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dean.psiropoulos(at)veriz
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

I'm taking a poll:



What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics today?  I

am planning on putting two power outlets in, one is the cigarette lighter

plug. I thought I'd use one of the smaller common power jacks for a second

source as well.  Good idea or should I just put in another cigarette lighter

plug?



Audio input jacks for my stereo audio panel...again what is the most popular

style of stereo plug used in portable electronics today?  I'm guessing it's

the mini plug like that used on computer speakers but not sure.  



Dean Psiropoulos

RV-6A N197DM

Still a few holes needed in panel.

gholland(at)gemini-resour
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

Dean Hi! From UK



I have standard Cigarette Lighter type 12V Auxiliary. May put another in or

with care use dual input adapter occasionally. The people I know who have

fitted the very neat 12V socket have always had to make up an adapter to the

12V auxiliary type! I've limited my in-line fuse to 3 Amps.



For audio into Intercom I using the mini plug and socket. Works really well

into my PS 500.



Regards



Gerry



G-FIZY

craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

 	  Quote: 	
		  > What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics today?


	


I worried about the same problem as I designed my panel. The funny thing

about the small DC coaxial power jacks (like Radio Shack's 274-1563) is that

they are designed for the device receiving the power, not sourcing it. There

is the center post, a gap and the surrounding metal ring. There is not much

to prevent a stray piece of metal bridging the two contacts. What you want

is something like a panel-mounted version of the plugs at the end of the

cords on your typical AC adapter/brick. But then you would still need a cord

to go from the panel to the accessory. And there are a lot of different

outside and inside diameters: 3.5/1.1mm, 5mm/2.1mm, 5/2.5mm, 5.5/2.1mm,

5.5/2.5mm, etc.



The biggest problem with the cigarette lighter outlet is their size. So you

could consider placing a smaller connector on the panel whose plug would run

off to an in-line (cord-mounted) lighter outlet. But some of the things that

plug into a lighter outlet are relatively heavy. So the panel connector you

choose had better be fairly robust and lock the plug in - something like a

female version of Radio Shack's 274-002 (if it existed).



In the end I bit the bullet and just found room for two lighter outlets. If

you want a pair of very high quality, locking lighter outlet and plugs take

a look at the SEALINK 12VRC and 12VPG:



http://www.marinco.com/docs/specs/12VRC.pdf



The whole product line is at http://tinyurl.com/pcxl4



You can buy these at Del City (www.delcity.net) as PN 73540 and 73542:



http://www.delcity.net/delcity/servlet/catalog?parentid=789160&page=1



(tiny URL http://tinyurl.com/mdfxc)



Or just Google on "sealink 12vrc"



-- Craig

rv8ch

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 250
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:

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		   What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics today?  I

 am planning on putting two power outlets in, one is the cigarette lighter

 plug. I thought I'd use one of the smaller common power jacks for a second

 source as well.  Good idea or should I just put in another cigarette lighter

 plug?


	


I'm not sure about popularity, but I'm installing some of

these in my RV8:



  http://www.powerletproducts.com/



They seem to be used on millions of motorcycles, and

are of much higher quality than the cigar lighter type.



The powerlet products people are also very good folks.



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bferrell(at)123mail.net
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:34 am Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

Where'd you find a bulkhead-style plug?  I"m having trouble locating one.



Brett



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brian

Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 643
Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:04 am Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

On Jun 9, 2006, at 12:26 AM, DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net>



 I'm taking a poll:



 What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics  

 today?


	


The most popular and generally available is the cigarette lighter  

plug but it is big and bulky, a real waste of real estate. But if you  

go away from that you are no longer standard.



But if that doesn't concern you then you can pick and choose. In the  

ham radio world there are some ideas. Take a look at the power  

distribution stuff from West Mountain Radio. Very nicely done for  

being able to plug and unplug 12VDC devices. They fit well with Bob's  

view of power distribution. They even have a neat little module for  

cycle testing batteries for capacity.

Brian Lloyd                         361 Catterline Way

brian-yak AT lloyd DOT com          Folsom, CA 95630

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:14 am Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

Consider these parts also available from Radio Shack . . .



http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/274-010.jpg

http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/274-013.jpg

and



http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Connectors/hh_pwr.jpg



Bob . . .



At 12:48 AM 6/9/2006 -0600, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  

<craig(at)craigandjean.com>



 >> What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics today?



I worried about the same problem as I designed my panel. The funny thing

about the small DC coaxial power jacks (like Radio Shack's 274-1563) is that

they are designed for the device receiving the power, not sourcing it. There

is the center post, a gap and the surrounding metal ring. There is not much

to prevent a stray piece of metal bridging the two contacts. What you want

is something like a panel-mounted version of the plugs at the end of the

cords on your typical AC adapter/brick. But then you would still need a cord

to go from the panel to the accessory. And there are a lot of different

outside and inside diameters: 3.5/1.1mm, 5mm/2.1mm, 5/2.5mm, 5.5/2.1mm,

5.5/2.5mm, etc.



The biggest problem with the cigarette lighter outlet is their size. So you

could consider placing a smaller connector on the panel whose plug would run

off to an in-line (cord-mounted) lighter outlet. But some of the things that

plug into a lighter outlet are relatively heavy. So the panel connector you

choose had better be fairly robust and lock the plug in - something like a

female version of Radio Shack's 274-002 (if it existed).



In the end I bit the bullet and just found room for two lighter outlets. If

you want a pair of very high quality, locking lighter outlet and plugs take

a look at the SEALINK 12VRC and 12VPG:



http://www.marinco.com/docs/specs/12VRC.pdf



The whole product line is at http://tinyurl.com/pcxl4



You can buy these at Del City (www.delcity.net) as PN 73540 and 73542:



http://www.delcity.net/delcity/servlet/catalog?parentid=789160&page=1



(tiny URL http://tinyurl.com/mdfxc)



Or just Google on "sealink 12vrc"



-- Craig



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harley(at)agelesswings.co
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:35 am Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

A little further research on their site shows they also have right angle plugs...another good idea! 

 

 [img]cid:part1.05000604.08090402(at)agelesswings.com[/img]

 

 And if you ABSOLUTELY want to have a device usable in both types of sockets, there is a plug that fits both the cigarette lighter and theirs for $15:

 [img]cid:part2.08040506.03060400(at)agelesswings.com[/img]

 

 Looks like they can supply a means to hook up or adapt anything you want.  Good site!

 

 (And, no.,..I don't have an association with them...just like the ideas!) 

 

 Harley

 

 

 Harley wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		        Thanks, for the link, Mickey...

   

 Now that's what I'm talking about!  Not quite like the RX-8s, but I like 'em! I knew there had to be something out there I liked.

   

   They are smaller than the traditional cigarette socket/plug (which is a good thing for our aircraft, no?), but they also have adapters so you can plug your cigarette lighter plug accessories into their power plugs and not have to wire one of their plugs onto the accessory and then not be able to use it elsewhere! 

   

 Looks like they are my choice.

   

 Go to this page and click on the items in the picture to see all the possible hookups and combinations. 

   

   www.powerletproducts.com/products/ptb.php

   

 Again, nice find, Mickey...These guys think the way I do! 

   

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jschroeder(at)perigee.net
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:10 am Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

Dean -



Based on a whole bunch of wall-warts, cables, and power supplies I have  

around here - and after wiring our airplane, I would recommend using the  

"cigar lighter" type for your power jacks. All cars have them and most  

electronics that have DC sources and made for cars use this type. You can  

always get them. I know, they look like hell and are too big, but until  

the auto/electronics industry start producing another kind, I'd stick with  

those. There is a standard being used on most new airliners these days but  

the jacks and plugs are harder to find. Again, when the electronics  

industry starts producing  the plugs and/or adaptors in quantity ... .



Cheers,



John

On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:26:20 -0400, DEAN PSIROPOULOS  

<dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net>



 I'm taking a poll:



 What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics today?   

 I

 am planning on putting two power outlets in, one is the cigarette lighter

 plug. I thought I'd use one of the smaller common power jacks for a  

 second

 source as well.  Good idea or should I just put in another cigarette  

 lighter

 plug?



 Audio input jacks for my stereo audio panel...again what is the most  

 popular

 style of stereo plug used in portable electronics today?  I'm guessing  

 it's

 the mini plug like that used on computer speakers but not sure.



 Dean Psiropoulos

 RV-6A N197DM

 Still a few holes needed in panel.




	


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pwmac(at)sisna.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:01 am Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

Be aware that the auto store cig lighter receptacles come in various 

non standard sizes. Expect to buy several brands to fit your gadget 

securely. The bad ones are oversized so small vibrations cause the 

thing to become disconnected. Some gadgets came with a plastic sleeve 

to allow fit for an oversized receptacle you might buy. The sometimes 

work, but not always. Sometimes just buying a new end for your gadget 

will allow a better fit. Lots of pitfalls using these things.

Regards, Paul

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At 07:05 AM 6/9/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

<jschroeder(at)perigee.net>

Dean -

Based on a whole bunch of wall-warts, cables, and power supplies I have

around here - and after wiring our airplane, I would recommend using the

"cigar lighter" type for your power jacks. All cars have them and most

electronics that have DC sources and made for cars use this type. You can

always get them. I know, they look like hell and are too big, but until

the auto/electronics industry start producing another kind, I'd stick with

those. There is a standard being used on most new airliners these days but

the jacks and plugs are harder to find. Again, when the electronics

industry starts producing  the plugs and/or adaptors in quantity ... .

Cheers,

John

On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:26:20 -0400, DEAN PSIROPOULOS

<dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net> wrote:

>

><dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net>

>

>I'm taking a poll:

>

>What it the most popular power jack used in portable electronics today?

>I

>am planning on putting two power outlets in, one is the cigarette lighter

>plug. I thought I'd use one of the smaller common power jacks for a

>second

>source as well.  Good idea or should I just put in another cigarette

>lighter

>plug?

>

>Audio input jacks for my stereo audio panel...again what is the most

>popular

>style of stereo plug used in portable electronics today?  I'm guessing

>it's

>the mini plug like that used on computer speakers but not sure.

>

>Dean Psiropoulos

>RV-6A N197DM

>Still a few holes needed in panel.

>

>

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robh(at)hyperion-ef.us
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

The correct (searchable) ACS part number is 11-01294

Best regards,



Rob Housman

A070

Airframe complete

Irvine, CA



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bferrell(at)123mail.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

Thanks, but I was really looking for the audio jacks, for MP3 input in, 

and/or cell-phone interfaces to my PMA8000.  Thanks.



Brett

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rv8ch

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 250
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

 	  Quote: 	
		   They are smaller than the traditional cigarette socket/plug (which is a 

 good thing for our aircraft, no?), but they also have adapters so you 

 can plug your cigarette lighter plug accessories into their power plugs 

 and not have to wire one of their plugs onto the accessory and then not 

 be able to use it elsewhere!

 

 They also have these that are all aluminum for $30:


	


I originally bought the "military style" (PSO-003) connectors,

but I ended up sending them back.  I think they would be fine

on something like a dune buggy or snowmobile or sand rail,

but are severe overkill for the inside of a cockpit.  The

screws tops are hard to get off and on, and the chain

tends to bunch up when you spin the cap.



I sent them back to Powerlet, and they gave me full credit,

and shipped the other model with the flip caps (PSO-001) to

me in Switzerland at their expense.  That's what I meant when

I said they were good people to deal with!



These connectors are small, and there are *tons* of accessories

that use this type of connector in the motorcycle world.  They

have a lot of the same types of requirements we do.  As you

mentioned, there are adapters to the cigar lighter connector,

and a lot of other connectors.



  http://www.powerletproducts.com/products/cables.php



I bought a cigar lighter adapter, and one for the SAE type

cable, which works perfectly with the battery tender.



BTW, I think I learned about these on either this list or

one of the other fine lists I try to read regularly.



-- 

Mickey Coggins

http://www.rv8.ch/

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icubob(at)newnorth.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:48 am Post subject: Power and audio input jacks

hi all, here is another twist to the plug thread. i have a program that 

slaves my palm pilot to a cheap handheld gps. it turns the palm into a hsi 

and has a 15000 point database. the program was $30. amyway, although there 

are a lot of wiring harnesses out there that connect the gps to the palm and 

to external power [cig lighter] i have only found one harness that supplies 

power to both the palm and the gps. the others supply only the gps. the 

''good one'' i found is $90!!. the others are $20. has anyone found a 

harness that powers both the gps and the palm and is not made of GOLD?

                              bob noffs

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