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 >>
 >> Read this topic online here:
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 >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355163#355163
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				 Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:56 pm    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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				I made a design for an Oilite bearing in the Rudder of my CH701. The  4130 steel tube is clamped by the through bolt and rotates in the bearing  which can be replaced if it should wear. I do not like steel in aluminum as a  bearing pair. Picture attached. I did a similar design for all of the rotating  bearings on the wings and stab of the 701. Lubricate at assembly with MoS2  grease. Remember our airplanes are Experimental  so use the design at your own risk.
   
  Regards,  John
 
 CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
 
 Cell: 719-494-4567
 Home:  303-648-3261   
   In a message dated 10/16/2011 12:25:57 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  psm(at)att.net writes:
   	  | Quote: | 	 		  -->    Zenith601-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net>
 
 Your    comments on this issue got me to look at my rudder mounting.
 
 After only    20 hours of flight I can see measurable wear on the portion 
 of the top    bracket hole at the front (toward the nose) of the hole.  I 
 think the    way this "Hinge" is designed the steel tube is rotating 
 against the    aluminum bracket.
 
 I don't know what I will do about this.  Perhaps    a slightly larger steel 
 tube pressed into the aluminum will provide a way    for the inner tube to 
 move without removing aluminum.  I'm concerned    about friction on this 
 approach, but some axle grease might    help.
 
 Paul
 Camas, WA
 XL through 20 hours of phase I    testing
 On 10/15/2011 5:54 PM, mhubel wrote:
  	  | Quote: | 	 		   -->     Zenith601-List message posted by:    "mhubel"<mhubel(at)nemon.com>
 
  I just noted what I consider    excess play in the top rudder bearing in my CH601XL. It seems the design    assumes the metal bushing on the AN3 bolt will not move against the mounting    plates on the rudder.
 
  I plan to fix it with a slightly over    sized bushing and hole but I wonder if many others have noted    this.
 
  --------
  Mark Hubelbank
  N708HU
     CH601XL
  Jabiru 3300
  Rotec TBI 40-3 carb
  Sensenich    ground adj prop.
  70 hr TAF
  Pictures at    photo.hubbles.com
 
 
  Read this topic    online here:
 
     http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355163#355163
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:34 pm    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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				Hi John,
      
      Thanks for the drawing and comments on the rudder bearings.
      
      I'm not familiar with Oilite or sintered bronze.  Can you give me     any clues where to get that stuff and what form it takes?  Do I     order bearings or just the material and machine it to my design?
      
      Thanks,
      
      Paul
      
      On 10/16/2011 3:53 PM, JohnDRead(at)aol.com (JohnDRead(at)aol.com) wrote:     [quote]                              I made a design for an Oilite bearing in the Rudder of my           CH701. The 4130 steel tube is clamped by the through bolt           and rotates in the bearing which can be replaced if it should           wear. I do not like steel in aluminum as a bearing pair.           Picture attached. I did a similar design for all of the           rotating bearings on the wings and stab of the 701. Lubricate           at assembly with MoS2 grease. Remember our airplanes are Experimental           so use the design at your own risk.
           
          Regards, John
              
              CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
              
              Cell: 719-494-4567
              Home: 303-648-3261              
                             In a message dated 10/16/2011 12:25:57 P.M. Mountain                 Daylight Time, psm(at)att.net (psm(at)att.net) writes:
                 	  | Quote: | 	 		  --> Zenith601-List message                   posted by: Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net> (psm(at)att.net)
                    
                    Your comments on this issue got me to look at my                   rudder mounting.
                    
                    After only 20 hours of flight I can see measurable                   wear on the portion 
                    of the top bracket hole at the front (toward the nose)                   of the hole.  I 
                    think the way this "Hinge" is designed the steel tube                   is rotating 
                    against the aluminum bracket.
                    
                    I don't know what I will do about this.  Perhaps a                   slightly larger steel 
                    tube pressed into the aluminum will provide a way for                   the inner tube to 
                    move without removing aluminum.  I'm concerned about                   friction on this 
                    approach, but some axle grease might help.
                    
                    Paul
                    Camas, WA
                    XL through 20 hours of phase I testing
                    
                    
                    On 10/15/2011 5:54 PM, mhubel wrote:
                    > -->  Zenith601-List message posted by:                   "mhubel"<mhubel(at)nemon.com> (mhubel(at)nemon.com)
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                    > I just noted what I consider excess play in the                   top rudder bearing in my CH601XL. It seems the design                   assumes the metal bushing on the AN3 bolt will not                   move against the mounting plates on the rudder.
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                    > I plan to fix it with a slightly over sized                   bushing and hole but I wonder if many others have                   noted this.
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                    > N708HU
                    > CH601XL
                    > Jabiru 3300
                    > Rotec TBI 40-3 carb
                    > Sensenich ground adj prop.
                    > 70 hr TAF
                    > Pictures at photo.hubbles.com
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				 Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:01 pm    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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 This is what I was thinking... What is the edge distance on the bearing part that the bushing is installed?  Is there enough aluminum left?
  
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   http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
   http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
 From: "JohnDRead(at)aol.com"  <JohnDRead(at)aol.com>
 To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 6:53:07 PM
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        I made a design for an Oilite bearing in the Rudder of my CH701. The  4130 steel tube is clamped by the through bolt and rotates in the bearing  which can be replaced if it should wear. I do not like steel in aluminum as a  bearing pair. Picture attached. I did a similar design for all of the rotating  bearings on the wings and stab of the 701. Lubricate at assembly with MoS2  grease. Remember our airplanes are Experimental  so use the design at your own risk.
   
  Regards,  John
 
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 Home:  303-648-3261  
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				 Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:35 pm    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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				The best fix for this would be a Bell crank bearing like this http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ap/bearings_bellcrank.html but  you would then have the rudder too far aft and the rear saddle would look funny.  So another fix would be to use an Aurora bearing upper and lower like this http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ap/bearings_aurora.html But  you would have to install a nut plate to the backside (inside) of the rudder  along with a doublers on the outside. 
   
  Every 601 I have done upgrades to have had to have the bushings replaced so  the extra effort involved in opening up the rudder would be time well spent  to fix this.
   
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				 Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:20 pm    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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				Hi Paul,
              The  manufacturer of the bearings I used for the rudder mod is Symmco Inc. www.symmco.com in Sykesville PA. The Upper  Rudder bearing is p/n SF-812-5 the Lower Rudder bearing is p/n SF-812-4. You can  download their catalog from their web site. I reamed the holes in the plates to  0.0375, the bearings are 0.377 OD which gives a light press fit into the plates.  The 4130 material supplied by Zenith is a good fit in the bearings. The bolts  are torqued to the normal torque for AN3 bolts.
   
  Regards,  John
 
 CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
 
 Cell: 719-494-4567
 Home:  303-648-3261   
   In a message dated 10/16/2011 6:34:43 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  psm(at)att.net writes:
   	  | Quote: | 	 		  Hi    John,
 
 Thanks for the drawing and comments on the rudder    bearings.
 
 I'm not familiar with Oilite or sintered bronze.  Can    you give me any clues where to get that stuff and what form it takes?  Do    I order bearings or just the material and machine it to my    design?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Paul
 
 On 10/16/2011 3:53 PM, JohnDRead(at)aol.com (JohnDRead(at)aol.com) wrote:     	  | Quote: | 	 		            I made a design for an Oilite bearing in the Rudder of my CH701.      The 4130 steel tube is clamped by the through bolt and rotates in the      bearing which can be replaced if it should wear. I do not like steel in      aluminum as a bearing pair. Picture attached. I did a similar design for all      of the rotating bearings on the wings and stab of the 701. Lubricate at      assembly with MoS2 grease. Remember our airplanes are      Experimental so use the design at your own      risk.
       
      Regards,      John
 
 CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
 
 Cell:      719-494-4567
 Home: 303-648-3261       
           In a message dated 10/16/2011 12:25:57 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, psm(at)att.net (psm(at)att.net) writes:
       	  | Quote: | 	 		  --> Zenith601-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net> (psm(at)att.net)
 
 Your comments on        this issue got me to look at my rudder mounting.
 
 After only 20        hours of flight I can see measurable wear on the portion 
 of the top        bracket hole at the front (toward the nose) of the hole.  I 
 think        the way this "Hinge" is designed the steel tube is rotating 
 against        the aluminum bracket.
 
 I don't know what I will do about this.         Perhaps a slightly larger steel 
 tube pressed into the aluminum will        provide a way for the inner tube to 
 move without removing        aluminum.  I'm concerned about friction on this 
 approach, but        some axle grease might help.
 
 Paul
 Camas, WA
 XL through 20        hours of phase I testing
 On 10/15/2011 5:54 PM, mhubel        wrote:
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         I just noted what I consider excess play in the top rudder bearing in my        CH601XL. It seems the design assumes the metal bushing on the AN3 bolt        will not move against the mounting plates on the rudder.
 
  I        plan to fix it with a slightly over sized bushing and hole but I wonder if        many others have noted this.
 
  --------
  Mark        Hubelbank
  N708HU
  CH601XL
  Jabiru 3300
  Rotec        TBI 40-3 carb
  Sensenich ground adj prop.
  70 hr TAF
         Pictures at photo.hubbles.com
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:24 pm    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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				There is plenty of metal for the edge distance at least on the 701 plates.  I do not know about 601s I'll check them on my hangar buddies plane to  verify.
   
  Regards,  John
 
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   In a message dated 10/16/2011 8:01:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  mtherr(at)yahoo.com writes:
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    This is what I was thinking... What is the edge distance on the    bearing part that the bushing is installed?  Is there enough aluminum    left?
     
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 Michel Therrien CH601-HD,    C-GZGQ
 http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
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 From: "JohnDRead(at)aol.com"    <JohnDRead(at)aol.com>
 To:    zenith601-list(at)matronics.com
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 Subject: Re:    rudder bearing play
 
          I made a design for an Oilite bearing in the Rudder of my CH701. The    4130 steel tube is clamped by the through bolt and rotates in the bearing    which can be replaced if it should wear. I do not like steel in aluminum as a    bearing pair. Picture attached. I did a similar design for all of the rotating    bearings on the wings and stab of the 701. Lubricate at assembly with MoS2    grease. Remember our airplanes are Experimental    so use the design at your own risk.
     
    Regards, John
 
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				 Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:57 am    Post subject: rudder bearing play | 
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				Hi John,
      
      Thanks for the info.  I looked at McMaster and found gobs of choices     for Oilite bearings.  The were so inexpensive (most under $1) I     thought it might be possible to find them at a local hardware store.
      
      Thanks again,
      
      Paul
      
      On 10/16/2011 10:16 PM, JohnDRead(at)aol.com (JohnDRead(at)aol.com) wrote:     [quote]                              Hi Paul,
                      The manufacturer of the bearings I used for the           rudder mod is Symmco Inc. www.symmco.com in           Sykesville PA. The Upper Rudder bearing is p/n SF-812-5 the           Lower Rudder bearing is p/n SF-812-4. You can download their           catalog from their web site. I reamed the holes in the plates           to 0.0375, the bearings are 0.377 OD which gives a light press           fit into the plates. The 4130 material supplied by Zenith is a           good fit in the bearings. The bolts are torqued to the normal           torque for AN3 bolts.
           
          Regards, John
              
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                             In a message dated 10/16/2011 6:34:43 P.M. Mountain                 Daylight Time, psm(at)att.net (psm(at)att.net) writes:
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                    Thanks for the drawing and comments on the rudder                   bearings.
                    
                    I'm not familiar with Oilite or sintered bronze.  Can                   you give me any clues where to get that stuff and what                   form it takes?  Do I order bearings or just the                   material and machine it to my design?
                    
                    Thanks,
                    
                    Paul
                    
                    On 10/16/2011 3:53 PM, JohnDRead(at)aol.com (JohnDRead(at)aol.com)                   wrote:                    	  | Quote: | 	 		                                                                   I made a design for an Oilite bearing in the                         Rudder of my CH701. The 4130 steel tube is                         clamped by the through bolt and rotates in the                         bearing which can be replaced if it should wear.                         I do not like steel in aluminum as a bearing                         pair. Picture attached. I did a similar design                         for all of the rotating bearings on the wings                         and stab of the 701. Lubricate at assembly with                         MoS2 grease. Remember our airplanes are Experimental                         so use the design at your own risk.
                         
                        Regards, John
                            
                            CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
                            
                            Cell: 719-494-4567
                            Home: 303-648-3261                            
                                                         In a message dated 10/16/2011 12:25:57                               P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, psm(at)att.net (psm(at)att.net)                               writes:
                               	  | Quote: | 	 		  -->                                 Zenith601-List message posted by: Paul                                 Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net> (psm(at)att.net)
                                  
                                  Your comments on this issue got me to                                 look at my rudder mounting.
                                  
                                  After only 20 hours of flight I can see                                 measurable wear on the portion 
                                  of the top bracket hole at the front                                 (toward the nose) of the hole.  I 
                                  think the way this "Hinge" is designed                                 the steel tube is rotating 
                                  against the aluminum bracket.
                                  
                                  I don't know what I will do about this.                                  Perhaps a slightly larger steel 
                                  tube pressed into the aluminum will                                 provide a way for the inner tube to 
                                  move without removing aluminum.  I'm                                 concerned about friction on this 
                                  approach, but some axle grease might                                 help.
                                  
                                  Paul
                                  Camas, WA
                                  XL through 20 hours of phase I testing
                                  
                                  
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                                  > I just noted what I consider excess                                 play in the top rudder bearing in my                                 CH601XL. It seems the design assumes the                                 metal bushing on the AN3 bolt will not                                 move against the mounting plates on the                                 rudder.
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                                  > I plan to fix it with a slightly                                 over sized bushing and hole but I wonder                                 if many others have noted this.
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                                  > Rotec TBI 40-3 carb
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				 Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: rudder bearing play | 
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				I am now part way through a repair. I am replacing the original bearings with precision ball bearings. These are McMaster Carr number 57155K16 and are 3/16 ID, 5/16 OD with an extended center shaft. 
 
 The biggest part of this is to open the 1/4 inch holes to 5/16. There appears to be enough metal to do this. The hole is first enlarged to 19/64 then reamed out to 0.3115 to make it a tight fit. 
 
 The bolts may need to be sanded a bit with 400 paper to fit the bearing. If the holes the bolts seat in have been enlarged, (as mine were). they can be opened up to 1/4 inch and a spacer can be made out of bearing material (6391K124). Also a spacer will need to be made to take up the about 0.2 inch space between the top beating and the bracket.
 
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