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jimh474(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: Alcohol

Y'all;



Seems, that y'all are talking about a blended fuel and not 100% alcohol.



To run 100% alcohol it is necessary to enlarge the main jets 40% as alcohol needs a much richer fuel/air mixture than gasoline.



Another problem with 100% alky is it has a tendency to wash oil off the cylinder walls unless you use castor oil as a lubricant.



You gain power with 100% alky but you burn a bunch more doing it.



I base this on experience from racing cars a few centuries ago using 100% Alky.



So if you are looking to run cheaper, don't think so.



Jim Hauck

captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:37 am Post subject: Alcohol

John I am going to run an experiment on this today. I am suspecting that

Ethanol is less cleanser / solvent of regular oil than standard mogas, and

the reason I suspect that is because of the smoothness of the engine while

burning Ethanol.

This is the test I am going to do. I am going to take the same piece of

aluminum sheet dunk it in Philips 20/60W aveoil, and then dunk it in a jar

of avgas and then a jar of ethanol, each one in its own turn. I'll report

the results here. I also have a qt. of Mobil-1 and I'll try the same test

with it.

Now as I think of it I also have a new piece of fuel injection hose which I

will cut and drop into the Ethanol jar and leave it in it for a few weeks. 

I am guessing that is we can drink it as Vodka it is not going to be

damaging at all to the stuff we have on our airplanes.

( I have to admit I am becoming an Ethanol fan as I see it as away to rid us

of Foreign oil that sponsors terrorism), and I like having the American

farmers get wealthy, keeping the money here.



Ron

Arizona



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vince(at)devonwindmills.c
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: Alcohol

Perhaps     pat can give us a run down on what the UK authorities have said 

about tolerating Mogas up to 6000 feet, but no ethanol permitted at all

Vince Hallam

please phone rather than email for best results!

07941 313141

01803 316191

www.devonwindmills.co.uk

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: Alcohol

| 

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| John I am going to run an experiment on this today. I am suspecting 

that

| Ethanol is less cleanser / solvent of regular oil than standard 

mogas, and



Ron:



I haven't made any posts ref alcohol.



Bro Jim did though.



john h

mkIII

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Russ Kinne

Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Posts: 182

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: Alcohol

Ron, all

I'v e been told it takes more energy to produce Ethanol than you get  

out of it!  --

does anyone know?or have a comment?



do nboit archgi9ve

On Jun 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Vince Hallam wrote:



[quote] 

 <vince(at)devonwindmills.co.uk>



 Perhaps     pat can give us a run down on what the UK authorities  

 have said about tolerating Mogas up to 6000 feet, but no ethanol  

 permitted at all

 Vince Hallam

 please phone rather than email for best results!

 07941 313141

 01803 316191

 www.devonwindmills.co.uk

 ---

captainron1(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject: Alcohol

I heard it too. I somehow don't believe those boys are investing so heavily

into ethanol to loose money. From what I've heard Ethanol plants are

sprouting in Iowa overnight. I think even Bill Gates is investing in an

Ethanol plant in California.  There are some big players getting into that

market. ADM and some others, those are serious folks who don't Kidd around

when it comes to money.

Brazil runs on Ethanol.



Ron

Arizona

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MKIIIX040

Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 123
Location: Millinocket, Maine

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: Alcohol

Bill Gates can afford to lose money, Brazil has sugarcane and plenty of 

forest to kill off ( kinda like our Buffalo) to grow more.

It does cost nearly as much energy to make ethanol as you get out, unless 

ofcourse your susidiesed.  (spell check not working)

Why not put the research into a way to produce an unlimited polution free 

supply of Hydrogen more economicaly. And that Blimp your thinking of right 

now would have blown up with gasoline too.



If it's good enough for the rest of the Universe it's good enough for us.



Fuel for Kolbs related, ya think.



do not archive

Vic in Maine 



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Posts: 112
Location: Georgia

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: Alcohol

At 11:35 PM 6/19/2006, you wrote:

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I heard it too. I somehow don't believe those boys are investing so heavily

into ethanol to loose money. From what I've heard Ethanol plants are

sprouting in Iowa overnight.


	


The US imposes a 54-cent-per-gallon tariff on ethanol to discourage 

imports and protect domestic farmers. Simply put: Is this 54 cents 

justified at a time when prices are skyrocketing?



http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/04/petrobras_and_m.html

captainron1(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: Alcohol

No I don't think it's the right thing to do. I think Ethanol production

should be encouraged anywhere in the world. For one thing its bio friendly,

for another if we really get bummed out we can always drink a bit of it. 

There is an inbuilt advantage in north America for Ethanol. You can't grow

much in those far flung deserts.



Ron

Arizona

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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: Alcohol

russ kinne wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Ron, all

 I'v e been told it takes more energy to produce Ethanol than you get  

 out of it!  --

 does anyone know?or have a comment?



 do nboit archgi9ve


	




It *always* takes more energy to create a fuel than you get out of it. 

It's just that some forms had the energy put in there with no effort on 

our part.



You're probably thinking of the debate over cost of ethanol from corn, & 

it might (or might not) be true. There are other sources that are much 

more efficient in energy production. Brazil uses sugar cane & they have 

declared themselves energy independent. Another source is called (I 

think) switch grass.



If you really want to talk about cost, what do 2500 (& climbing) dead, 

18,000  (& climbing)  as-good-as-dead & before it's over, around 

$2trillion left for our kids & grand kids to pay, add to the cost of gas?



Comment mode off 



Charlie



(He who spends the money, raises the taxes)

FS2Kolb(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: Alcohol

Once  the big players get setup they will just give bribes (AKA political  

contributions) to our politicians so in turn they will make the  use of ethanol 

mandatory and make the big players even  richer. 

Do  not archive

In a message dated 6/19/2006 9:37:06 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  

captainron1(at)cox.net writes:



I heard  it too. I somehow don't believe those boys are investing so heavily

into  ethanol to loose money. From what I've heard Ethanol plants are

sprouting  in Iowa overnight. I think even Bill Gates is investing in an

Ethanol plant  in California.  There are some big players getting into that

market.  ADM and some others, those are serious folks who don't Kidd around

when it  comes to money.

Brazil runs on  Ethanol.



Ron

Arizona

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