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All,
I've posted my experience one before in this area. About 2 years ago, I worked closely with Westone to develop a system that would work with our helmets and coms. They have developed a light weight molded speaker system that works with our without your helmet speakers. A mold is taken from your ear, that mold is sent to Westone and a low profile ear plug is produced. Since the mold is from your ear, it fit perfectly and comfortable. I have used these for more than two years now and a number of others has since installed them in their helmets. To illustrate the difference. Before Westones, I would have to turn the volume almost to 100% when in the pattern inorder to hear the tower clearly. With Westons, I routinely have the volume adjusted to about 10 t0 15%. I hear the com radio and music fantastically, while still hearing the aircraft and engine. I believe I can monitor the sound of the engine moreso with the Westones on because it removed much of the high pitch noice. Can't fly without them and quite frankly would not want to. Now flights are less stressful. Below is a link to the company and if wanted I can put you intouch with my local rep that helped develop these. They are used through out the military and now for civilian radio impedances.
My setup includes: HGU-55p with Oragan foam elephant ears, and standard TPL lining.
http://www.westone.com/military/military-introduction
Larry Pine
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Subject: Re: Re: helmets
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Date: Sunday, January 8, 2012, 1:06 PM
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The length of the Clarity Aloft earpiece is greater than the CEP's on the market, and can be uncomfortable for longer than thirty minutes when squeezed under a helmet. The helmet places constant pressure on the long earpiece. I have used this combo several times in loud warbirds.
Rick VOLKER
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On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:49 PM, "Markus" <feyerabm(at)web.de (feyerabm(at)web.de)> wrote:
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While we are at helmets... A slightly off-topic question, but I´m curious to know if anyone has any experience wearing a Clarity Aloft headset "inside" an HGU-55? Would there be issues with the small box of the headset, where the cable exits the headband in the neck, with the nape strap or neck edge-roll of the helmet? I´m familiar with the CEP, but I´m currently thinking to buy myself a Clarity Aloft and use it together with an "empty" helmet (no microphone, not speakers etc) for aerobatics and the headset without the helmet for non-aerobatic type of flying.
Any advice appreciated.
Markus
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I have the same arrangement as Larry with a HGU-55 helmet. The combination of the Westone molded ear piece system and the Oregon Aero mod is nothing less than perfect for what we do with Yaks and CJs.
Warren Hill
On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Larry Pine wrote:
[quote]All,
I've posted my experience one before in this area. About 2 years ago, I worked closely with Westone to develop a system that would work with our helmets and coms. They have developed a light weight molded speaker system that works with our without your helmet speakers. A mold is taken from your ear, that mold is sent to Westone and a low profile ear plug is produced. Since the mold is from your ear, it fit perfectly and comfortable. I have used these for more than two years now and a number of others has since installed them in their helmets. To illustrate the difference. Before Westones, I would have to turn the volume almost to 100% when in the pattern inorder to hear the tower clearly. With Westons, I routinely have the volume adjusted to about 10 t0 15%. I hear the com radio and music fantastically, while still hearing the aircraft and engine. I believe I can monitor the sound of the engine moreso with the Westones on because it removed much of the high pitch noice. Can't fly without them and quite frankly would not want to. Now flights are less stressful. Below is a link to the company and if wanted I can put you intouch with my local rep that helped develop these. They are used through out the military and now for civilian radio impedances.
My setup includes: HGU-55p with Oragan foam elephant ears, and standard TPL lining.
http://www.westone.com/military/military-introduction
Larry Pine
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The length of the Clarity Aloft earpiece is greater than the CEP's on the market, and can be uncomfortable for longer than thirty minutes when squeezed under a helmet. The helmet places constant pressure on the long earpiece. I have used this combo several times in loud warbirds.
Rick VOLKER
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:49 PM, "Markus" <feyerabm(at)web.de (feyerabm(at)web.de)> wrote:
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While we are at helmets... A slightly off-topic question, but I´m curious to know if anyone has any experience wearing a Clarity Aloft headset "inside" an HGU-55? Would there be issues with the small box of the headset, where the cable exits the headband in the neck, with the nape strap or neck edge-roll of the helmet? I´m familiar with the CEP, but I´m currently thinking to buy myself a Clarity Aloft and use it together with an "empty" helmet (no microphone, not speakers etc) for aerobatics and the headset without the helmet for non-aerobatic type of flying.
Any advice appreciated.
Markus
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On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:10 AM, Warren Hill <k7wx(at)earthlink.net (k7wx(at)earthlink.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | I have the same arrangement as Larry with a HGU-55 helmet. The combination of the Westone molded ear piece system and the Oregon Aero mod is nothing less than perfect for what we do with Yaks and CJs.
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A less-expensive option:
http://www.cep-usa.com/
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Brian,
The Communications & Ear Protection system is what I had before the Westone system. Did not like it very much. Still had difficulty hearing the radio. It was touted as having superior noise reduction, but I found it lacking in many ways at the noise levels we experience in the CJ. My Lightseed noise reduction headset did a much better job, but would not allow me to wear a helmet.
Warren Hill
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For clarification-Is the Westone molded earpiece a com speaker? Or just an earplug utilizing the existing coms of the helmet?
It appears the CEP option is an in the ear com device that connects to the helmet coms, bypassing the earcup coms already installed?
Herb
Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
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2641 Development Drive
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A less-expensive option:
http://www.cep-usa.com/
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3191 Western Dr.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:42 am Post subject: helmets (Noise) |
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This is good stuff, guys! I'm just getting to the point of "having" (more like earning the "HONOR") to buy a helmet!
On another note...does anyone have a strong recommendation for parachutes? And I would also like to go w/ cushions as a "Plan B."
Thanks, all!
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Is the Westone molded earpiece a com speaker? Or just an earplug utilizing the existing coms of the helmet?
It appears the CEP option is an in the ear com device that connects to the helmet coms, bypassing the earcup coms already installed?
Herb
Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
drc(at)wscare.com (drc(at)wscare.com)
2641 Development Drive
Green Bay, WI 54311
Cell 920-639-8434
Work 920-338-6868
Fax 920-338-6869
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A less-expensive option:
http://www.cep-usa.com/
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Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com)
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Brian,
The Communications & Ear Protection system is what I had before the Westone system. Did not like it very much. Still had difficulty hearing the radio. It was touted as having superior noise reduction, but I found it lacking in many ways at the noise levels we experience in the CJ. My Lightseed noise reduction headset did a much better job, but would not allow me to wear a helmet.
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Ear hair? You know, as we get older that damed ear hair gets tougher and can keep the expanding foam earpiece from sealing in the ear canal. I am guessing that it may be different for different people.
One way to find out is if silicone foam earplugs work. If they do, then the CEP earphones should work too.
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3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
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Speak for yourself Brian. Ear hair?
I tried the CEP product and it did not really work all that well for what we do, in spite of what the web site says. I was disappointed.
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Brian,
The Communications & Ear Protection system is what I had before the Westone system. Did not like it very much. Still had difficulty hearing the radio. It was touted as having superior noise reduction, but I found it lacking in many ways at the noise levels we experience in the CJ. My Lightseed noise reduction headset did a much better job, but would not allow me to wear a helmet.
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Ear hair? You know, as we get older that damed ear hair gets tougher and can keep the expanding foam earpiece from sealing in the ear canal. I am guessing that it may be different for different people.
One way to find out is if silicone foam earplugs work. If they do, then the CEP earphones should work too.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com)
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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Herb,
The electronics that drive the helmet speakers also drive the custom fit earpieces / earphones. The helmet speakers still work, which serves as something of a backup. This is one reason why I also had the Oregon Aero mod done as well. The combination of isolation of the external ear and isolation of the internal ear allows you to both hear and protects against damaging noise levels at 120 dB, or higher.
Regarding price, this is one area where I think that doing things right makes a huge difference. Some of the CJ and Yak droves that I know obsess and spend money on nuances, but ignore some of the more important things. Being able to comfortably hear fellow aircraft, the tower, ATIS, etc., sure seems like something important to me. I echo Larry's comments... personally, I would not consider flying without this. Safety of the military helmet and comfortable audio in spite of an exceptionally high noise environment. Minimal equipment for safe flying these noisy warbirds in my opinion.
BTW, I can still hear pretty well with my noise-cancelling headphones, but flying without a helmet is probably not a good idea, as many have said before.
Warren Hill
On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Herb Coussons wrote:
[quote]For clarification-Is the Westone molded earpiece a com speaker? Or just an earplug utilizing the existing coms of the helmet?
It appears the CEP option is an in the ear com device that connects to the helmet coms, bypassing the earcup coms already installed?
Herb
Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
drc(at)wscare.com (drc(at)wscare.com)
2641 Development Drive
Green Bay, WI 54311
Cell 920-639-8434
Work 920-338-6868
Fax 920-338-6869
On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:33 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote:
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| Quote: | I have the same arrangement as Larry with a HGU-55 helmet. The combination of the Westone molded ear piece system and the Oregon Aero mod is nothing less than perfect for what we do with Yaks and CJs.
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A less-expensive option:
http://www.cep-usa.com/
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com)
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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OMG! Next we'll start talking about nose hair and its interference with oxygen flow!!!
Pappy
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Brian,
The Communications & Ear Protection system is what I had before the Westone system. Did not like it very much. Still had difficulty hearing the radio. It was touted as having superior noise reduction, but I found it lacking in many ways at the noise levels we experience in the CJ. My Lightseed noise reduction headset did a much better job, but would not allow me to wear a helmet.
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Ear hair? You know, as we get older that damed ear hair gets tougher and can keep the expanding foam earpiece from sealing in the ear canal. I am guessing that it may be different for different people.
One way to find out is if silicone foam earplugs work. If they do, then the CEP earphones should work too.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com)
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+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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Pappy,
You know that conversation already came up last week!
Larry Pine
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Subject: Re: Re: helmets (Noise)
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OMG! Next we'll start talking about nose hair and its interference with oxygen flow!!!
Pappy
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Brian,
The Communications & Ear Protection system is what I had before the Westone system. Did not like it very much. Still had difficulty hearing the radio. It was touted as having superior noise reduction, but I found it lacking in many ways at the noise levels we experience in the CJ. My Lightseed noise reduction headset did a much better job, but would not allow me to wear a helmet.
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Ear hair? You know, as we get older that damed ear hair gets tougher and can keep the expanding foam earpiece from sealing in the ear canal. I am guessing that it may be different for different people.
One way to find out is if silicone foam earplugs work. If they do, then the CEP earphones should work too.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com)
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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Pappy,
Vibrissae and desiccated mucus in the nasopharynx will most definitely decrease O2 flow through the nose. (aka Buggars). I know you knew that.
;^O))
Doc
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OMG! Next we'll start talking about nose hair and its interference with oxygen flow!!!
Pappy
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Brian,
The Communications & Ear Protection system is what I had before the Westone system. Did not like it very much. Still had difficulty hearing the radio. It was touted as having superior noise reduction, but I found it lacking in many ways at the noise levels we experience in the CJ. My Lightseed noise reduction headset did a much better job, but would not allow me to wear a helmet.
Ear hair? You know, as we get older that damed ear hair gets tougher and can keep the expanding foam earpiece from sealing in the ear canal. I am guessing that it may be different for different people.
One way to find out is if silicone foam earplugs work. If they do, then the CEP earphones should work too.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com)
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Beautiful doc! Can't stop laughing and laughed so hard I had tears in
my eyes.
Dennis
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On 1/9/2012 1:20 PM, Roger Kemp MD wrote:
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Pappy,
Vibrissae and desiccated mucus in the nasopharynx will most definitely
decrease O2 flow through the nose. (aka Buggars). I know you knew that.
;^O))
Doc
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OMG! Next we'll start talking about nose hair and its interference
with oxygen flow!!!
Pappy
In a message dated 1/9/2012 11:43:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brian(at)lloyd.com <mailto:brian(at)lloyd.com> writes:
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Warren Hill <k7wx(at)earthlink.net
<mailto:k7wx(at)earthlink.net>> wrote:
<mailto:k7wx(at)earthlink.net>>
Brian,
The Communications & Ear Protection system is what I had before
the Westone system. Did not like it very much. Still had
difficulty hearing the radio. It was touted as having superior
noise reduction, but I found it lacking in many ways at the noise
levels we experience in the CJ. My Lightseed noise reduction
headset did a much better job, but would not allow me to wear a
helmet.
Ear hair? You know, as we get older that damed ear hair gets
tougher and can keep the expanding foam earpiece from sealing in
the ear canal. I am guessing that it may be different for
different people.
One way to find out is if silicone foam earplugs work. If they do,
then the CEP earphones should work too.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian(at)lloyd.com <mailto:brian(at)lloyd.com>
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
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On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Roger Kemp MD <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)> wrote:
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Pappy,
Vibrissae and desiccated mucus in the nasopharynx will most definitely decrease O2 flow through the nose. (aka Buggars). I know you knew that.
;^O))
Doc
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Just breathe through your mouth.
But I have had difficulty with a number of in-the-ear-canal transducers unsealing and coming out. And it does seem to be related to the fact that I have more hair in my friggin' ears than I do on the top of my head anymore.
And, Doc, I think you meant to say "Boogers," not "Buggars." Just as a hint, they have to do with opposite ends of the alimentary canal. 
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject: helmets (Noise) |
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Doc,
Would extended length of the nasopharynx have an effect?
Pappy
In a message dated 1/9/2012 2:24:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, viperdoc(at)mindspring.com writes:
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Pappy,
Vibrissae and desiccated mucus in the nasopharynx will most definitely decrease O2 flow through the nose. (aka Buggars). I know you knew that.
;^O))
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 11:28 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: helmets (Noise)
OMG! Next we'll start talking about nose hair and its interference with oxygen flow!!!
Pappy
In a message dated 1/9/2012 11:43:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com) writes:
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On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Warren Hill <k7wx(at)earthlink.net (k7wx(at)earthlink.net)> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Warren Hill <k7wx(at)earthlink.net (k7wx(at)earthlink.net)>
Brian,
The Communications & Ear Protection system is what I had before the Westone system. Did not like it very much. Still had difficulty hearing the radio. It was touted as having superior noise reduction, but I found it lacking in many ways at the noise levels we experience in the CJ. My Lightseed noise reduction headset did a much better job, but would not allow me to wear a helmet.
Ear hair? You know, as we get older that damed ear hair gets tougher and can keep the expanding foam earpiece from sealing in the ear canal. I am guessing that it may be different for different people.
One way to find out is if silicone foam earplugs work. If they do, then the CEP earphones should work too.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com)
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA) |
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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They are Buggars when you’re trying to dig them out of the back of the canal with a blunt object ….like a finger! :^O))
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 2:30 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: helmets (Noise)
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Roger Kemp MD <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)> wrote:
Pappy,
Vibrissae and desiccated mucus in the nasopharynx will most definitely decrease O2 flow through the nose. (aka Buggars). I know you knew that.
;^O))
Doc
Just breathe through your mouth.
But I have had difficulty with a number of in-the-ear-canal transducers unsealing and coming out. And it does seem to be related to the fact that I have more hair in my friggin' ears than I do on the top of my head anymore.
And, Doc, I think you meant to say "Boogers," not "Buggars." Just as a hint, they have to do with opposite ends of the alimentary canal.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com)
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
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nelsprague(at)hotmail.com
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Brian I have my jet helmet from my air force days can I modify it for use in the yak? Nels
Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Herb Coussons <drc(at)wscare.com> wrote:
> For clarification-
> Is the Westone molded earpiece a com speaker?
>
Yes.
> Or just an earplug utilizing the existing coms of the helmet?
>
No.
> It appears the CEP option is an in the ear com device that connects to the
> helmet coms, bypassing the earcup coms already installed?
>
Not bypassing them. They are in parallel. You don't disable the stock
earspeakers so the helment/headset will continue to work normally without
the CEP earpieces plugged in.
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Roge… increased volume of the canal with increased number of vibrissae per mm of canal length along with the increased volume of the mass of desiccated mucous means increased resistance to flow. It really becomes a huge buggar to extract then! ( AKA The Woolley Booger)
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 2:55 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: helmets (Noise)
Doc,
Would extended length of the nasopharynx have an effect?
Pappy
In a message dated 1/9/2012 2:24:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com) writes:
| Quote: |
Pappy,
Vibrissae and desiccated mucus in the nasopharynx will most definitely decrease O2 flow through the nose. (aka Buggars). I know you knew that.
;^O))
Doc
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Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 11:28 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: helmets (Noise)
OMG! Next we'll start talking about nose hair and its interference with oxygen flow!!!
Pappy
In a message dated 1/9/2012 11:43:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com) writes:
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On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Warren Hill <k7wx(at)earthlink.net (k7wx(at)earthlink.net)> wrote:
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Brian,
The Communications & Ear Protection system is what I had before the Westone system. Did not like it very much. Still had difficulty hearing the radio. It was touted as having superior noise reduction, but I found it lacking in many ways at the noise levels we experience in the CJ. My Lightseed noise reduction headset did a much better job, but would not allow me to wear a helmet.
Ear hair? You know, as we get older that damed ear hair gets tougher and can keep the expanding foam earpiece from sealing in the ear canal. I am guessing that it may be different for different people.
One way to find out is if silicone foam earplugs work. If they do, then the CEP earphones should work too.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com)
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
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Roger...sigtronics makes a nice mic attachment as well as ear phones. I did my original HGU 55 that way about 10 years ago. Not near the hanger so do not have the parts lists. If you still have your O2 mask, the sigtronics Lectric mic will mount directly in. You need to get the general aviation OHM' d (forgot the exact Ohms- 5?) ear phones. Go to www.gibson-barnes.com and click on helmet communication for the parts you need. They even have the bayonet clip that you can mount you boom mic on and use the bayonet receiver on your helmet without drilling holes in your helmet for the boom mic mount.
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject: helmets (Noise) |
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Gibson-Barnes also has an adapter cable. Assuming you have the standard U-174 connector on the end of your military helmet, you can take out any pre-amp module that might have been in the O2 mask, and using the stock mike and earpieces, the adapter cable will match the impedances and you can use it with the original earpieces and microphone element. It converts the U-174 connector to what is usually used in general aviation, which is the mono headphone male connector, and the standard mike plug.. the nomenclature of which I forget! Sorry.
Anyway, I've tried it, it works.... but I'd recommend doing what the folks below are talking about versus this. Just letting you know it's there.
Mark
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