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dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

http://www.egyptian.net/~raymacke/Cbnskif27.htm



Here is an interesting article from a person using Caswell epoxy tank sealer 

and ethanol fuel.



Don Smythe

occom(at)ns.sympatico.ca
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

Since the damage caused by ethanol is irreversable and apparently 

unavoidable if using Mogas. It might be worthwhile to start considering 

using LL100 Avgas. It will increase service requirements on most Rotax 

engines but that appears to be the better choice. The FAA has already get 

the EPA and other agencies from messing with Avgas, and they are looking for 

lead free avgas formulas. It's highly unlikely they'll allow ethanol into 

Avgas.

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dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

At near $2.00 per gallon difference between 100LL and Auto fuel it won' take 

long to have new Ethanol proof fuel tanks made of gold or silver.  I would 

ask which is the greatest danger to a Rotax 2 stroke, 100LL or Auto gas w/ 

ethanol???  This question has probably been raised before but, I missed it.



Don Smythe

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wliles(at)bayou.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

Avid used to routinely run their 582 powered demo aircraft on 100LL when 

flying from show to show.  That included from Idaho to Florida.  Plugs 

got replaced at 20 hrs.



Jerry



Don Smythe wrote:



[quote] 



 At near $2.00 per gallon difference between 100LL and Auto fuel it 

 won' take long to have new Ethanol proof fuel tanks made of gold or 

 silver.  I would ask which is the greatest danger to a Rotax 2 stroke, 

 100LL or Auto gas w/ ethanol???  This question has probably been 

 raised before but, I missed it.



 Don Smythe

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Glenn Horne

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 96

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

You can't use  mogas anymore. It has ethanol in it. We don't even

sell it at the Suffolk, Airport anymore.

Glenn

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dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

Glenn,

    I live about 30 miles to your North and Ethanol has not reached us yet.



Don Smythe

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aeromer(at)ix.netcom.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

A serious problem with the ethanol in fuel is that it will disolve Mil Spec 6000 rubber hoses!

This happened to me several years ago almost causing a fire in my hangar.  Ethanol does not effect SAE auto fuel lines but it eats up the Mil Spec pure rubber items.  I sent samples to the FAA and never heard a word back!



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asq1(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

We have friend here who gave me a piece of totally closed MIL6000. He landed 

his Kitfox in a field nearby. Lucky guy.    Larry

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Glenn Horne

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 96

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

You live next door to the refinery and you mean to

tell me you don't have  10% ethanol in all gas over in gennie.

Glenn

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dwight purdy

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 85

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

At present there is less than a dollar difference and that is 87 octane vs 

100LL. I buy 87 and mix with 100LL. Do not know how long I can get it minus 

ethanol as the corn state of Indiana has e-plants popping up everywhere.



                                Dwight

At 11:51 AM 6/4/2006 -0400, you wrote:



[quote]



At near $2.00 per gallon difference between 100LL and Auto fuel it won' 

take long to have new Ethanol proof fuel tanks made of gold or silver.  I 

would ask which is the greatest danger to a Rotax 2 stroke, 100LL or Auto 

gas w/ ethanol???  This question has probably been raised before but, I 

missed it.



Don Smythe

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dwight purdy

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 85

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

In Indiana they have not posted on the pumps for years the 10% ethanol 

stickers. They do not have to post unless more than 10%.

  Ther is a very good article in last months Kitplanes on the Future of 

100LL and mogas.



          Dwight



At 05:01 PM 6/4/2006 -0400, you wrote:



[quote]



Glenn,

    I live about 30 miles to your North and Ethanol has not reached us yet.



Don Smythe

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smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

I hear WalMart is now considering selling ethanol fuel

at their stores.  It is expanding.... and some drivers

will have problems too.  My old Dodge Caravan loved to

run on the higher octane 10% stuff until the fuel pump

and filter failed.  Nothing like raising the hood to

see fuel spraying all over your running engine.



kurt S.



--- dwight purdy <dpurdy(at)comteck.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   At present there is less than a dollar difference

 and that is 87 octane vs 

 100LL. I buy 87 and mix with 100LL. Do not know how

 long I can get it minus 

 ethanol as the corn state of Indiana has e-plants

 popping up everywhere.

 

                                 Dwight


	


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janderson412(at)hotmail.c
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

Gee you lucky US folk must have cheap mogas....NZ 100LL is cheaper than 

mogas but still expensive..$NZ1.60 per litre..John A.

From: dwight purdy <dpurdy(at)comteck.com>

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:08:10 -0400

At present there is less than a dollar difference and that is 87 octane vs 

100LL. I buy 87 and mix with 100LL. Do not know how long I can get it minus 

ethanol as the corn state of Indiana has e-plants popping up everywhere.

                                Dwight

At 11:51 AM 6/4/2006 -0400, you wrote:

[quote]

At near $2.00 per gallon difference between 100LL and Auto fuel it won' 

take long to have new Ethanol proof fuel tanks made of gold or silver.  I 

would ask which is the greatest danger to a Rotax 2 stroke, 100LL or Auto 

gas w/ ethanol???  This question has probably been raised before but, I 

missed it.

Don Smythe

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smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

I paid $2.71 a gallon today for 87 Octane.  High test

for the plane is a bit more.  Don't know the 100LL

right now.



Some locals claim that they will be out of flying at

$5.00 per gallon - their breaking point?



My understanding, though I haven't confirmed it, is

that the Wright Bros paid about $2.50/gal back then. 

Gas and things that ran on it were a lot more rare in

'03.  But then 12 HP didn't burn as much either,

especially when a cross country was 600+ feet.



kurt S.



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--- John Anderson <janderson412(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Gee you lucky US folk must have cheap mogas....NZ

 100LL is cheaper than 

 mogas but still expensive..$NZ1.60 per litre..John

 A.


	


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janderson412(at)hotmail.c
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

You have a way of puttting a delightful slant on things seeming negitive 

Kurt....love it..John

From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220(at)yahoo.com>

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:06:07 -0700 (PDT)




<smokey_bear_40220(at)yahoo.com>



I paid $2.71 a gallon today for 87 Octane.  High test

for the plane is a bit more.  Don't know the 100LL

right now.



Some locals claim that they will be out of flying at

$5.00 per gallon - their breaking point?



My understanding, though I haven't confirmed it, is

that the Wright Bros paid about $2.50/gal back then.

Gas and things that ran on it were a lot more rare in

'03.  But then 12 HP didn't burn as much either,

especially when a cross country was 600+ feet.



kurt S.



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--- John Anderson <janderson412(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



 > Gee you lucky US folk must have cheap mogas....NZ

 > 100LL is cheaper than

 > mogas but still expensive..$NZ1.60 per litre..John

 > A.



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smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel

Thanks John,



20 years in the Marine Corps?  16 years at UPS?  I had

lots of negatives in my life and learned to deal with

them.  I learned to be responsible.  Take control. 

Look for the bright side to it all.  Ha ha.  Sure!



Then I look at my taxes......  Gas is cheap in

comparison and the biggest profit on it still goes to

the government.



Even though I drive 200 miles one way to work, the

cost of gas is a relatively small negative for me.  I

take control of it by driving a 2000 Olds van that

gets 30+ mpg.  Then I go to work one day and stay for

2 weeks.  Drive back.  Cost $20/ week to drive to/from

work.



It is my play time that cost!  



Kurt S.



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--- John Anderson <janderson412(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   You have a way of putting a delightful slant on

 things seeming negitive Kurt....love it..John


	


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