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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:45 pm Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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Hi All,
I recently replaced my stock Traveller 0-320 exhaust with the Powerflow exhaust system and was hoping to sell my old system for $250.
If you are interested, please drop me a line. Also I am interested in purchasing wheel pants along with the required mounting brackets and such.
Thanks,
Andrew
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:58 pm Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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Off-list reply… You might check with FletchAir. They have an STC for a more streamlined set of wheel pants. Not sure if they have the brackets for them or not, though. Garner Rice or David Fletcher should be able to answer all the questions.
Jim Parker
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N5842N - 78 Commander 114 Hot Shot (coming soon)
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Hi All,
I recently replaced my stock Traveller 0-320 exhaust with the Powerflow exhaust system and was hoping to sell my old system for $250.
If you are interested, please drop me a line. Also I am interested in purchasing wheel pants along with the required mounting brackets and such.
Thanks,
Andrew
416 706 4490
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:59 pm Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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Andrew, did the powerflow help with any performance improvements?
Best Regards,
George Douglas
Amsoil Distributor
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:25 am Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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Sounds like a fair price if its in good shape.
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Andrew, did the powerflow help with any performance improvements?
Best Regards,
George Douglas
Amsoil Distributor
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cell 321-663-5391
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:53 am Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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Hi George,
I did a bunch of things at the same time (top overhaul with high compression pistons plus the Powerflow) so I did see a significant performance increase but I can't say what is attributable to what. It certainly sounds more sinister.
Best,
Andrew
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[quote]--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "George Douglas" <George(at)oilhelp.com (George(at)oilhelp.com)>
Andrew, did the powerflow help with any performance improvements?
Best Regards,
George Douglas
Amsoil Distributor
office 407-856-1564
toll free 800-887-6698
cell 321-663-5391
www.oilhelp.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:30 pm Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew(at)entro.com (andrew(at)entro.com)> wrote:
[quote]Hi George,
I did a bunch of things at the same time (top overhaul with high compression pistons plus the Powerflow) so I did see a significant performance increase but I can't say what is attributable to what. It certainly sounds more sinister.
Best,
Andrew
Andrew Kuzyk BID, ACIDO, RGD // Partner
T: 416-368-6988 x 222
Entro Communications and Gottschalk+Ash
Please note our new address:
33 Harbour Square, Suite 202, Toronto, Canada M5J 2G2
entro.com
TORONTO CALGARY ZÜRICH
On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:58 PM, George Douglas <George(at)oilhelp.com (George(at)oilhelp.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "George Douglas" <George(at)oilhelp.com (George(at)oilhelp.com)>
Andrew, did the powerflow help with any performance improvements?
Best Regards,
George Douglas
Amsoil Distributor
office 407-856-1564
toll free 800-887-6698
cell 321-663-5391
www.oilhelp.com
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BARRY CHECK 6
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Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:20 am Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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George
The last thing you should do is the prop.
Each of the other two give you usable power. The final question is what do you do with the power? Once you get the max power you would want to put it to work by spinning the biggest pitch you can put on the prop. if you pick the pitch by ONLY the first power. gain,you loose all the power gained by the second improvement.
Barry
ChopD Liver
On Friday, January 3, 2014, George Douglas wrote:
[quote] I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <[url=javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'andrew(at)entro.com');]andrew(at)entro.com[/url]> wrote:
[quote]Hi George,
I did a bunch of things at the same time (top overhaul with high compression pistons plus the Powerflow) so I did see a significant performance increase but I can't say what is attributable to what. It certainly sounds more sinister.
Best,
Andrew
Andrew Kuzyk BID, ACIDO, RGD // Partner
T: 416-368-6988 x 222
Entro Communications and Gottschalk+Ash
Please note our new address:
33 Harbour Square, Suite 202, Toronto, Canada M5J 2G2
entro.com
TORONTO CALGARY ZÜRICH
On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:58 PM, George Douglas <George(at)oilhelp.com> wrote:
[quote]--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "George Douglas" <George(at)oilhelp.com>
Andrew, did the powerflow help with any performance improvements?
Best Regards,
George Douglas
Amsoil Distributor
office 407-856-1564
toll free 800-887-6698
cell 321-663-5391
www.oilhelp.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:08 am Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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"....spinning the biggest pitch" - As long as the pitch is within the specifications of the aircraft's type certificate or an STC'd prop/pitch issued for the aircraft and engine combination.
Dennis
AA1B-0317 08A
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Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: Traveller Exhaust
George
The last thing you should do is the prop.
Each of the other two give you usable power. The final question is what do you do with the power? Once you get the max power you would want to put it to work by spinning the biggest pitch you can put on the prop. if you pick the pitch by ONLY the first power. gain,you loose all the power gained by the second improvement.
Barry
ChopD Liver
On Friday, January 3, 2014, George Douglas wrote:
[quote] I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <[url=]andrew(at)entro.com[/url]> wrote:
[quote]Hi George,
I did a bunch of things at the same time (top overhaul with high compression pistons plus the Powerflow) so I did see a significant performance increase but I can't say what is attributable to what. It certainly sounds more sinister.
Best,
Andrew
Andrew Kuzyk BID, ACIDO, RGD // Partner
T: 416-368-6988 x 222
Entro Communications and Gottschalk+Ash
Please note our new address:
33 Harbour Square, Suite 202, Toronto, Canada M5J 2G2
entro.com
TORONTO CALGARY ZÜRICH
On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:58 PM, George Douglas <[url=]George(at)oilhelp.com[/url]> wrote:
[quote]--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "George Douglas" <[url=]George(at)oilhelp.com[/url]>
Andrew, did the powerflow help with any performance improvements?
Best Regards,
George Douglas
Amsoil Distributor
office 407-856-1564
toll free 800-887-6698
cell 321-663-5391
www.oilhelp.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:05 am Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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George,
Unless you are in need of a top overhaul, why pull off your baffles, pull
the cylinders, change pistons and go through the process for the HC before
the exhaust? The Power Flow exhaust WILL give you more power at all
altitudes- guaranteed - and will work just fine with the HC. You can test
and verify the additional power without doing anything that isn't easily
reversible on the ground if you are a traveler below s/n 641. You do a full
power ground run-up with the cowling removed and stock exhaust. Record the
peak RPM with a digital tachometer (get fuel flow as well if you have that).
Change the exhaust and repeat the test. You should see instantly additional
power - typical for your aircraft is about 50-75 RPM on the ground, up to
130 in the air.
Once you have confirmed that you see this additional power, make the small
changes to the cowling for the PFS (depends on which version you want -
short stack versus long external classic) and then go fly and see the
results in flight. The PFS will work with the HC mod and a different prop
but Barry's point is valid - do the prop last. The PFS has a money back
guarantee and you would KNOW how much additional RPM you are seeing within
about 3-4 hours of labor by just swapping the exhaust.
Many of our customers considering the HC versus the PFS do the PFS and then
decide to not do the HC until they are in for overhaul which is when the
incremental dollars to do the upgrade are relatively small as the engine is
apart at that point already.
Consider also the other benefits the PFS will provide and many of them are
similar to the HC, but the HC only gets you up to 10 HP worth of gains,
where the PFS could provide nearly double the gains of the HC with much
better fuel economy at current RPMs (savings of 0.5 to 2.2 GPH).
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Thank you,
Darren Tilman
General Manager
Power Flow Systems, Inc.
386.253.8833
I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then
a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
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BARRY CHECK 6
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Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:34 am Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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Darren:
On Lycoming & Continental engines you must remove the baffling to remove the cylinders, to access the piston. These engines are not like car engines, there are no cylinder heads. To access the pistons you must pull the cylinders and the baffles have to be removed to do that.
Barry
ChopD Liver
On Saturday, January 4, 2014, Darren Tilman wrote:
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George,
Unless you are in need of a top overhaul, why pull off your baffles, pull
the cylinders, change pistons and go through the process for the HC before
the exhaust? The Power Flow exhaust WILL give you more power at all
altitudes- guaranteed - and will work just fine with the HC. You can test
and verify the additional power without doing anything that isn't easily
reversible on the ground if you are a traveler below s/n 641. You do a full
power ground run-up with the cowling removed and stock exhaust. Record the
peak RPM with a digital tachometer (get fuel flow as well if you have that).
Change the exhaust and repeat the test. You should see instantly additional
power - typical for your aircraft is about 50-75 RPM on the ground, up to
130 in the air.
Once you have confirmed that you see this additional power, make the small
changes to the cowling for the PFS (depends on which version you want -
short stack versus long external classic) and then go fly and see the
results in flight. The PFS will work with the HC mod and a different prop
but Barry's point is valid - do the prop last. The PFS has a money back
guarantee and you would KNOW how much additional RPM you are seeing within
about 3-4 hours of labor by just swapping the exhaust.
Many of our customers considering the HC versus the PFS do the PFS and then
decide to not do the HC until they are in for overhaul which is when the
incremental dollars to do the upgrade are relatively small as the engine is
apart at that point already.
Consider also the other benefits the PFS will provide and many of them are
similar to the HC, but the HC only gets you up to 10 HP worth of gains,
where the PFS could provide nearly double the gains of the HC with much
better fuel economy at current RPMs (savings of 0.5 to 2.2 GPH).
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Thank you,
Darren Tilman
General Manager
Power Flow Systems, Inc.
386.253.8833
I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then
a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
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Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:50 am Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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Barry,
I agree and that is what I said. See first sentence of my original posting. I didn’t mention cylinder heads, I said Cylinders.
Darren Tilman
General Manager
Power Flow Systems, Inc.
386.253.8833
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Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Traveller Exhaust
Darren:
On Lycoming & Continental engines you must remove the baffling to remove the cylinders, to access the piston. These engines are not like car engines, there are no cylinder heads. To access the pistons you must pull the cylinders and the baffles have to be removed to do that.
Barry
ChopD Liver
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George,
Unless you are in need of a top overhaul, why pull off your baffles, pull
the cylinders, change pistons and go through the process for the HC before
the exhaust? The Power Flow exhaust WILL give you more power at all
altitudes- guaranteed - and will work just fine with the HC. You can test
and verify the additional power without doing anything that isn't easily
reversible on the ground if you are a traveler below s/n 641. You do a full
power ground run-up with the cowling removed and stock exhaust. Record the
peak RPM with a digital tachometer (get fuel flow as well if you have that).
Change the exhaust and repeat the test. You should see instantly additional
power - typical for your aircraft is about 50-75 RPM on the ground, up to
130 in the air.
Once you have confirmed that you see this additional power, make the small
changes to the cowling for the PFS (depends on which version you want -
short stack versus long external classic) and then go fly and see the
results in flight. The PFS will work with the HC mod and a different prop
but Barry's point is valid - do the prop last. The PFS has a money back
guarantee and you would KNOW how much additional RPM you are seeing within
about 3-4 hours of labor by just swapping the exhaust.
Many of our customers considering the HC versus the PFS do the PFS and then
decide to not do the HC until they are in for overhaul which is when the
incremental dollars to do the upgrade are relatively small as the engine is
apart at that point already.
Consider also the other benefits the PFS will provide and many of them are
similar to the HC, but the HC only gets you up to 10 HP worth of gains,
where the PFS could provide nearly double the gains of the HC with much
better fuel economy at current RPMs (savings of 0.5 to 2.2 GPH).
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Thank you,
Darren Tilman
General Manager
Power Flow Systems, Inc.
386.253.8833
I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then
a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
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BARRY CHECK 6
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Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:05 pm Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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Darren:
I had to read and re-read your first sentence. It took a while for your thought to get through... I took it as a process explanation and not as an intended critique of what not to do. Sorry about that. That is the problem with emails; we speak one way where voice inflections and short timelines in conversation help make a point but, when put in writing all that becomes lost. Sorry for the misinterpretation and I do realize that you did not mention cylinder heads... I did.
You make a good point in holding off on the HC Mod until the engine requires a Top or Major. No sense in spending money on an engine until needed. If it ain't broke don't fix it. And the PF should be adding some improvements as a compensation factor towards the pitch increase.
For those considering combining improvements it is a very difficult decision - If money is a consideration.
Let's say you you have 4" of prop pitch that can be added.
And 2" will be taken care of by the increase in power by the PF Exhaust.
And 2" will be taken care of by the increase in power by the HC Mod.
Do you re-pitch the prop +2" for ONE Mod, the PF Mod and then wait till the engine needs a Top or a Major, so you can increase the pitch +2" for the other Mod.
And what about the cost of re-pitching each time?
And what about the cost of shipping and down time and doing a R&R via the A&P.
Everything in aviation is a trade-off.
It just becomes a case of how much you want to trade and when... As the saying goes: Pay me now, or pay me more latter.
Barry
Chop'D Liver
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Darren Tilman <darren(at)powerflowsystems.com (darren(at)powerflowsystems.com)> wrote:
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Barry,
I agree and that is what I said. See first sentence of my original posting. I didn’t mention cylinder heads, I said Cylinders.
Darren Tilman
General Manager
Power Flow Systems, Inc.
[url=tel:386.253.8833]386.253.8833[/url]
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Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:33 PM
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Traveller Exhaust
Darren:
On Lycoming & Continental engines you must remove the baffling to remove the cylinders, to access the piston. These engines are not like car engines, there are no cylinder heads. To access the pistons you must pull the cylinders and the baffles have to be removed to do that.
Barry
ChopD Liver
On Saturday, January 4, 2014, Darren Tilman wrote:
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Darren Tilman" <darren(at)powerflowsystems.com>
George,
Unless you are in need of a top overhaul, why pull off your baffles, pull
the cylinders, change pistons and go through the process for the HC before
the exhaust? The Power Flow exhaust WILL give you more power at all
altitudes- guaranteed - and will work just fine with the HC. You can test
and verify the additional power without doing anything that isn't easily
reversible on the ground if you are a traveler below s/n 641. You do a full
power ground run-up with the cowling removed and stock exhaust. Record the
peak RPM with a digital tachometer (get fuel flow as well if you have that).
Change the exhaust and repeat the test. You should see instantly additional
power - typical for your aircraft is about 50-75 RPM on the ground, up to
130 in the air.
Once you have confirmed that you see this additional power, make the small
changes to the cowling for the PFS (depends on which version you want -
short stack versus long external classic) and then go fly and see the
results in flight. The PFS will work with the HC mod and a different prop
but Barry's point is valid - do the prop last. The PFS has a money back
guarantee and you would KNOW how much additional RPM you are seeing within
about 3-4 hours of labor by just swapping the exhaust.
Many of our customers considering the HC versus the PFS do the PFS and then
decide to not do the HC until they are in for overhaul which is when the
incremental dollars to do the upgrade are relatively small as the engine is
apart at that point already.
Consider also the other benefits the PFS will provide and many of them are
similar to the HC, but the HC only gets you up to 10 HP worth of gains,
where the PFS could provide nearly double the gains of the HC with much
better fuel economy at current RPMs (savings of 0.5 to 2.2 GPH).
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Thank you,
Darren Tilman
General Manager
Power Flow Systems, Inc.
[url=tel:386.253.8833]386.253.8833[/url]
I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then
a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:04 am Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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Hi George,
That is the thing I did not do since the prop was recertified the year before. I would like to make that change or at least have the prop re pitched.
Andrew
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On 2014-01-03, at 11:35 PM, George Douglas <george(at)oilhelp.com (george(at)oilhelp.com)> wrote:
[quote] I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
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On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew(at)entro.com (andrew(at)entro.com)> wrote:
[quote]Hi George,
I did a bunch of things at the same time (top overhaul with high compression pistons plus the Powerflow) so I did see a significant performance increase but I can't say what is attributable to what. It certainly sounds more sinister.
Best,
Andrew
Andrew Kuzyk BID, ACIDO, RGD // Partner
T: 416-368-6988 x 222
Entro Communications and Gottschalk+Ash
Please note our new address:
33 Harbour Square, Suite 202, Toronto, Canada M5J 2G2
entro.com
TORONTO CALGARY ZÜRICH
On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:58 PM, George Douglas <George(at)oilhelp.com (George(at)oilhelp.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "George Douglas" <George(at)oilhelp.com (George(at)oilhelp.com)>
Andrew, did the powerflow help with any performance improvements?
Best Regards,
George Douglas
Amsoil Distributor
office 407-856-1564
toll free 800-887-6698
cell 321-663-5391
www.oilhelp.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:19 am Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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My issue was that once the plane was generally disassembled for either a
Power Flow or a Top Overhaul the cost of reassembly and disassembly by my
AME to do them separately would be duplicated. I bit the bullet to get the
most performance with the least cost and hopefully minimize down time and
AME time. I still ran into unexpected costs ($900) customs and duties (US
to Can) for the Powerflow (new parts).
I still have the prop and hopefully wheel pants to be completed but then
I'm done, it still comes down to economics.
Andrew
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On 2014-01-04, at 1:54 PM, Darren Tilman <darren(at)powerflowsystems.com>
wrote:
Barry,
I agree and that is what I said. See first sentence of my original
posting. I didn’t mention cylinder heads, I said Cylinders.
Darren Tilman
General Manager
Power Flow Systems, Inc.
386.253.8833
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*From:* owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com [
mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com<owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com>]
*On Behalf Of *FLYaDIVE
*Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:33 PM
*To:* teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: Traveller Exhaust
Darren:
On Lycoming & Continental engines you must remove the baffling to remove
the cylinders, to access the piston. These engines are not like car
engines, there are no cylinder heads. To access the pistons you must pull
the cylinders and the baffles have to be removed to do that.
Barry
ChopD Liver
On Saturday, January 4, 2014, Darren Tilman wrote:
darren(at)powerflowsystems.com <javascript:;>>
George,
Unless you are in need of a top overhaul, why pull off your baffles, pull
the cylinders, change pistons and go through the process for the HC before
the exhaust? The Power Flow exhaust WILL give you more power at all
altitudes- guaranteed - and will work just fine with the HC. You can test
and verify the additional power without doing anything that isn't easily
reversible on the ground if you are a traveler below s/n 641. You do a full
power ground run-up with the cowling removed and stock exhaust. Record the
peak RPM with a digital tachometer (get fuel flow as well if you have that)
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:44 pm Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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There is a trick pitch you can do that helps both climb and cruise. If you get the Sensenich prop and your plane is light with a strong engine, you can do a 63-62-61 pitch. I did a 74 Traveler in 2004 that would true at 137 knots.
The engine had 1500 hours. But, it also had ports and polished high compression cylinders prepared by LyCon.
Buried antennas.
Converted to Cheetah sumps, gear leg fairings
Wheel fairings.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew(at)entro.com (andrew(at)entro.com)> wrote:
[quote]Hi George,
That is the thing I did not do since the prop was recertified the year before. I would like to make that change or at least have the prop re pitched.
Andrew
Sent from my iPad
On 2014-01-03, at 11:35 PM, George Douglas <george(at)oilhelp.com (george(at)oilhelp.com)> wrote:
[quote] I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew(at)entro.com (andrew(at)entro.com)> wrote:
[quote]Hi George,
I did a bunch of things at the same time (top overhaul with high compression pistons plus the Powerflow) so I did see a significant performance increase but I can't say what is attributable to what. It certainly sounds more sinister.
Best,
Andrew
Andrew Kuzyk BID, ACIDO, RGD // Partner
T: 416-368-6988 x 222
Entro Communications and Gottschalk+Ash
Please note our new address:
33 Harbour Square, Suite 202, Toronto, Canada M5J 2G2
entro.com
TORONTO CALGARY ZÜRICH
On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:58 PM, George Douglas <George(at)oilhelp.com (George(at)oilhelp.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "George Douglas" <George(at)oilhelp.com (George(at)oilhelp.com)>
Andrew, did the powerflow help with any performance improvements?
Best Regards,
George Douglas
Amsoil Distributor
office 407-856-1564
toll free 800-887-6698
cell 321-663-5391
www.oilhelp.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:49 am Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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Gary,
Is that the "magic pixie dust" pitch that is good for Tigers as well?
Bruce Smith
On Jan 06, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote] There is a trick pitch you can do that helps both climb and cruise. If you get the Sensenich prop and your plane is light with a strong engine, you can do a 63-62-61 pitch. I did a 74 Traveler in 2004 that would true at 137 knots.
The engine had 1500 hours. But, it also had ports and polished high compression cylinders prepared by LyCon.
Buried antennas.
Converted to Cheetah sumps, gear leg fairings
Wheel fairings.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew(at)entro.com (andrew(at)entro.com)> wrote:
[quote] Hi George,
That is the thing I did not do since the prop was recertified the year before. I would like to make that change or at least have the prop re pitched.
Andrew
Sent from my iPad
On 2014-01-03, at 11:35 PM, George Douglas <george(at)oilhelp.com (george(at)oilhelp.com)> wrote:
[quote] I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew(at)entro.com (andrew(at)entro.com)> wrote:
[quote] Hi George,
I did a bunch of things at the same time (top overhaul with high compression pistons plus the Powerflow) so I did see a significant performance increase but I can't say what is attributable to what. It certainly sounds more sinister.
Best,
Andrew
Andrew Kuzyk BID, ACIDO, RGD // Partner
T: 416-368-6988 x 222
Entro Communications and Gottschalk+Ash
Please note our new address:
33 Harbour Square, Suite 202, Toronto, Canada M5J 2G2
entro.com
TORONTO CALGARY ZÜRICH
On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:58 PM, George Douglas <George(at)oilhelp.com (George(at)oilhelp.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "George Douglas" <George(at)oilhelp.com (George(at)oilhelp.com)>
Andrew, did the powerflow help with any performance improvements?
Best Regards,
George Douglas
Amsoil Distributor
office 407-856-1564
toll free 800-887-6698
cell 321-663-5391
www.oilhelp.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:30 am Post subject: Traveller Exhaust |
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Yes
Gary
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On Jan 6, 2014, at 6:48 AM, "L. Bruce Smith" <haveblue1(at)mac.com (haveblue1(at)mac.com)> wrote:
[quote]Gary,
Is that the "magic pixie dust" pitch that is good for Tigers as well?
Bruce Smith
On Jan 06, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote] There is a trick pitch you can do that helps both climb and cruise. If you get the Sensenich prop and your plane is light with a strong engine, you can do a 63-62-61 pitch. I did a 74 Traveler in 2004 that would true at 137 knots.
The engine had 1500 hours. But, it also had ports and polished high compression cylinders prepared by LyCon.
Buried antennas.
Converted to Cheetah sumps, gear leg fairings
Wheel fairings.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew(at)entro.com (andrew(at)entro.com)> wrote:
[quote] Hi George,
That is the thing I did not do since the prop was recertified the year before. I would like to make that change or at least have the prop re pitched.
Andrew
Sent from my iPad
On 2014-01-03, at 11:35 PM, George Douglas <george(at)oilhelp.com (george(at)oilhelp.com)> wrote:
[quote] I plan to do the HC mod first on my traveler and see how that helps and then a prop and the power flow will be last. Did you install a different prop?
George
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew(at)entro.com (andrew(at)entro.com)> wrote:
[quote] Hi George,
I did a bunch of things at the same time (top overhaul with high compression pistons plus the Powerflow) so I did see a significant performance increase but I can't say what is attributable to what. It certainly sounds more sinister.
Best,
Andrew
Andrew Kuzyk BID, ACIDO, RGD // Partner
T: 416-368-6988 x 222
Entro Communications and Gottschalk+Ash
Please note our new address:
33 Harbour Square, Suite 202, Toronto, Canada M5J 2G2
entro.com
TORONTO CALGARY ZÜRICH
On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:58 PM, George Douglas <George(at)oilhelp.com (George(at)oilhelp.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "George Douglas" <George(at)oilhelp.com (George(at)oilhelp.com)>
Andrew, did the powerflow help with any performance improvements?
Best Regards,
George Douglas
Amsoil Distributor
office 407-856-1564
toll free 800-887-6698
cell 321-663-5391
www.oilhelp.com
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