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sstearns2(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: gap seals

I put gap seals on the ailerons, trim tabs, and flaps of my TR-1.  I am not sure if the flap gap seals are doing much, maybe a small drag reduction.  The aileron gap seals noticably reduced control forces and increase my roll control.  I recommend them for the aileron at least.  I used the 35mm gap seal for the aileron and flap.



I got them from this guy...



http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page28.htm



I ordered the 78 mm gap seals for the tail feathers but I have not installed them yet.  I think there is a noticable drag reduction to be had with gap seals on the elevator and rudder.



Cheers,



Scott

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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 4:22 am Post subject: gap seals

On a similar note I started using Bowlus "glider tape" also known as "speed tape" for the small gaps where the wing/fuselage connect, where the wing tips connect to the wings and underneath the fuselage to cover the different inspection panel gaps. With the tape I show a 2kts increase in IAS.

   

I ordered 3 rolls of the 2" size since I knew I was going to mess up a little until I figured out how to do it correctly. BUT I would up selling one roll to a friend qith an RV-4 and still have one roll left over. Here is a link to where I got it:

   

http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/bowlus.htm

 

Galin

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Scott Stearns <sstearns2(at)yahoo.com (sstearns2(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

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 I put gap seals on the ailerons, trim tabs, and flaps of my TR-1.  I am not sure if the flap gap seals are doing much, maybe a small drag reduction.  The aileron gap seals noticably reduced control forces and increase my roll control.  I recommend them for the aileron at least.  I used the 35mm gap seal for the aileron and flap.

   

 I got them from this guy...

 

 http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page28.htm

 

 I ordered the 78 mm gap seals for the tail feathers but I have not installed them yet.  I think there is a noticable drag reduction to be had with gap seals on the elevator and rudder.

 

 Cheers,

 

 Scott

 

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ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 7:37 am Post subject: gap seals

Hi Scott,



Did you put the seal on the bottom only? Do you have a photo of your 

instillation you could send? What tape did you use?



Thanks, Tim

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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:05 am Post subject: gap seals

Hi Tim,

 

I just put tape between the hinges on the side with the hinges.   I also had to trim about a 1/4 inch off the flap gap seal since the whistled with the flaps down.  I attached with gap seals with double sided tape and single sided tape running from the skin up over the gap seal as for anti peel.  I just followed what the website said to do.  I used the double and single sided tape from the website.  Not the cheapest, but it is high quality tape.  I attached a picture of the flap gap seal before I trimed them.

 

Scott

      

  From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com>

 To: kis-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:36 AM

 Subject: Re: gap seals

  

 

 --> KIS-List message posted by: "F. Tim Yoder" <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com (ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com)>



Hi Scott,



Did you put the seal on the bottom only? Do you have a photo of your instillation you could send? What tape did you use?



Thanks, Tim

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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:07 am Post subject: gap seals

Hi Scott, 

     I remember Vance Jaqua used to say the KIS had a distinctive whistle     when it was in the landing configuration.  He said you could always     tell when a KIS was coming in for a landing.   Your comment just     reminded me of that.  

     Larry  

     

     On 5/31/2012 9:00 AM, Scott Stearns wrote:     [quote]                Hi Tim,

          

         I just put tape between the hinges on the side with             the hinges.   I also had to trim about a 1/4 inch off the             flap gap seal since the whistled with the flaps down.  I             attached with gap seals with double sided tape and single             sided tape running from the skin up over the gap seal as for             anti peel.  I just followed what the website said to do.  I             used the double and single sided tape from the website.  Not             the cheapest, but it is high quality tape.  I attached a             picture of the flap gap seal before I trimed them.

          

         Scott

         

         

                                   From: F. Tim                 Yoder <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com> (ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com)

                 To:                 kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com) 

                 Sent:                 Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:36 AM

                 Subject:                 Re: gap seals

                

             

             --> KIS-List message posted by: "F. Tim Yoder" <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com (ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com)>

             

             Hi Scott,

             

             Did you put the seal on the bottom only? Do you have a photo             of your instillation you could send? What tape did you use?

             

             Thanks, Tim

             

             

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ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:33 am Post subject: gap seals

Scott,

  

From your experience, I think doing my ailerons for the  reduced control force would be desirable.

  

 If you have extra gap seal, 15 yd. roll seems like  allot, would you like to sell me enough for my ailerons?

  

 Tim

 [quote]   -----

      Hi Tim,

    

   I just put tape between the hinges on the side with the    hinges.   I also had to trim about a 1/4 inch off the flap gap seal    since the whistled with the flaps down.  I attached with gap seals with    double sided tape and single sided tape running from the skin up over the gap    seal as for anti peel.  I just followed what the website said to    do.  I used the double and single sided tape from the website.  Not    the cheapest, but it is high quality tape.  I attached a picture of the    flap gap seal before I trimed them.

    

   Scott

       



            

From: F. Tim Yoder    <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com>

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com 

Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:36    AM

Subject: Re: gap    seals

--> KIS-List message posted by: "F. Tim Yoder"    <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com (ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com)>



Hi    Scott,



Did you put the seal on the bottom only? Do you have a photo of    your instillation you could send? What tape did you use?



Thanks,    Tim

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sstearns2(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:58 am Post subject: gap seals

Just send me your address and I will send you some.  Not enough money to worry about and  I would like to see if you have the same results.

 

Scott

sstearns2(at)yahoo.com (sstearns2(at)yahoo.com)

      

  From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com>

  To: kis-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:33 AM

 Subject: Re: gap seals

  

 

           

  

   

 Scott,

  

From your experience, I think doing my ailerons for the  reduced control force would be desirable.

  

 If you have extra gap seal, 15 yd. roll seems like  allot, would you like to sell me enough for my ailerons?

  

 Tim

 [quote]   -----

      Hi Tim,

    

   I just put tape between the hinges on the side with the    hinges.   I also had to trim about a 1/4 inch off the flap gap seal    since the whistled with the flaps down.  I attached with gap seals with    double sided tape and single sided tape running from the skin up over the gap    seal as for anti peel.  I just followed what the website said to    do.  I used the double and single sided tape from the website.  Not    the cheapest, but it is high quality tape.  I attached a picture of the    flap gap seal before I trimed them.

    

   Scott

       



            

From: F. Tim Yoder    <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com>

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com 

Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:36    AM

Subject: Re: gap    seals

--> KIS-List message posted by: "F. Tim Yoder"    <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com (ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com)>



Hi    Scott,



Did you put the seal on the bottom only? Do you have a photo of    your instillation you could send? What tape did you use?



Thanks,    Tim

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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject: gap seals

Galin.hernandez(at)dhs.gov (Galin.hernandez(at)dhs.gov)



On Thursday, May 31, 2012, Scott Stearns  wrote:

[quote] Just send me your address and I will send you some.  Not enough money to worry about and  I would like to see if you have the same results.

  

Scott

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  From: F. Tim Yoder <[url=javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com');]ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com[/url]>

  To: [url=javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'kis-list(at)matronics.com');]kis-list(at)matronics.com[/url] 

 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:33 AM

  Subject: Re: gap seals

  

 

           

  

   

 Scott,

  

From your experience, I think doing my ailerons for the  reduced control force would be desirable.

  

 If you have extra gap seal, 15 yd. roll seems like  allot, would you like to sell me enough for my ailerons?

  

 Tim

 [quote]   -----

      Hi Tim,

    

   I just put tape between the hinges on the side with the    hinges.   I also had to trim about a 1/4 inch off the flap gap seal    since the whistled with the flaps down.  I attached with gap seals with    double sided tape and single sided tape running from the skin up over the gap    seal as for anti peel.  I just followed what the website said to    do.  I used the double and single sided tape from the website.  Not    the cheapest, but it is high quality tape.  I attached a picture of the    flap gap seal before I trimed them.

    

   Scott

       



            

From: F. Tim Yoder    <[url=javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com');]ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com[/url]>

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 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:36    AM

Subject: Re: KIS-List: gap    seals

--> KIS-List message posted by: "F. Tim Yoder"    <[url=javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com');]ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com[/url]>



Hi    Scott,



Did you put the seal on the bottom only? Do you have a photo of    your instillation you could send? What tape did you use?



Thanks,    Tim

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