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Bob Turner
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Location: Castro Valley, CA
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 Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject: Garmin competition |
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Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever since they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced their latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also offering a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
At last, some competition for Garmin!
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: Garmin competition |
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The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the trigger and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much committed in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon system , Garmin SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S transponder. I have the Dynon servo's installed but am more than willing to take a $$ hit and replace them GRT. I wonder about the GPS updates and their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks to bringing this up Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Garmin competition
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever since they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced their latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also offering a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
At last, some competition for Garmin!
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject: Garmin competition |
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Remember the key is the DB updates as they go on forever.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Garmin competition
The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the trigger and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much committed in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon system , Garmin SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S transponder. I have the Dynon servo's installed but am more than willing to take a $$ hit and replace them GRT. I wonder about the GPS updates and their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks to bringing this up Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
Subject: Garmin competition
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever since they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced their latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also offering a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
At last, some competition for Garmin!
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: Garmin competition |
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I have dual Dynons and they have been great! good company and they address issues that develop. I would get on the Dynon forum and let them know, as others have commented on the GRT as well http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1332975573 let Dynon know you are ready to drop the servos and go GRT if they don’t step up and keep up wih the GRT. Many have asked for IFR however and Dynon has clearly stated they don’t plan to go that route.
Pascal
From: davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net (davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net)
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Garmin competition
The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the trigger and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much committed in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon system , Garmin SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S transponder. I have the Dynon servo's installed but am more than willing to take a $$ hit and replace them GRT. I wonder about the GPS updates and their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks to bringing this up Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
Subject: Garmin competition
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever since they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced their latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also offering a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
At last, some competition for Garmin!
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372382#372382= - List Contribution Web Site ; &nb======================
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:47 am Post subject: Garmin competition |
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If you decide to stay with the Dynon, they have a Mode S transponder
that works with the EFIS and ADSB for much less than the Garmin 330.
With the money you save you could upgrade to a Garmin GTN650 GPS. That
is about what I am looking at very soon. I looked and didn't see any
mention of a GPS on Grand Rapids web site. Their current iteration of
EFIS looks like a big improvement from what they offered a couple
years ago.
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The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the trigger and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much committed in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon system , Garmin SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S transponder. I have the Dynon servo's installed but am more than willing to take a $$ hit and replace them GRT. I wonder about the GPS updates and their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks to bringing this up Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
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From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
Subject: Garmin competition
Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever since they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced their latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also offering a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
At last, some competition for Garmin!
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:30 am Post subject: Garmin competition |
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I have the dual SkyView install with the Dynon XPDR and Garmin GTN-650. I
fully recommend the SkyView and associated XPDR. The 650 however is not
what I wanted, just want I was left with after I exhausted all other
options. I would have much preferred an updated GX-60 and SL-30 combo (at
half the cost of a 650), but Garmin killed such options, leaving us with
just the grossly overpriced 650 and similar.
My concern is that the customer base for this part of the avionics market is
so narrow that no new competitor will risk jumping into it.
Carl
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 4:01 am Post subject: Garmin competition |
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Hey Carl,
Is this what you wanted? Dual SkyViews, Full Apollo stack - SL15, SL30, GX60, SL70, and I threw in a Garmin 696....
Do not archive
-Mike Kraus
RV-10 - Flying
Frantically trying to finish fiberglass before my paint date June 1.....
Sent from my iPhone
On May 5, 2012, at 7:29 AM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> wrote:
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I have the dual SkyView install with the Dynon XPDR and Garmin GTN-650. I
fully recommend the SkyView and associated XPDR. The 650 however is not
what I wanted, just want I was left with after I exhausted all other
options. I would have much preferred an updated GX-60 and SL-30 combo (at
half the cost of a 650), but Garmin killed such options, leaving us with
just the grossly overpriced 650 and similar.
My concern is that the customer base for this part of the avionics market is
so narrow that no new competitor will risk jumping into it.
Carl
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Kelly McMullen
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Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 5:48 am Post subject: Garmin competition |
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Unfortunately the Avidyne 540 and the King 770 aren't expected out
until at least the end of this year, if not later. I would seriously
consider either one if they were available now.
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Carl Froehlich
<carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> wrote:
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I have the dual SkyView install with the Dynon XPDR and Garmin GTN-650. I
fully recommend the SkyView and associated XPDR. The 650 however is not
what I wanted, just want I was left with after I exhausted all other
options. I would have much preferred an updated GX-60 and SL-30 combo (at
half the cost of a 650), but Garmin killed such options, leaving us with
just the grossly overpriced 650 and similar.
My concern is that the customer base for this part of the avionics market is
so narrow that no new competitor will risk jumping into it.
Carl
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napolin(at)me.com
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: Garmin competition |
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I have the A dual screen GRT system on order. I started out with Dynon then switched to Garmin G3X and ended up with GRT. At the current prices they are offering the system it looks to me like a bargain compared to the others. They will be offering the remote transponder for about 2K a remote audio panel for about 1K and a remote waas gps for about 4.5K. They tell me these will be ready in July. By theway my screens are shipping this week. This allows one to actually get 3 big screens up front if desired with everything else mounted remotely.. Additionally you can put an androis tablet on the console that can control everything through wifi if you dont want to use the main screen. I havent finalized my setup as I allready have a GTN650 and have to decide on where to place it.
For comparison a second HXr screen is $3600 vs about $3400 for Dynon but the GRT screen is larger with higher resolution and has wifi and arinc 429 built in so you end up with two for backup. It also has an autopilot that can fly a vertically coupled approach.
If I sound excited about GRT its because I believe they just raised the bar for everyone and I am not connected to them in any way.
Nikolaos Napoli
On May 5, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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If you decide to stay with the Dynon, they have a Mode S transponder
that works with the EFIS and ADSB for much less than the Garmin 330.
With the money you save you could upgrade to a Garmin GTN650 GPS. That
is about what I am looking at very soon. I looked and didn't see any
mention of a GPS on Grand Rapids web site. Their current iteration of
EFIS looks like a big improvement from what they offered a couple
years ago.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM, <davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net> wrote:
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> The more I look into this the better it sounds. I am about to pull the trigger and order up my panel within the next month and had pretty much committed in my mind to an IFR panel with an independent dual 10" Dynon system , Garmin SL30, Garmin 430W , Garmin audio panel and mode S transponder. I have the Dynon servo's installed but am more than willing to take a $$ hit and replace them GRT. I wonder about the GPS updates and their availability/costs? Anyway's,,,,thanks to bringing this up Bob,------------Now I have another decision to make!
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> David Clifford
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> RV-10 Builder
> Howell, MI
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> From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:30:35 AM
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> Garmin has had a virtual monopoly on the IFR certified GPS market ever since they were allowed to buy UPS (Apollo) Avionics. GRT has just announced their latest EFIS, the HXr. But I think the real news is that GRT is also offering a remote IFR certified GPS, for less than a G-400.
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> At last, some competition for Garmin!
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> RV-10 QB
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