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 Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:00 am Post subject: KIS included on wikipedia |
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Not sure how I came across this, but I found the KIS on wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIS_TR-1
AND using my LN-KIS in two photos!
Regards, Hans Christian
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 5:37 pm Post subject: KIS included on wikipedia |
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NICE!
ICAO 8643 has a photo of my airplane (N819PR) as the example of the KIS4. It also has OC Baker's airplane (N66OC) as the photo example of a KIS2.
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Hans Christian Erstad <hans.erstad(at)gmail.com (hans.erstad(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] Not sure how I came across this, but I found the KIS on wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIS_TR-1
AND using my LN-KIS in two photos!
Regards, Hans Christian
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 3:53 am Post subject: KIS included on wikipedia |
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5/28/2014
Hello Galin, Thanks for the reminder of the picture of my KIS TR-1 or KIS2 in the ICAO 8643 document.
I provided that picture to ICAO, but have never been able to go on the internet to see that picture in their files in spite of several attempts.
Can you please tell me how to get to that picture with my computer?
Many thanks,
OC
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From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: KIS included on wikipedia
NICE!
ICAO 8643 has a photo of my airplane (N819PR) as the example of the KIS4.
It also has OC Baker's airplane (N66OC) as the photo example of a KIS2.
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mark_trickel
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 6:45 am Post subject: Re: KIS included on wikipedia |
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Hello Hans,
I hope you are enjoying your stay here in the New World. I guess you will be forever immortalized in the cyber world with this recent wiki page. This page turned up while I as searching for KIS aircraft about two months ago. The good thing about wiki is it shows up on the top of most any web search. The bad thing is unfortunately 50 to 75 percent of the information posted is in fact misinformation. There are two other KIS wiki pages, one of them I contributed the production numbers.
The page mentions the KIS beginning as a sketch for an Australian prospect. While that may be fact I never heard that story from Rich. By 1987, Rich had tooled and produced many Lancair kit parts. The Lancair was and is an incredibly hard and time consuming kit to build. Rich set out to develop a simpler alternative. Many people contributed to the original design. When Rich first moved to California to work at Task he met NASA engineer Nate Rambo. These two hit it off right away, after all Rich was building a Dragonfly before he moved to CA and Nate had one well under way which Rich helped him finish. It was Nate that introduced Rich to Vance. Rich also solicited opinions from members of his local EAA chapter 723. Rich also met Martin Hollmann while working at Task and somehow the two of them convinced Lance to join with them to produce the composite kit parts for the Lancair. It is easy to see the similarities between the Lancair and the KIS, they both share the same engineer, construction materials and techniques, and metal control system parts.
The variants are also wrong. The page refers the TR-1C as a TR-1/TD. Rich hated the term taildragger, so that is way it was designated the TR-1C. It was Jack Cox who called it a Taildragger in the first SA article in which the TR-1C appeared late in 1992.
The completion numbers are also wrong. Both the FAA and the CAA are big institutions where accurate information seems to fall through the cracks. Real numbers are hard to come by but I believe I have the most accurate and up to date information about KIS as I am constantly searching for the KIS fleet. The total number of flying (or flew at one time or another) TR-1/TR-1C is currently 72, 9 have been lost in mishaps but 1 of those will be rebuilt. The total number of flying TR-4s are (or flew at one time or another) is 25, 4 lost in mishaps (included are 2 ready to fly - Ed Hanson, and Zizo Vilela).
Hans I am wondering if you might have met up with Randy Ott? He has a really mean 320 powered TR-1 just East of the San Francisco area in Stockton, CA.
Mark T.
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Thanks for the history update Mark.
No, I have not contact with Randy Ott. (Are you on this forum Randy?). I have only flown pass Stockton in Central valley. Here in the US I got a FAA license issued based on my Norwegain one, and I am renting Cessnas at Palo Alto. I realized that I had not flown anything but my KIS for the last 13 years, so the first couple of flights here was pretty stressful in those strange aluminum boxes - with all the airspace around San Francisco, Oakland and San Jose, and the non-ICAO (FAA) ways of doing things. But I really enjoy having the opportunity to fly around here - even if it is a Cessna. But I miss my KIS.
I plan to drive down to LA in a couple of weeks, and I will have to stop by in Oxnard, where the KIS history began and my #32 started off.
Hans Christian
2014-05-28 7:45 GMT-07:00 mark_trickel <marktrickel(at)gmail.com (marktrickel(at)gmail.com)>:
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Hello Hans,
I hope you are enjoying your stay here in the New World. I guess you will be forever immortalized in the cyber world with this recent wiki page. This page turned up while I as searching for KIS aircraft about two months ago. The good thing about wiki is it shows up on the top of most any web search. The bad thing is unfortunately 50 to 75 percent of the information posted is in fact misinformation. There are two other KIS wiki pages, one of them I contributed the production numbers.
The page mentions the KIS beginning as a sketch for an Australian prospect. While that may be fact I never heard that story from Rich. By 1987, Rich had tooled and produced many Lancair kit parts. The Lancair was and is an incredibly hard and time consuming kit to build. Rich set out to develop a simpler alternative. Many people contributed to the original design. When Rich first moved to California to work at Task he met NASA engineer Nate Rambo. These two hit it off right away, after all Rich was building a Dragonfly before he moved to CA and Nate had one well under way which Rich helped him finish. It was Nate that introduced Rich to Vance. Rich also solicited opinions from members of his local EAA chapter 723. Rich also met Martin Hollmann while working at Task and somehow the two of them convinced Lance to join with them to produce the composite kit parts for the Lancair. It is easy to see the similarities between the Lancair and the KIS, they both share the same engine!
er, construction materials and techniques, and metal control system parts.
The variants are also wrong. The page refers the TR-1C as a TR-1/TD. Rich hated the term taildragger, so that is way it was designated the TR-1C. It was Jack Cox who called it a Taildragger in the first SA article in which the TR-1C appeared late in 1992.
The completion numbers are also wrong. Both the FAA and the CAA are big institutions where accurate information seems to fall through the cracks. Real numbers are hard to come by but I believe I have the most accurate and up to date information about KIS as I am constantly searching for the KIS fleet. The total number of flying (or flew at one time or another) TR-1/TR-1C is currently 72, 9 have been lost in mishaps but 1 of those will be rebuilt. The total number of flying TR-4s are (or flew at one time or another) is 25, 4 lost in mishaps (included are 2 ready to fly - Ed Hanson, and Zizo Vilela).
Hans I am wondering if you might have met up with Randy Ott? He has a really mean 320 powered TR-1 just East of the San Francisco area in Stockton, CA.
Mark T.
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