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Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
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Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:53 pm Post subject: Documentation |
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Program letter?
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Subject: Documentation
To: "Yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 2:33 PM
Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
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Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:01 pm Post subject: Documentation |
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Proficiency radius map if that restriction is still part of your ops limits
Richard HessC 404-964-4885
On Jun 4, 2013, at 17:33, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us (rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us)> wrote:
[quote]Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
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Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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bwade154(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:02 pm Post subject: Documentation |
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Program letter?
From: Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us>
To: "Yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 5:33 PM
Subject: Documentation
Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
--
Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:33 pm Post subject: Documentation |
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I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the pages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot static and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be aboard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For events in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FAST card and parachute repack date.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us (rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us)> wrote:
| Quote: | Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
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Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:08 pm Post subject: Documentation |
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Lets hold up a second here. What the difference between a "ramp check" and an air show check?
For a common "ramp check" I do believe you need:
Pilot license & medical - yes
Program Letter - yes
Registration and Airworthiness Certificate - yes.
Operation Limitations - yes
Some form of photo ID - yes
Parachutes in date? (their dated card in is the chute) - yes (BTW there is no excuse, IF a chute is in the airplane, it MUST BE CURRENT).
State registration - why should a Fed be interested in seeing it? No
Proof of Insurance - why should a Fed be interested in seeing it? No
Engine, airframe, and propeller logs? How would the Fed determine airworthiness if the logs were burn up in the wreckage? You don't even need a copied of the last condition inspection. No
I've been ramped a number of times and the first 6 items was all they were interested in.
Now when we start talking air show, insurance, copies of inspections, these are brought on by the insurance companies, not the Fed. But they are not required by the Feds to fly in wavier airspace.
I hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Quote: | I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the pages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot static and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be aboard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For events in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FAST card and parachute repack date.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us (rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us)> wrote:
| Quote: | Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
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Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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bwade154(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:17 pm Post subject: Documentation |
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Didn't RPA have a check list for airshows? and Rico if your going to accept anything from the show coordinators (gas motel maybe even food) you might want a commercial license and 2nd class med also.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 6:31 PM
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I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the pages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot static and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be aboard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For events in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FAST card and parachute repack date.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us (rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us)> wrote:
| Quote: | Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
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Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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Byron M. Fox
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:39 pm Post subject: Documentation |
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Lotsa great info here, guys. I'm not at the point of any "airshow concerns" except for a possible voluntary static here and there. Thanks for the tips and - by all means - keep 'em coming if anyone thinks of anything else. I'd rather be over-prepared than caught w/ my pants down...! 
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Byron Fox <byronmfox(at)gmail.com (byronmfox(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the pages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot static and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be aboard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For events in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FAST card and parachute repack date.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us (rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us)> wrote:
| Quote: | Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
--
Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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Byron M. Fox
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:02 pm Post subject: Documentation |
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Pappy,
I certainly have not been ramped as much as you but what you listed is all that has been asked of me for the local airshows that I have stood static for.
Pilot license and medical in my wallet
Program Letter, Registration, AW certificate, OL, and parachute currency were all that was ever required.
Look at the recommendations on the RPA website.
Doc
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On Jun 4, 2013, at 6:05 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com) wrote:
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Lets hold up a second here. What the difference between a "ramp check" and an air show check?
For a common "ramp check" I do believe you need:
Pilot license & medical - yes
Program Letter - yes
Registration and Airworthiness Certificate - yes.
Operation Limitations - yes
Some form of photo ID - yes
Parachutes in date? (their dated card in is the chute) - yes (BTW there is no excuse, IF a chute is in the airplane, it MUST BE CURRENT).
State registration - why should a Fed be interested in seeing it? No
Proof of Insurance - why should a Fed be interested in seeing it? No
Engine, airframe, and propeller logs? How would the Fed determine airworthiness if the logs were burn up in the wreckage? You don't even need a copied of the last condition inspection. No
I've been ramped a number of times and the first 6 items was all they were interested in.
Now when we start talking air show, insurance, copies of inspections, these are brought on by the insurance companies, not the Fed. But they are not required by the Feds to fly in wavier airspace.
I hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 6/4/2013 6:34:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, byronmfox(at)gmail.com (byronmfox(at)gmail.com) writes:
| Quote: | I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the pages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot static and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be aboard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For events in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FAST card and parachute repack date.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us (rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us)> wrote:
| Quote: | Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
--
Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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Byron M. Fox
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:30 pm Post subject: Documentation |
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From the Fly Red Star . org website.
Pilot Kitbag
What should you bring if you're heading to an RPA Fly-In or Public Airshow to fly mass formation or aerobatics?
AIRSHOWS:
If your airshow is conducted under a 7711 Waiver granted by the FAA (waivered airspace), there will be an FAA designated Inspector In Charge (IIC) who has a the responsibility of "safety oversight" of the aviation event. According to FAA regulation 8700.1/CH50 he/she may ask to see:
PILOT:
Airman Certificate
A current Medical Certificate
A valid Letter of Authorization in lieu of a type rating if applicable (large radials & jets)
A current statement of Aerobatic Competency if applicable
A current FAST Formation Card if applicable
AIRCRAFT:
The aircraft general condition*
*(to include fuselage required decals, N numbers and instrument markings)
Aircraft Airworthiness and Registration certificates
The Aircraft Operating Limitations
RPA EVENTS:
Everything thats applicable to the above should be brought to RPA events. If you are flying in formation training and display missions at RPA Fly-Ins and Clinics, either as instructor, student or flight member, we ask that you wear a fire retardant flight suit. If you will have an RPA instructor in the backseat, please be aware that aircraft manuevers will meet the definition of aerobatic flight and both occupants will need to have a parachute with current repack date IAW applicable FARS.
Although the Flight Suit policy only applies to Formation flying, new members will find that nearly 100% of attendees at RPA Fly-Ins apply this extremely important piece of safety gear to their general warbird flying. With all the pockets for water bottles, notepads and cell phones, along with velcro for your patches, the flight suit is the Swiss Army Knife for aviators...
For more information on where to find and register to attend RPA Fly-Ins, please see the events section of flyredstar....
Doc
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On Jun 4, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us (rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us)> wrote:
[quote]Lotsa great info here, guys. I'm not at the point of any "airshow concerns" except for a possible voluntary static here and there. Thanks for the tips and - by all means - keep 'em coming if anyone thinks of anything else. I'd rather be over-prepared than caught w/ my pants down...!
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Byron Fox <byronmfox(at)gmail.com (byronmfox(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the pages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot static and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be aboard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For events in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FAST card and parachute repack date.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us (rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us)> wrote:
| Quote: | Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
--
Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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The last airshow I did at Santa Maria, Ca. The FAA would not accept any photo copies of anything. But the Van Nuys, Ca. office is a bunch of Nazi's. Gary. N22YK
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[quote]I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the pages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot static and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be aboard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For events in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FAST card and parachute repack date.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us (rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us)> wrote:
| Quote: | Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
--
Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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Byron M. Fox
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:16 am Post subject: Documentation |
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Understood on "The Nazi's".
AOPA General Do's and Don'ts of dealing with the FAA...
And I quote:
"DO NOT surrender your pilot or medical certificates or release original logbook records to the FAA
DO NOT carry pilot or maintenance logs on the aircraft unnecessarily. "
End Quote
So if Mr. FAA Safety Inspector says he will not accept photo copies of things in the maint. logs, your pilot logs, or your medical or pilots license... then he simply doesn't get them. Regarding your pilots license and medical... pull them out, hold them in your hand, and let FAA person copy any info they want from them. But DO NOT hand those certificates over for the FAA Rep to hold in THEIR hands. Read them yes, touch them no.
Handing those certificates or records to the FAA person is the same as SURRENDERING them. Make no mistake.
Never say anything unnecessary, do not shoot the breeze, never ask questions unless you know the answer yourself in advance, and even then it is probably a mistake.
These folks can be quite intimidating. Be polite, be courteous, but do not be a whimp either.
Mark
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make a certified copy. They can not deny authenticity with a certification seal on the document.
Otherwise they can FOAD.
Doc
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On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Gary Gabbard <ggg6(at)att.net (ggg6(at)att.net)> wrote:
[quote]The last airshow I did at Santa Maria, Ca. The FAA would not accept any photo copies of anything. But the Van Nuys, Ca. office is a bunch of Nazi's. Gary. N22YK
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On Jun 4, 2013, at 15:31, Byron Fox <byronmfox(at)gmail.com (byronmfox(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the pages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot static and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be aboard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For events in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FAST card and parachute repack date.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us (rijaeger(at)wausau.k12.wi.us)> wrote:
| Quote: | Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
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jcolquit(at)law.ua.edu
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:40 am Post subject: Documentation |
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So, would this be a good checklist for documents to be onboard?
OPERATING NOTEBOOK FOR N420RB
AIRCRAFT
1) FAA Registration
2) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
3) Operating Limitations
4) Annual program letter
5) Copies of pages from aircraft logbook that show current condition inspection ("annual"), and all relevant inspections such as pitot and static system check, compass check, transponder/encoder check
6) Aircraft weight and balance documentation
7) Operating Manual
PILOT
1) Pilot's License
2) Driver's License (Photo ID)
3) Medical
4) Copies of logbook pages showing biennial flight review (BFR), recency documentation - takeoffs, landings, night, etc (if carrying passengers)
OTHER
1) Checklist
2) Parachute repack card
3) Proof of insurance
4) Flight notification (if outside annual program letter)
5) Aeronautical maps
6) Flight planning info
7) Placards inside the canopy visible from the ground saying “Documents on Board”
Joe
CJ6
Glastar (FS)
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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:23 am Post subject: Documentation |
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And your FAST card if flying in formation in waivered airspace.
A. Dennis Savarese
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On 6/6/2013 9:37 AM, Joseph Colquitt wrote:
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So, would this be a good checklist for documents to be onboard?
OPERATING NOTEBOOK FOR N420RB
AIRCRAFT
1) FAA Registration
2) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
3) Operating Limitations
4) Annual program letter
5) Copies of pages from aircraft logbook that show current condition
inspection ("annual"), and all relevant inspections such as pitot and
static system check, compass check, transponder/encoder check
6) Aircraft weight and balance documentation
7) Operating Manual
PILOT
1) Pilot's License
2) Driver's License (Photo ID)
3) Medical
4) Copies of logbook pages showing biennial flight review (BFR),
recency documentation - takeoffs, landings, night, etc (if carrying
passengers)
OTHER
1) Checklist
2) Parachute repack card
3) Proof of insurance
4) Flight notification (if outside annual program letter)
5) Aeronautical maps
6) Flight planning info
7) Placards inside the canopy visible from the ground saying
“Documents on Board”
Joe
CJ6
Glastar (FS)
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:08 am Post subject: Documentation |
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Not saying anything contrary to your advise here Doc..... (just happened to use your message as a REPLY TO) but let's step back and think for a moment.
1. Last Conditional Inspection Date. Copied from Aircraft Logs.
2. Personal Logbook Biannual date. Copied from Personal Flight Logbook
3. Pitot Static Check Copied from Aircraft Logs.
4. Transponder Check. Copied from Aircraft Logs.
Gents, these kinds of things are not required to be carried by any pilot in any aircraft to any event. Yes, you make the FAA Reps job easier by having all these things there in your pocket. That said, you are also giving him more things to inspect personally that open the door to him being able to find more things wrong, even if they are all perfect.
To each his own of course, and I am not trying to tell anyone else what do to... but.... for 35 years I was never ramp checked. When I started going to Air Shows, the ramp checks started and some things were not always pleasant.
The FAA has the right to request you to make copies of whatever specific entries from whatever logbooks you are required to maintain. It is not incumbent on you to anticipate those needs and have copies in hand to present them. You are not required to pay for, or make "Certified Copies" although that is never a bad idea, especially when and if you want to cover your own six when sending them in.
There is a vast... I say again.... *VAST* difference between FISDO's and how they work with General Aviation. Some are great, some are not so great. Some are just downright terrible. It's the luck of the draw, but I believe it is best to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
Don't give these guys anything that you are not required to have. Have what you are required to have, and beyond that it is up to you... but personally I would not try to anticipate their needs and go above simply in an effort to please them. Comply, but don't cater to.
Mark
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kendal(at)acronut.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:52 am Post subject: Documentation |
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As an airshow performer we are required to show all the documents below when we fly under the airshow waiver. Therefore if the Feds are at an airshow and looking at documents those are the things they are expecting to see... You are correct those documents don't have to be carried for normal operations but it has been my experience that when I hand over a neatly arranged binder with copies of all the documents on his original list the Inspectors leaf through it, smile, say thanks and walk away. I've seen many performers dig documents out of 15 different places and waste a lot of time and effort and then some inspectors dig deeper. Just my 2 cents
Kendal
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On Jun 6, 2013, at 19:05, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:
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Not saying anything contrary to your advise here Doc..... (just happened to use your message as a REPLY TO) but let's step back and think for a moment.
1. Last Conditional Inspection Date. Copied from Aircraft Logs.
2. Personal Logbook Biannual date. Copied from Personal Flight Logbook
3. Pitot Static Check Copied from Aircraft Logs.
4. Transponder Check. Copied from Aircraft Logs.
Gents, these kinds of things are not required to be carried by any pilot in any aircraft to any event. Yes, you make the FAA Reps job easier by having all these things there in your pocket. That said, you are also giving him more things to inspect personally that open the door to him being able to find more things wrong, even if they are all perfect.
To each his own of course, and I am not trying to tell anyone else what do to... but.... for 35 years I was never ramp checked. When I started going to Air Shows, the ramp checks started and some things were not always pleasant.
The FAA has the right to request you to make copies of whatever specific entries from whatever logbooks you are required to maintain. It is not incumbent on you to anticipate those needs and have copies in hand to present them. You are not required to pay for, or make "Certified Copies" although that is never a bad idea, especially when and if you want to cover your own six when sending them in.
There is a vast... I say again.... *VAST* difference between FISDO's and how they work with General Aviation. Some are great, some are not so great. Some are just downright terrible. It's the luck of the draw, but I believe it is best to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
Don't give these guys anything that you are not required to have. Have what you are required to have, and beyond that it is up to you... but personally I would not try to anticipate their needs and go above simply in an effort to please them. Comply, but don't cater to.
Mark
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Etienne Verhellen
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Documentation |
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Mark, at least, in the good old United States of America, you guys are lucky enough to have a fairly common set of rules, applicable to all Yaks, CJs, etc .. ... similar rules for all States and the FAA has been sensible enough to have the EXPERIMENTAL Category for Non Certified Aircraft.
You are very lucky boys !
Here in Sunny (at the moment !) Europe, under the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), 'Airworthiness' of Yaks and other russian flying machines is 'controlled' on a National basis ...
And as can be easily be guessed, European bureaucrats have been totally unable to agree on common standards to maintain and operate Yaks in Europe !
The first national european (!) Civil Aviation Authority to produce rules to maintain and operate Yaks in Europe was the UK CAA.
After turning a blind eye, for a very long time on what was going on, other National European CAAs are now playing catch up ...
As far as common reasonable standards to maintain and operate Yaks in Europe ... one can only dream ... but DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH !
http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_original_363.pdf
http://www.emagazine.flightinternational.com/1Z4dd63f96463e4012.cde/page/downloadPDF.php?id=14895&pages=497523
The French CAA for instance (DGAC - OSAC) is struggling to produce 'Airworthiness Directives', what they call "Consignes de Navigabilité" for Yaks. And they are about to establish very different rules for the Yak-50 and Yak-52 for instance. You tell me !
And would be very VERY surprised if they were to adopt the same rules as the British ! 
Why does it matter you may ask ?
Well, it's very simple Mark, I want to be FREE to fly Yaks (50 and 52) everywhere in Europe and it's a little bit annoying if the rules changes each time I fly over a european border.
Or in other words, any Yak pilots who is complying with the 'sensible' rules of one European CAA should be allowed to fly freely in ALL other European countries. That's what I think and that's what I do !
Let's no worry about that too much ! 
Let's go flying while the sun is shinning !
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/233410/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-52/
Enjoy the summer ...
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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:49 pm Post subject: Documentation |
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I am perfectly happy with the French registration of my Yak 50, Etienne!
And why did EASA decide that all Annexe II aircraft should be handled on a
national basis - for now?
Because it is so complex. Annexe II is a collection of exceptions, per
definition.
Furthermore: "Europe", EASA Š that's Big Brother. They dictate how whe
have to live.
I prefer by far the national civil servants instead of the European
super-bureaucrats.
A European regulation for Annexe II might put us all on the ground,
forever. It would be VERY expensive, to start with.
Only my 2 cents,
Jan
On 06/06/13 22:00, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie(at)yak52.fr> wrote:
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Mark, at least, in the good old United States of America, you guys are
lucky enough to have a fairly common set of rules, applicable to all
Yaks, CJs, etc .. ... similar rules for all States and the FAA has been
sensible enough to have the EXPERIMENTAL Category for Non Certified
Aircraft.
You are very lucky boys !
Here in Sunny (at the moment !) Europe, under the European Aviation
Safety Agency (EASA), 'Airworthiness' of Yaks and other russian flying
machines is 'controlled' on a National basis ...
And as can be easily be guessed, European bureaucrats have been totally
unable to agree on common standards to maintain and operate Yaks in
Europe !
The first national european (!) Civil Aviation Authority to produce rules
to maintain and operate Yaks in Europe was the UK CAA.
After turning a blind eye, for a very long time on what was going on,
other National European CAAs are now playing catch up ...
As far as common reasonable standards to maintain and operate Yaks in
Europe ... one can only dream ... but DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH !
http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_orig
inal_363.pdf
http://www.emagazine.flightinternational.com/1Z4dd63f96463e4012.cde/page/d
ownloadPDF.php?id=14895&pages=497523
The French CAA for instance (DGAC - OSAC) is struggling to produce
'Airworthiness Directives', what they call "Consignes de Navigabilité"
for Yaks. And they are about to establish very different rules for the
Yak-50 and Yak-52 for instance. You tell me !
And would be very VERY surprised if they were to adopt the same rules as
the British !
Why does it matter you may ask ?
Well, it's very simple Mark, I want to be FREE to fly Yaks (50 and 52)
everywhere in Europe and it's a little bit annoying if the rules changes
each time I fly over a european border.
Or in other words, any Yak pilots who is complying with the 'sensible'
rules of one European CAA should be allowed to fly freely in ALL other
European countries. That's what I think and that's what I do !
Let's no worry about that too much !
Let's go flying while the sun is shinning !
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/233410/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
52/
Enjoy the summer ...
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http://ukga.com/images/content/image29581.jpg
http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Heimo_Lamberg_011.jpg
http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Etienne%20landing%20747-400..jpg
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:05 am Post subject: Documentation |
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No argument. The decision on what to do is up to each of us. Having
everything in a neatly arranged binder is professional and is the right
thing to do.
That said, I am not going to go beyond what the regulations require of
me to show to the FAA. Neatly arranged sure. In a binder, heck yes!
But copying every possible thing out of logbooks just in case they
decide to ask, no.
You can, I won't... no more to it than that.
Mark
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