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wild.blue(at)verizon.net
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 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: Why? |
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Frank,
The answer to your question is that thirty five years ago a guy stuffed an F-86 into a hotel restaurant and killed some innocent folks.
Do something really stupid that hurts pedestrians and people complain and we get rules.
When Soviet jets (armed MiG-21's for under $30K--and some for way under--tanks etc.) started coming in I couldn't believe the Feds were allowing it because I thought they had put the screws to that kind of stuff, foreign and domestic. To be sure, ATF had to get involved, but that was finessed. Sure surprised me. FAA was almost nothing by comparison.
And speaking of stupidity and machine guns--I imported some motor gliders from Czechoslovakia a few years ago. Each required a big container because of the long wings but the containers were nearly empty. A guy I was doing business with in CZ asked if he could put a few "things" in the empty space.
I said no problem. When the containers arrived my customs agent asked for a list of the contents, so I got one from my "friend." The list failed to mention some things I expected to be in there. So, he gives me a second list about ten times as long as the first, which did nothing to cement our "friendship." When I finally get the containers there's a pair of 50 cal in there--not on either list, of course.
If the Customs guys had opened the containers I would still be in prison.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
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johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: Why? |
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Jerry, you might have missed the facts while you were in prison but the accident took place in Sacramento, CA at a Baskin & Robbins Ice Cream parlor on a Sunday. Most of the guests were children.
The pointy heads like to stay with facts. Hope your probation has been served by now – 35 years later. 
John Cox
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Painter
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:51 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Why?
Frank,
The answer to your question is that thirty five years ago a guy stuffed an F-86 into a hotel restaurant and killed some innocent folks.
Do something really stupid that hurts pedestrians and people complain and we get rules.
When Soviet jets (armed MiG-21's for under $30K--and some for way under--tanks etc.) started coming in I couldn't believe the Feds were allowing it because I thought they had put the screws to that kind of stuff, foreign and domestic. To be sure, ATF had to get involved, but that was finessed. Sure surprised me. FAA was almost nothing by comparison.
And speaking of stupidity and machine guns--I imported some motor gliders from Czechoslovakia a few years ago. Each required a big container because of the long wings but the containers were nearly empty. A guy I was doing business with in CZ asked if he could put a few "things" in the empty space.
I said no problem. When the containers arrived my customs agent asked for a list of the contents, so I got one from my "friend." The list failed to mention some things I expected to be in there. So, he gives me a second list about ten times as long as the first, which did nothing to cement our "friendship." When I finally get the containers there's a pair of 50 cal in there--not on either list, of course.
If the Customs guys had opened the containers I would still be in prison.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
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brian
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: Why? |
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John W. Cox wrote:
| Quote: | Jerry, you might have missed the facts while you were in prison but the
accident took place in Sacramento, CA at a Baskin & Robbins Ice Cream
parlor on a Sunday. Most of the guests were children.
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And the rules changes affected what? The boob took off on the short
runway, panicked, and rotated too soon, ensuring that he would never
achieve climb speed. This was pilot-error pure and simple. You just
can't fix that with rules.
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ben(at)designselect.net
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: Why? |
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Greetings,
I recall this event clearly. It was the Golden West Air show at Executive Airport in Sacramento. I was on hand when the ’86 fired up and taxied out. I departed the airport with my dad and older two brothers, passing by the ice cream parlor only a couple minutes prior to the failed departure and crash. I will never forget that day.
There are some fools in aviation. While they are often self-correcting problems, all too often they take someone with them. Even some of the gurus fail to rise to the occasion when things go poorly due to questionable judgment or the illusive mechanical failure. (I am mindful of my friend Art Vance in this regard. I have not the words to express my sadness for his passing.) The worst of bad comes when innocents are injured or killed. I always consider this when I fly. Putting yourself at the bottom of a smoking hole is one thing, placing others there with you is unforgivable! And yet, it will happen to one or more of our friends this year, as it always does.
Sincere, personal responsibility must be the first item on our checklist, every time we consider flying.
Morbidly yours,
Ben Marsh
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Painter
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:33 AM
To: Yak List (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Why?
[b]Frank,[/b]
[b]The answer to your question is that thirty five years ago a guy stuffed an F-86 into a hotel restaurant and killed some innocent folks. [/b]
[b] [/b]
[b]Do something really stupid that hurts pedestrians and people complain and we get rules. [/b]
When Soviet jets (armed MiG-21's for $30K--and some for way less than that--tanks etc.) started coming in I couldn't believe the Feds were allowing it because I thought they had put the screws to that kind of stuff, foreign and domestic. To be sure, ATF had to get involved, but that was finessed. Sure surprised me.
[b]And speaking of stupidity and machine guns--I imported some motor gliders from Czechoslovakia a few years ago. Each required a big container because of the long wings but the containers were nearly empty. A guy I was doing business with in CZ asked if he could put a few "things" in the empty space. I said no problem. When the containers arrived my customs agent asked for a list of the contents, so I got one from my "friend." The list failed to mention some things I expected to be in there. So, he gives me a second list about ten times as long as the first, which did nothing to cement our "friendship." When I finally get the containers there's a pair of 50 cal in there--not on either list, of course. [/b]
[b]If the Customs guys had opened the containers I would still be in prison.[/b]
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ben(at)designselect.net
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: Why? |
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Actually, it was a company call Farrell’s Ice Cream.
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:27 PM
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Jerry, you might have missed the facts while you were in prison but the accident took place in Sacramento, CA at a Baskin & Robbins Ice Cream parlor on a Sunday. Most of the guests were children.
The pointy heads like to stay with facts. Hope your probation has been served by now – 35 years later.
John Cox
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Painter
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:51 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Why?
Frank,
The answer to your question is that thirty five years ago a guy stuffed an F-86 into a hotel restaurant and killed some innocent folks.
Do something really stupid that hurts pedestrians and people complain and we get rules.
When Soviet jets (armed MiG-21's for under $30K--and some for way under--tanks etc.) started coming in I couldn't believe the Feds were allowing it because I thought they had put the screws to that kind of stuff, foreign and domestic. To be sure, ATF had to get involved, but that was finessed. Sure surprised me. FAA was almost nothing by comparison.
And speaking of stupidity and machine guns--I imported some motor gliders from Czechoslovakia a few years ago. Each required a big container because of the long wings but the containers were nearly empty. A guy I was doing business with in CZ asked if he could put a few "things" in the empty space.
I said no problem. When the containers arrived my customs agent asked for a list of the contents, so I got one from my "friend." The list failed to mention some things I expected to be in there. So, he gives me a second list about ten times as long as the first, which did nothing to cement our "friendship." When I finally get the containers there's a pair of 50 cal in there--not on either list, of course.
If the Customs guys had opened the containers I would still be in prison.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
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fish(at)aviation-tech.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:12 am Post subject: Why? |
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All,
I also remember that day (growing up in Sacramento). I have several friends
with shops in the local area of the airport, and attended aviation maintenance
courses (Sac City Collage A&P progam) at the airport.
Here is a better explantion of the events of that day.
http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/Sabrejet_crash_site.htm
http://www.sacbee.com/static/archive/news/projects/people_of_century/century_special/farrells.html
Fly Safe
John Fischer
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Greetings,
I recall this event clearly. It was the Golden West Air show at Executive
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| Quote: | Airport in Sacramento. I was on hand when the '86 fired up and taxied out.
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| Quote: | I departed the airport with my dad and older two brothers, passing by the
ice cream parlor only a couple minutes prior to the failed departure and
crash. I will never forget that day.
There are some fools in aviation. While they are often self-correcting
problems, all too often they take someone with them. Even some of the gurus
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| Quote: | fail to rise to the occasion when things go poorly due to questionable
judgment or the illusive mechanical failure. (I am mindful of my friend Art
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| Quote: | Vance in this regard. I have not the words to express my sadness for his
passing.) The worst of bad comes when innocents are injured or killed. I
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| Quote: | always consider this when I fly. Putting yourself at the bottom of a
smoking hole is one thing, placing others there with you is unforgivable!
And yet, it will happen to one or more of our friends this year, as it
always does.
Sincere, personal responsibility must be the first item on our checklist,
every time we consider flying.
Morbidly yours,
Ben Marsh
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Painter
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:33 AM
To: Yak List (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Why?
Frank,
The answer to your question is that thirty five years ago a guy stuffed an
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| Quote: | F-86 into a hotel restaurant and killed some innocent folks.
Do something really stupid that hurts pedestrians and people complain and we
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| Quote: | get rules.
When Soviet jets (armed MiG-21's for $30K--and some for way less than
that--tanks etc.) started coming in I couldn't believe the Feds were
allowing it because I thought they had put the screws to that kind of stuff,
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| Quote: | foreign and domestic. To be sure, ATF had to get involved, but that was
finessed. Sure surprised me.
And speaking of stupidity and machine guns--I imported some motor gliders
from Czechoslovakia a few years ago. Each required a big container because
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| Quote: | of the long wings but the containers were nearly empty. A guy I was doing
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| Quote: | business with in CZ asked if he could put a few "things" in the empty space.
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| Quote: | I said no problem. When the containers arrived my customs agent asked for
a
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| Quote: | list of the contents, so I got one from my "friend." The list failed to
mention some things I expected to be in there. So, he gives me a second
list about ten times as long as the first, which did nothing to cement our
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| Quote: | "friendship." When I finally get the containers there's a pair of 50 cal in
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| Quote: | there--not on either list, of course.
If the Customs guys had opened the containers I would still be in prison.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
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