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Harv

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:35 am Post subject: CJ6 primer

Gents



Fuelled my CJ for the first time last week since import in 2006.



Fuel lines primed and the engine has run (with an awful oil leak from behind the prop dome) but the primer handle is sooooo stiff it takes all the might you have to move it.



Any ideas what causes this or if the seals inside it can be changed?



Rgs

dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:07 am Post subject: CJ6 primer

Order a set of prop seals from Doug and replace the ones in the prop hub 

piston.  Most likely the old ones are simply deteriorated.



Assuming you do mean the primer pump on the right side by your elbow,  

there is one seal inside which can be replaced.  I'm sure Doug has them 

in stock as well.  Remove the knurled nut below the primer and turn the 

knob to the left or right as if you were going to prime the engine.  You 

can then extract the primer pump from the female end which remains 

affixed to the console.  Disassemble the primer pump plunger by removing 

the screw in the center of the knob and slide everything off the 

plunger, including the old seal.  Reverse the procedure to reassemble 

and install in the female end.



Dennis



A. Dennis Savarese

334-285-6263

334-546-8182 (mobile)

www.yak-52.com

Skype - Yakguy1



On 10/15/2012 10:35 AM, Harv wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Gents



 Fuelled my CJ for the first time last week since import in 2006.



 Fuel lines primed and the engine has run (with an awful oil leak from behind the prop dome) but the primer handle is sooooo stiff it takes all the might you have to move it.



 Any ideas what causes this or if the seals inside it can be changed?



 Rgs





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385364#385364

rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:35 am Post subject: CJ6 primer

You have to be substantially familiar w/ an aircraft to spit out specifics like that.

  

 How many of you think Dennis should get some kinda PLAQUE? All those in favor, say "Aye!" Talk about the "man w/ the plan." I will never forget disassembling my newly-purchased Yak ALONE and outdoors on a chilly November Saturday last November at Flying W and hitting a "wall" w/ the process as I pondered the early dusk and the nearly 1200 miles I had to drag the thing back. After about a 90 second call to Dr. Dennis I was on my way once again w/ the tools he specified (as well as sizes and physical positioning) and the "wall" was gone. I'm sure I don't need to say this to anyone, but there's a BIG difference between a "know-it-all" and someone who honestly knows it all. There are some mighty helpful people on this list, but - in my book - Dennis takes the cake! Thanks, Dennis - for ALL you do!

 



 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:04 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>

 

Order a set of prop seals from Doug and replace the ones in the prop hub piston.  Most likely the old ones are simply deteriorated.



Assuming you do mean the primer pump on the right side by your elbow,  there is one seal inside which can be replaced.  I'm sure Doug has them in stock as well.  Remove the knurled nut below the primer and turn the knob to the left or right as if you were going to prime the engine.  You can then extract the primer pump from the female end which remains affixed to the console.  Disassemble the primer pump plunger by removing the screw in the center of the knob and slide everything off the plunger, including the old seal.  Reverse the procedure to reassemble and install in the female end.

 

Dennis



A. Dennis Savarese

334-285-6263

334-546-8182 (mobile)

www.yak-52.com

Skype - Yakguy1   



On 10/15/2012 10:35 AM, Harv wrote:

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Gents



Fuelled my CJ for the first time last week since import in 2006.



Fuel lines primed and the engine has run (with an awful oil leak from behind the prop dome) but the primer handle is sooooo stiff it takes all the might you have to move it.

 

Any ideas what causes this or if the seals inside it can be changed?



Rgs





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tigeryak18t

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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:48 am Post subject: CJ6 primer

I say Aye

I agree with you

Not only Dennis but he particularly has got a special mention from us in Paris - France because he is always eager to help.

Thanks Dennis thanks so much.



Didier Blouzard+33(0)6 5184 4802

Le 15 oct. 2012 Ã  20:33, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us (rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us)> a Ã©crit :

[quote]You have to be substantially familiar w/ an aircraft to spit out specifics like that.

  

 How many of you think Dennis should get some kinda PLAQUE? All those in favor, say "Aye!" Talk about the "man w/ the plan." I will never forget disassembling my newly-purchased Yak ALONE and outdoors on a chilly November Saturday last November at Flying W and hitting a "wall" w/ the process as I pondered the early dusk and the nearly 1200 miles I had to drag the thing back. After about a 90 second call to Dr. Dennis I was on my way once again w/ the tools he specified (as well as sizes and physical positioning) and the "wall" was gone. I'm sure I don't need to say this to anyone, but there's a BIG difference between a "know-it-all" and someone who honestly knows it all. There are some mighty helpful people on this list, but - in my book - Dennis takes the cake! Thanks, Dennis - for ALL you do!

 



 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:04 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>

 

Order a set of prop seals from Doug and replace the ones in the prop hub piston.  Most likely the old ones are simply deteriorated.



Assuming you do mean the primer pump on the right side by your elbow,  there is one seal inside which can be replaced.  I'm sure Doug has them in stock as well.  Remove the knurled nut below the primer and turn the knob to the left or right as if you were going to prime the engine.  You can then extract the primer pump from the female end which remains affixed to the console.  Disassemble the primer pump plunger by removing the screw in the center of the knob and slide everything off the plunger, including the old seal.  Reverse the procedure to reassemble and install in the female end.

 

Dennis



A. Dennis Savarese

334-285-6263

334-546-8182 (mobile)

www.yak-52.com

Skype - Yakguy1   



On 10/15/2012 10:35 AM, Harv wrote:

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Gents



Fuelled my CJ for the first time last week since import in 2006.



Fuel lines primed and the engine has run (with an awful oil leak from behind the prop dome) but the primer handle is sooooo stiff it takes all the might you have to move it.

 

Any ideas what causes this or if the seals inside it can be changed?



Rgs





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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:57 am Post subject: CJ6 primer

Your are way to kind Rico.

Dennis



A. Dennis Savarese

334-285-6263

334-546-8182 (mobile)

www.yak-52.com

Skype - Yakguy1



On 10/15/2012 1:33 PM, Rico Jaeger wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   You have to be substantially familiar w/ an aircraft to spit out 

 specifics like that.

 How many of you think Dennis should get some kinda PLAQUE? All those 

 in favor, say "Aye!" Talk about the "man w/ the plan." I will never 

 forget disassembling my newly-purchased Yak ALONE and outdoors on a 

 chilly November Saturday last November at Flying W and hitting a 

 "wall" w/ the process as I pondered the early dusk and the nearly 1200 

 miles I had to drag the thing back. After about a 90 second call to 

 Dr. Dennis I was on my way once again w/ the tools he specified (as 

 well as sizes and physical positioning) and the "wall" was gone. I'm 

 sure I don't need to say this to anyone, but there's a BIG difference 

 between a "know-it-all" and someone who honestly *knows it all*. There 

 are some mighty helpful people on this list, but - in my book - Dennis 

 takes the cake! Thanks, Dennis - for ALL you do!



 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:04 PM, A. Dennis Savarese 

 <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>> wrote:



     

     <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>>



     Order a set of prop seals from Doug and replace the ones in the

     prop hub piston.  Most likely the old ones are simply deteriorated.



     Assuming you do mean the primer pump on the right side by your

     elbow,  there is one seal inside which can be replaced.  I'm sure

     Doug has them in stock as well.  Remove the knurled nut below the

     primer and turn the knob to the left or right as if you were going

     to prime the engine.  You can then extract the primer pump from

     the female end which remains affixed to the console.  Disassemble

     the primer pump plunger by removing the screw in the center of the

     knob and slide everything off the plunger, including the old seal.

      Reverse the procedure to reassemble and install in the female end.



     Dennis



     A. Dennis Savarese

     334-285-6263

     334-546-8182 (mobile)

     www.yak-52.com <http://www.yak-52.com/>

     Skype - Yakguy1

     On 10/15/2012 10:35 AM, Harv wrote:



         

         <mailto:martin.harvey(at)kbr.com>>



         Gents



         Fuelled my CJ for the first time last week since import in 2006.



         Fuel lines primed and the engine has run (with an awful oil

         leak from behind the prop dome) but the primer handle is

         sooooo stiff it takes all the might you have to move it.



         Any ideas what causes this or if the seals inside it can be

         changed?



         Rgs





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 General Music / Mann



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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:00 am Post subject: CJ6 primer

:-[



A. Dennis Savarese

334-285-6263

334-546-8182 (mobile)

www.yak-52.com

Skype - Yakguy1



On 10/15/2012 1:46 PM, Didier BLOUZARD wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I say Aye

 I agree with you

 Not only Dennis but he particularly has got a special mention from us 

 in Paris - France because he is always eager to help.

 Thanks Dennis thanks so much.



 Didier Blouzard

 +33(0)6 5184 4802



 Le 15 oct. 2012 à 20:33, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us 

 <mailto:rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us>> a écrit :



> You have to be substantially familiar w/ an aircraft to spit out 

> specifics like that.

> How many of you think Dennis should get some kinda PLAQUE? All those 

> in favor, say "Aye!" Talk about the "man w/ the plan." I will never 

> forget disassembling my newly-purchased Yak ALONE and outdoors on a 

> chilly November Saturday last November at Flying W and hitting a 

> "wall" w/ the process as I pondered the early dusk and the nearly 

> 1200 miles I had to drag the thing back. After about a 90 second call 

> to Dr. Dennis I was on my way once again w/ the tools he specified 

> (as well as sizes and physical positioning) and the "wall" was gone. 

> I'm sure I don't need to say this to anyone, but there's a BIG 

> difference between a "know-it-all" and someone who honestly *knows it 

> all*. There are some mighty helpful people on this list, but - in my 

> book - Dennis takes the cake! Thanks, Dennis - for ALL you do!

>

> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:04 PM, A. Dennis Savarese 

> <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>> wrote:

>

>     

>     <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>>

>

>     Order a set of prop seals from Doug and replace the ones in the

>     prop hub piston.  Most likely the old ones are simply deteriorated.

>

>     Assuming you do mean the primer pump on the right side by your

>     elbow,  there is one seal inside which can be replaced.  I'm sure

>     Doug has them in stock as well.  Remove the knurled nut below the

>     primer and turn the knob to the left or right as if you were

>     going to prime the engine.  You can then extract the primer pump

>     from the female end which remains affixed to the console.

>      Disassemble the primer pump plunger by removing the screw in the

>     center of the knob and slide everything off the plunger,

>     including the old seal.  Reverse the procedure to reassemble and

>     install in the female end.

>

>     Dennis

>

>     A. Dennis Savarese

>     334-285-6263

>     334-546-8182 (mobile)

>     www.yak-52.com <http://www.yak-52.com/>

>     Skype - Yakguy1

>     On 10/15/2012 10:35 AM, Harv wrote:

>

>         

>         <mailto:martin.harvey(at)kbr.com>>

>

>         Gents

>

>         Fuelled my CJ for the first time last week since import in 2006.

>

>         Fuel lines primed and the engine has run (with an awful oil

>         leak from behind the prop dome) but the primer handle is

>         sooooo stiff it takes all the might you have to move it.

>

>         Any ideas what causes this or if the seals inside it can be

>         changed?

>

>         Rgs

>

>

>         Read this topic online here:

>

>         http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385364#385364

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>         target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List

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>         target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com

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>         ================================

> -- 

> Rico Jaeger

> Choir / East High

> General Music / Mann

>

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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:17 pm Post subject: CJ6 primer

Put some oil on it.  "Mouse Milk" or something similar.  You will  need to do this occasionally anyway.  Try that first.

  

 Jim "Pappy" Goolsby 

  

  In a message dated 10/15/2012 11:56:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  martin.harvey(at)kbr.com writes:

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Gents



Fuelled my CJ for the first    time last week since import in 2006.



Fuel lines primed and the engine    has run (with an awful oil leak from behind the prop dome) but the primer    handle is sooooo stiff it takes all the might you have to move it.



Any    ideas what causes this or if the seals inside it can be    changed?



Rgs





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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:29 pm Post subject: CJ6 primer

Based on what he said it has been sitting for 6 years.  So spend $5-6 

and replace the darn thing. It's probably dry-rotted anyway.  He's got 

to order a new seal kit for the prop hub.  So why not just include the 

primer pump flat o-ring too?

Dennis



A. Dennis Savarese

334-285-6263

334-546-8182 (mobile)

www.yak-52.com

Skype - Yakguy1



On 10/15/2012 4:14 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Put some oil on it.  "Mouse Milk" or something similar. You will need 

 to do this occasionally anyway.  Try that first.

 Jim "Pappy" Goolsby

 In a message dated 10/15/2012 11:56:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 

 martin.harvey(at)kbr.com writes:



     



     Gents



     Fuelled my CJ for the first time last week since import in 2006.



     Fuel lines primed and the engine has run (with an awful oil leak

     from behind the prop dome) but the primer handle is sooooo stiff

     it takes all the might you have to move it.



     Any ideas what causes this or if the seals inside it can be changed?



     Rgs





     Read this topic online here:



     http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385364#385364

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Harv

Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Posts: 172

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:00 am Post subject: Re: CJ6 primer

Gents



Thanks for the input. 



 Yes i meant the engine fuel primer. I do think i have a seal kit from Doug already on the shelf so i'll pull the thing appart as per Dennis's instructions and replace it. Wlll also lubricate upon re-assembly. Not sure what mouse milk is    but I have some white grease I could use.



The prop seals were replaced, upon further inspection the leak seems to be coming from the root of prop blades (not the dome seal). 



Rgs

dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: CJ6 primer

Are you absolutely certain the inner prop piston seal was correctly 

installed when you replaced them? If you pull the prop hub dome and 

piston and look inside the hub, do you see oil lying inside the hub?  If 

there is oil inside the hub, either the small, inside seal was put in 

backwards or the oil is leaking in to the hub from the back end 

(threaded end) of the oil tube.  The inside of the hub should be dry.  

No oil whatsoever.



Did you replace the blade collett seals?  These seals are located on the 

inside of the large castellated nuts on the side of the hub.  You must 

unscrew the blades, remove the counterweight clamps and remove the large 

castellated nut on each side.  Then remove, clean and repack the large 

bearings, the race for the inside bearing and the slider.  The seals are 

usually in the hub seal kit.



Dennis



A. Dennis Savarese

334-285-6263

334-546-8182 (mobile)

www.yak-52.com

Skype - Yakguy1



On 10/16/2012 6:00 AM, Harv wrote:

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 Gents



 Thanks for the input.



   Yes i meant the engine fuel primer. I do think i have a seal kit from Doug already on the shelf so i'll pull the thing appart as per Dennis's instructions and replace it. Wlll also lubricate upon re-assembly. Not sure what mouse milk is    but I have some white grease I could use.



 The prop seals were replaced, upon further inspection the leak seems to be coming from the root of prop blades (not the dome seal).



 Rgs





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barryhancock

Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Posts: 285

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: CJ6 primer

While I agree that the seal probably could use replacing based on the stated information, also remember that the collar nut that secures the assembly effects how much friction is on the primer.  If it is gorilla tight, it can certainly make the primer a bugger to operate.  Make sure that has proper tension, also.



Happy Flying,



Barry

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Harv

Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Posts: 172

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:54 am Post subject: Re: CJ6 primer

UPDATE 



Barry you called it. I checked the top nut on the primer at the weekend and it was sooooo tight and once loosened and tightened by hand (not gorilla grips) the primer works lovely!



Thanks



Now how to stop the oil leak from the generator base gaskets?!



Rgs

barryhancock

Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Posts: 285

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:45 am Post subject: Re: CJ6 primer

I'm thrilled to hear it was an easy fix!  Now, the other side of this equation is that if the collar nut is too loose, the primer will leak fuel.  Just FYI...



It's 22 degrees with a white blanket as far as they eye can see here.  Beautiful, but not exactly Stearman weather....



Happy Flying to those of you in warmer climes!



Barry

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