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trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:35 am Post subject: RV-10 Electric system

Hi there



It's time to think about and design the electric system, so can you guys

please tell me which system did you use. 

Did you follow one of Bob Nuckolls architecture systems? Which one?



Yes, I know that I have to do the load analysis.



Regards

Carlos

flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:12 am Post subject: RV-10 Electric system

I found this on the 'net.  Probably a good place to start.  I used it as 

a guide but added lots of things.

Linn



On 5/1/2013 12:35 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote:

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 Hi there



 It's time to think about and design the electric system, so can you guys

 please tell me which system did you use.

 Did you follow one of Bob Nuckolls architecture systems? Which one?



 Yes, I know that I have to do the load analysis.



 Regards

 Carlos

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rleffler

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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:16 am Post subject: RV-10 Electric system

I used a VP/X Pro.   



Even if you don't use a Vertical Power unit, their planning tools can assist you with your load planning.  They have both an online Configurator and an excel spreadsheet.



Their units will speed up your electrical planning and implementation time.

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On May 1, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> wrote:



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 Hi there

 

 It's time to think about and design the electric system, so can you guys

 please tell me which system did you use. 

 Did you follow one of Bob Nuckolls architecture systems? Which one?

 

 Yes, I know that I have to do the load analysis.

 

 Regards

 Carlos

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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:44 am Post subject: RV-10 Electric system

I built two planes w/o using Vertical Power. If I ever build another I hope I don't make the same mistake a third time.



Robin



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:45 am Post subject: RV-10 Electric system

I agree completely. While I am disappointed that VP has somewhat abandoned their focus on electrical systems for a period of time, their VP-X will save you a great deal of time and frustration in planning and wiring your plane. You will be glad you did it. It will also clean up your panel a great deal, because of the elimination of so many breakers and some switches.

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

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On May 1, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> wrote:

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 I used a VP/X Pro.   

 Even if you don't use a Vertical Power unit, their planning tools can assist you with your load planning.  They have both an online Configurator and an excel spreadsheet.

 Their units will speed up your electrical planning and implementation time.

 Sent from my iPad

 On May 1, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> wrote:

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> Hi there

> 

> It's time to think about and design the electric system, so can you guys

> please tell me which system did you use. 

> Did you follow one of Bob Nuckolls architecture systems? Which one?

> 

> Yes, I know that I have to do the load analysis.

> 

> Regards

> Carlos  

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> 

> 

> 

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>

schmoboy

Joined: 26 Feb 2006
Posts: 130

Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:13 am Post subject: RV-10 Electric system

If there's one thing I don't regret when I bought my avionics and did my 

panel early, it was the VP-200.  It's a shame it was discontinued.



Guess that doesn't help you now, but...  It was all Greek to me until I 

read Bob's Aeroelectric Connection book.  Even with having the VP-200 

there's a ton of useful information in there.  Well worth it.



-Sean #40303 (wrapping up FWF)



On 5/1/13 12:43 PM, Robin Marks wrote:

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 I built two planes w/o using Vertical Power. If I ever build another I hope I don't make the same mistake a third time.



 Robin



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rv10flyer(at)live.com
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:47 am Post subject: RV-10 Electric system

Agree with the VP disappointment!

Carlos;

when considering the wiring, consider the "initial" panel and overall 

layout. For example a Dynon Skyview will interface with the VP-X, not sure 

if Garmin will. Layout the landing light, nav light, basically the complete 

layout where everything will go, than consider the wiring required, If you 

go the VP-X route Verticalpower.com has a planning sheet for the VP-X, may 

help you regardless of what you decide to do.



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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:01 am Post subject: RV-10 Electric system

At 11:12 AM 5/1/2013 Wednesday, you wrote:

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If there's one thing I don't regret when I bought my avionics and did my panel early, it was the VP-200.  It's a shame it was discontinued.

-Sean #40303 (wrapping up FWF)

On 5/1/13 12:43 PM, Robin Marks wrote:

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>I built two planes w/o using Vertical Power. If I ever build another I hope I don't make the same mistake a third time.

>

>Robin

I couldn't agree more.  I have a VP-200 system in the RV-8 and in the RV-6 and I couldn't imagine not flying with one.  I've got well over 300 hours on the two systems without a single issue.  The electrical automation that the VP-200 brings to the cockpit is outstanding.  The simplification of wiring can't be understated.  I am also very disappointed that Vertical Power hasn't stayed focused on what they are really good at - electronically controlled aircraft electrical systems.  Hopefully VP will come out with something more akin to the 200 in the future.

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Matt Dralle

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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:35 pm Post subject: RV-10 Electric system

Not sure where the line is drawn between the electrical system 

(electrical power) and the avionics.



I used Bob's Z-14 (Dual alts, dual batts, dual busses) which I 

understand to possibly be overkill but an overkill I've really enjoyed 

flying with.  No modification to his design, just selection of 

components and load balancing.  Used fuses for everything except for 2 

req'd breakers for the regulators, 1 breaker for the AP (it's my 

emergency kill switch), and 1 breaker for the flaps because I thought it 

was a good idea.



I found Van's electrical plan and kit to be a great starting point for 

wire routing and RV10 specific brackets and stuff.



For avionics I used Approach Fast Stack's hub to handle the panel 

interconnections.  If you decide to do your own panel, this is 

definitely a great way to go.



I never broke into the VP stuff but it must be good at the stuff it does.



Bill Watson

On 5/1/2013 12:35 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote:

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 Hi there



 It's time to think about and design the electric system, so can you guys

 please tell me which system did you use.

 Did you follow one of Bob Nuckolls architecture systems? Which one?



 Yes, I know that I have to do the load analysis.



 Regards

 Carlos

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rv10flyer

Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Posts: 364

Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: RV-10 Electric system

I have one 5 Amp alt circuit breaker, main/e-bus/hot battery bus fuse blocks, a bunch of toggle switches, a wiring harness from Stein, a 925L bat, a 680 bat and one 60A alternator. Has worked flawlessly and love my setup.

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trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
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Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:40 am Post subject: RV-10 Electric system

Guys



Thank you all for your answers!

Great group.



Now, it's only brainstorming and work on the electric system ...



Cheers

Carlos

bob88

Joined: 24 Feb 2013
Posts: 99

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 11:05 am Post subject: Re: RV-10 Electric system

I, too, am in the early stages of planning an electrical system. Vertical Systems seems to get the kudos. Does anyone have experience with the Protec Bus Manager? I am unclear about whether this could be used along with the VP product. Not sure if there is overlap/compatibility.

marcausman

Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Posts: 70

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: RV-10 Electric system

bob88,



The VP-X should be used by itself without other bus managers like the one you mention. 



The VP-X installation manual (available here: http://verticalpower.com/documents/ ) shows you how to provide system-level redundancy in case of a failure. 



Hope that helps.

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