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trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Greetings list  

   

Now that I’m beginning the fuselage, I need to check if I have everything to be incorporated in it.  

   

So, to help me figure that out, will you please list which extras (not included in Van’s kit) did you use in your fuselage?  

Parking brake valve or flap positioning system come to my mind.  

   

Best   

Carlos  

   

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Extras in Fuselage

Before riveting the baggage floor you'll need to pull wires (or lay conduit). Put in extras or allow for pulling more, people always underestimate how many they'll need.

_________________
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB

trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Thanks Bob  

   

I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?  

   

However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.  

   

Carlos  

   

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rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Carlos,

I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.

Warm regards from Oz



Patrick

On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:

[quote]               

Thanks Bob  

   

I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?  

   

However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.  

   

Carlos  

   

[quote] --

Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Extras in Fuselage

I ran wires under the baggage floor but not under the passengers feet. I went down the sides from the passenger seats forward.

_________________
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB

larkrv10(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Carlos, I installed the tunnel access kit from www.airward.com. He also has a few other items worth considering.

 

Rick

#40956

Southampton, Ont

 



On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:

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Greetings list  

   

Now that I’m beginning the fuselage, I need to check if I have everything to be incorporated in it.  

   

So, to help me figure that out, will you please list which extras (not included in Van’s kit) did you use in your fuselage?  

Parking brake valve or flap positioning system come to my mind.  

   

Best   

Carlos  

   

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mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:30 pm Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Re antennas, it's a good thing to get settled sooner than later.  If you plan on 2 commas, the fuse bottom is the place to put them.  One will naturally go under the baggage floor which will become inaccessible soon.  You can get a second along with a tpxr antenna under the front seats... But that is easily accessible whenever.  I would recommend against a wing tip comm antenna

rv10rob(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake.



-Rob



On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au (rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au)> wrote:

 [quote]Carlos,

I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.

 



Warm regards from Oz



Patrick

On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:

 



[quote]             

Thanks Bob  

   

I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?  

   

However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.  

   

Carlos  

   

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trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:58 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Thanks Patrick  

   

It gets hot here in southern Europe as well, so the overhead console is an option I must consider. Did you use any after market console or did you role your own? Any pictures?  

The hatches seem also a good idea. Do you have any pictures of those?  

   

Warm regards from Portugal  

Carlos  

   

           

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis

 Sent: sábado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 1:30

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage  

  

     

Carlos,  

    

   

    

I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.  

    



 

 Warm regards from Oz    

   

    

Patrick  

  

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trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:59 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Yeah, that seems to be the best way to pass wires and other stuff   

   

Carlos  

   

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trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:03 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Thanks Rick  

   

I’ll check those.  

   

Carlos  

   

           

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark

 Sent: sábado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 2:49

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Extras in Fuselage  

  

     

Carlos, I installed the tunnel access kit from www.airward.com. He also has a few other items worth considering.  

    

   

    

Rick  

    

#40956  

    

Southampton, Ont  

    

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:      

Greetings list  

   

Now that I’m beginning the fuselage, I need to check if I have everything to be incorporated in it.  

   

So, to help me figure that out, will you please list which extras (not included in Van’s kit) did you use in your fuselage?  

Parking brake valve or flap positioning system come to my mind.  

   

Best   

Carlos  

  

  

  

  

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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:08 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never had a parking brake either.  For me it was just added cost, complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....



-Mike Kraus



Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> wrote:



[quote] Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake

trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:38 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Thanks Bill  

   

Please find comments and additional questions below  

           

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson

 Sent: sábado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 3:30

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage  

  

     

Re antennas, it's a good thing to get settled sooner than later.  If you plan on 2 commas, the fuse bottom is the place to put them.  One will naturally go under the baggage floor which will become inaccessible soon.  You can get a second along with a tpxr antenna under the front seats... But that is easily accessible whenever.  I would recommend against a wing tip comm antenna.  

Ok, seems logic to install belly antennas before closing down any floor panels. But how did you manage the exterior painting? Tape masking the antennas?  

And how about the ELT antenna? Did you put it inside or in the upper surface of the tail cone?  

    

   

    

FPS, check.  Parking break, check  

Which FPS? The electro-mechanic 3-position one or the electronic one (with trim compensation) from “Aircraft Extras”?  

    

   

    

I have a lot of electrical and avionics stuff.  Two conduits is not quite enough.  I suggest wiring as much as you with the baggage floor open (the Vans electrical plan is a good one to follow for basic electricals).  Then leave some open conduit for after the floor is closed.  For example, I have 2 batts, strobe pwr, dual GRT AHRS, NavWorx ADSB, ELT plus pitch trim and AP.  Some other items to consider are rear seat audio jacks, static line, and a cig lighter power jack for all those portables.  

Ok, I think I will go with 3 conduits…

 

 I used 2 Vans hatch kits (same as hatch for stall warning assembly) to provide access to the step structure (probably overkill).   

Which exactly are these hatch kits?  

   

I used extra Vans strobe pwr mounts for my ELT and ADSB units.  The Vans AHRS mount kit was used too.  

Good, I still have the one I bought for my -9A and didn’t use  

    

   

    

On an unrelated note re the stall warning system in the wing.   I flew the first 100 hours with it disconnected.  Never missed it.  Finally hooked it up and flew another 100 hours.  It's very nice to have it just as an extra data point for the flare.  

    

   

    

Bill Watson  

    



 Sent from my iPad  

    



 

   

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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:44 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Some thoughts:

<![if !supportLists]>-          <![endif]>I used the Van’s parking brake and recommend it.  I mounted it under the bulkhead between the panel and firewall so that a reach under the panel provides access.  I did not use the Van’s Parking Brake Install Kit as there is no need for a control cable as you move the park lever by hand. This provides a simple but effective arrangement.

<![if !supportLists]>-          <![endif]>I put in 6 wire conduits, three running down each side of the fuselage.  I ended up filling 5 of the six.  I used the Van’s 1” corrugated conduit.  I have both EFIS modules mounted in the tail cone (thus you add pitot, static and AOA tubing runs) and an independent two battery electrical system.

<![if !supportLists]>-          <![endif]>Antennas must be accessible when done.  I mounted both communication antennas under the tunnel, one forward of the other but both aft of the fwd bell crank.  The transponder is under the passenger seat and I’ll mount the ADSB antenna under the pilot seat.  The nav/ILS antenna is homebrew and mounted in the wingtip.  ELT antenna is under the empennage fairing.  All antennas perform well.  Strongly recommend you defer the fuselage antenna mount site selections until after you first fit up of control surface push tubes and such.  This will tell you where you can and cannot mount the antennas.  For paint I just put a piece of masking tape on the inside, then did the final antenna mount after paint.  Antenna doubler plates of course were riveted before paint.

<![if !supportLists]>-          <![endif]>I did not install the stall warning and glassed over the associated wing slot.  Two reasons – the Dynon SkyView has a very effective AOA system with audio warning, and over 10 years flying the 8A without a stall warning and never finding the need for one as the airplane itself provides a lot of stall warning.

 

Carl

 

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 8:36 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage

 

Thanks Bill

 

Please find comments and additional questions below

 



From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Bill Watson

Sent: sábado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 3:30

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage



 

Re antennas, it's a good thing to get settled sooner than later.  If you plan on 2 commas, the fuse bottom is the place to put them.  One will naturally go under the baggage floor which will become inaccessible soon.  You can get a second along with a tpxr antenna under the front seats... But that is easily accessible whenever.  I would recommend against a wing tip comm antenna.

Ok, seems logic to install belly antennas before closing down any floor panels. But how did you manage the exterior painting? Tape masking the antennas?

And how about the ELT antenna? Did you put it inside or in the upper surface of the tail cone?



 



FPS, check.  Parking break, check

Which FPS? The electro-mechanic 3-position one or the electronic one (with trim compensation) from “Aircraft Extras”?



 



I have a lot of electrical and avionics stuff.  Two conduits is not quite enough.  I suggest wiring as much as you with the baggage floor open (the Vans electrical plan is a good one to follow for basic electricals).  Then leave some open conduit for after the floor is closed.  For example, I have 2 batts, strobe pwr, dual GRT AHRS, NavWorx ADSB, ELT plus pitch trim and AP.  Some other items to consider are rear seat audio jacks, static line, and a cig lighter power jack for all those portables.

Ok, I think I will go with 3 conduits…



I used 2 Vans hatch kits (same as hatch for stall warning assembly) to provide access to the step structure (probably overkill). 

Which exactly are these hatch kits?

 

I used extra Vans strobe pwr mounts for my ELT and ADSB units.  The Vans AHRS mount kit was used too.

Good, I still have the one I bought for my -9A and didn’t use



 



On an unrelated note re the stall warning system in the wing.   I flew the first 100 hours with it disconnected.  Never missed it.  Finally hooked it up and flew another 100 hours.  It's very nice to have it just as an extra data point for the flare.



 



Bill Watson

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:37 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Well, you must never park on a slope or find gas pumps on a slope. I've 

used parking brake on every aircraft I've owned, and wished a 

non-functioning one was working when had to have lineboy insert chock 

before I could release brakes to get out. Weight, leaks, you haven't 

looked at the Matco kit or are joking. Cost, yes, worth it, yes. You can 

worry a LOT more about the crappy nylon brake lines Vans supplies before 

being concerned about the parking brake leaking.

If you do very much cross country flying, it won't be long before you 

find ramp areas with a slope.

As for overhead console, Geoff sells a very nice, and expensive one made 

of carbon fiber.  There are cheaper alternatives, but probably not a 

better thought out and better fitting one.



On 9/29/2012 5:04 AM, Michael Kraus wrote:

[quote] I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never 

 had a parking brake either.  For me it was just added cost, 

 complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....



 -Mike Kraus



 Sent from my iPhone



 On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com 

 <mailto:rv10rob(at)gmail.com>> wrote:



> Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I 

> have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had 

> a parking brake.

>

> -Rob

>

> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis 

> <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au <mailto:rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>> wrote:

>

>     Carlos,

>

>     I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require

>     more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted

>     access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the

>     fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the

>     floors.

>     Warm regards from Oz

>

>     Patrick

>

>     On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt

>     <mailto:trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>> wrote:

>

>>     Thanks Bob

>>

>>     I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big

>>     conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the

>>     baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?

>>

>>     However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was

>>     referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking

>>     brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.

>>

>>     Carlos

>>

>>     > --

_________________
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD

rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:16 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Carlos, I am installing a fibreglass overhead console which is what I purchased some time ago. If I had my time again, I'd purchase the carbon fibre equivalent from Geoff Coombs at Aerosport Designs.  I'm also installing Geoff's carbon fibre instrument panel, side panels, centre console and throttle quadrant cover.

I've also fitted some tie down points in the baggage bay; installed access hatches to gain access to the step bolts (coupled with increasing the bolt size from AN-3 to AN-4 and fitting an aluminium block in the step tube, same diameter as the tube through which he bolt passes o prevent the tube from being crushed when the fixing bolt is tightened).

Someone sent you a reply re the access hatches in the tunnel to get access to the fuel pump and filter.

I also installed Teflon and brake fuel lines to replace the aluminium tubing, which I thought would fail when operating from rough airstrips.

I've also installed a second battery adjacent to the first at the rear.

I'll be installing white/red, touch light LED's in the overhead console, which can be dimmed.  These are made by AVEO.



Warm regards



Patrick

On 29/09/2012, at 7:27 PM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:

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Thanks Patrick  

   

It gets hot here in southern Europe as well, so the overhead console is an option I must consider. Did you use any after market console or did you role your own? Any pictures?  

The hatches seem also a good idea. Do you have any pictures of those?  

   

Warm regards from Portugal  

Carlos  

   

           

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis

 Sent: sÃ¡bado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 1:30

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage  

  

     

Carlos,  

    

   

    

I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.  

    



 

 Warm regards from Oz    

   

    

Patrick  

  

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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:14 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light and relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.



Robin



From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Extras in Fuselage



I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never had a parking brake either.  For me it was just added cost, complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....



-Mike Kraus



Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com<mailto:rv10rob(at)gmail.com>> wrote:

Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake.



-Rob

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au<mailto:rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>> wrote:

Carlos,



I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.

Warm regards from Oz



Patrick



On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt<mailto:trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>> wrote:



Thanks Bob



I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?



However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.



Carlos



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Geez, I wouldn't maybe go that far....I've never had

a parking brake in my RV-10, and only missed not having

one maybe 2 times in 900 hours, 49 states, and 4

countries of flying.  I wouldn't say it's THAT

necessary.  There are a lot of other things I'd

prioritize before that.  But as all of these little

detail items go, it's personal preference, and your

needs may differ and your mileage may vary.



I'd go with the overhead console though, because that

is one thing I wish I had.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

On 9/29/2012 9:35 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

[quote] 



 Well, you must never park on a slope or find gas pumps on a slope. I've

 used parking brake on every aircraft I've owned, and wished a

 non-functioning one was working when had to have lineboy insert chock

 before I could release brakes to get out. Weight, leaks, you haven't

 looked at the Matco kit or are joking. Cost, yes, worth it, yes. You can

 worry a LOT more about the crappy nylon brake lines Vans supplies before

 being concerned about the parking brake leaking.

 If you do very much cross country flying, it won't be long before you

 find ramp areas with a slope.

 As for overhead console, Geoff sells a very nice, and expensive one made

 of carbon fiber.  There are cheaper alternatives, but probably not a

 better thought out and better fitting one.



 On 9/29/2012 5:04 AM, Michael Kraus wrote:

> I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never

> had a parking brake either.  For me it was just added cost,

> complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....

>

> -Mike Kraus

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com

> <mailto:rv10rob(at)gmail.com>> wrote:

>

>> Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I

>> have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had

>> a parking brake.

>>

>> -Rob

>>

>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis

>> <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au <mailto:rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>> wrote:

>>

>>     Carlos,

>>

>>     I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require

>>     more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted

>>     access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the

>>     fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the

>>     floors.

>>

>>

>>     Warm regards from Oz

>>

>>     Patrick

>>

>>     On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt

>>     <mailto:trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>> wrote:

>>

>>>     Thanks Bob

>>>

>>>     I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big

>>>     conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the

>>>     baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?

>>>

>>>     However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was

>>>     referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking

>>>     brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.

>>>

>>>     Carlos

>>>

>>>     > --

rv10flyer(at)live.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:28 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time was to  hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the brake would  have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.

 I am glad I installed mine. I use it!

    

  From: Robin Marks (robin(at)painttheweb.com) 

 Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage

  



   

I enjoy having my  Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light and relatively  inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion. 

  

Robin 

    

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael  Kraus

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: Extras in  Fuselage



 

   

I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and  I've never had a parking brake either.  For me it was just added cost,  complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak  paths....

  

 

  

-Mike Kraus



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On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM,  Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)>  wrote:

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Just to represent the other side of the parking brake    question, I have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I    had a parking brake.      

 

      

-Rob      

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au (rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au)> wrote:         

Carlos,

      

 

      

I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you    require more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access    hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and    consider antenna placement before you close up the  floors.

      

Warm regards from Oz      

 

      

Patrick



            



On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM,    "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:

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Thanks      Bob     

      

I      already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do they      have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way      through the instrument panel?     

      

However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was      referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or      some cockpit lights, or something else.     

      

Carlos     

      

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 Before riveting the      baggage floor you'll need to pull wires (or lay conduit). Put      in     

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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:35 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage

Thanks Tim  

   

Can you please tell which were the “things” you did put in yours?  

   

Carlos  

   

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