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William Halverson
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 Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject: Skidding on glassy water |
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SES students are taught not to try to judge it at all ... you are looking off to the side at the trees and you just let the plane fly itself onto the lake ... when you do it right you see the splash and feel a slight deceleration.
Glassy lake landings can be very disorienting ...
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tigeryak18t
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject: Skidding on glassy water |
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I wish I can stay an immature joker as long as my short life allows me. There are too many serious matter on this earth to be considered even if you don't want to.
Finally amount these harmless jokes you have your serious answer.
This List is just fantastic.
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Le 23 oct. 2012 à 22:32, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h(at)shaw.ca> a écrit :
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This is again a very good example
of pack mentality on this list.
Some immature jokers make fun of a
serious posting and people join in like
sheep - and I thought you are pros.
For those who can read and understand
English, nobody has ever mentioned
tricycle undercarriage or the intention
to try the almost impossible.
The other day I have watched a pilot
(flying a tail-dragger) on YouTube who
suffered an engine failure and was able
to slow down his ditching by skidding on
the water surface. Needless to say he
didn't flip over and he survived without
a scratch.
cheers
Elmar
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dougsappllc(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: Skidding on glassy water |
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Elmar,I posted the NASA info on tire hydroplaining in hopes that all interested would take time to read it. Once read the reader would discover that the tire will actually form a wedge of water in front of it and will stop all by itself.
Rather it's best to apply brakes when doing a water assisted beach landing is up the PIC but I personally do not, because your are already tail high, there is simply far to much chance of being to heavy on the brakes when you hit the beach. If you back out of the power to soon and settle into say a 12 to 18 inches of water, even with 35 inch tires you may go on your back if your on the brakes even a little bit. This fellow almost does exactly that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21El16OPZoc&feature=fvwrel
Watch the color and reflection on the tires on the link below, you can see them turn (become wet) as he rolls onto the water surface.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0fByofsZvo
Hope this answers your questions AND maybe opens a few eyes to the fact that there is a whole other world of flying out there, which is equally (may be more) demanding than formation flying. but as they say "one mans punch is another man's poison". But if you are an adrenalin junky give it a try, it's a blast.
As to rather I would ditch a CJ gear up or gear down, it would be gear up without question.
Best from Omak,
Doug
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h(at)shaw.ca (samira.h(at)shaw.ca)> wrote:
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h(at)shaw.ca (samira.h(at)shaw.ca)>
This is again a very good example
of pack mentality on this list.
Some immature jokers make fun of a
serious posting and people join in like
sheep - and I thought you are pros.
For those who can read and understand
English, nobody has ever mentioned
tricycle undercarriage or the intention
to try the almost impossible.
The other day I have watched a pilot
(flying a tail-dragger) on YouTube who
suffered an engine failure and was able
to slow down his ditching by skidding on
the water surface. Needless to say he
didn't flip over and he survived without
a scratch.
cheers
Elmar
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:43 pm Post subject: Skidding on glassy water |
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Richard;
Not particularly difficult assuming you have a reasonable distance ahead of
you. If you have a shoreline or other reference visible let down to
approx. 100 ft or less (depending on the available reference). Set up a
slightly nose up power descent of 75 FPM at your desired touch down speed
and hold that until contact. If on floats, full up elevator and idle power
on contact. If a boat read the POH. If wheels probably slight but timely
up elevator and increase power -- Don't know for sure, have not done that!
But did watch the video of the SA Harvard group many times. Very impressive
and well worth watching if still available on U tube.
Walt
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keithmckinley
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Skidding on glassy water |
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really! this is being discussed....
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Pete Fowler
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Skidding on glassy water |
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Here's a video of the T-6s doing it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgkKP_fDsKc
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Pete Fowler
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Skidding on glassy water |
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Oops! Didn't see someone had already posted it...d'oh...it's a re-run.
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