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yellowbird1
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 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:09 pm Post subject: Dual Stick Postion and Movement |
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Kolbers My Mark-3 Xtra is fitted with dual sticks. But when seated in the pilot's seat, the neutral stick position is not centered between the pilot's thighs. Neutral stick is very close to the pilot's RIGHT inner thigh, which yields plenty of stick travel to the left, but very limited stick travel to the right. I can't move my right leg out of the way to the right, as it's blocked by the center console. Full right stick limit, when it hits my thigh, moves the ailerons only about 60 to 70 percent of their intended travel. Granted, most of the time I may not need the full roll authority but in the one instance i.e. wind shear, I sure would. And I've never seen any flyway sign saying "Danger Wind Sheer Ahead! Seek Alternate Route" you don't know where there might be one.
I've thought about adjusting the aileron push rods so that the ailerons are centered when the stick is a bit to the left, but it seems to me that this would limit the aileron movement as well.
Is this typical to the Xtra dual-stick design?What have other Xtra owners done to address this?Thanks -Brad Nation
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:21 pm Post subject: Dual Stick Postion and Movement |
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BradI have VERY little Kolb experience, but FWIW -- I've only flown one dual=stick Kolb, no problem. My immediate thought was 'make a new stick with an S-curve offset in it'. Should be fairly simple? Bending he original might make it too short.Good luck, fair winds,
Russ K
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On Jun 12, 2014, at 5:08 PM, nationcap(at)comcast.net (nationcap(at)comcast.net) wrote:
[quote]Kolbers My Mark-3 Xtra is fitted with dual sticks. But when seated in the pilot's seat, the neutral stick position is not centered between the pilot's thighs. Neutral stick is very close to the pilot's RIGHT inner thigh, which yields plenty of stick travel to the left, but very limited stick travel to the right. I can't move my right leg out of the way to the right, as it's blocked by the center console. Full right stick limit, when it hits my thigh, moves the ailerons only about 60 to 70 percent of their intended travel. Granted, most of the time I may not need the full roll authority but in the one instance i.e. wind shear, I sure would. And I've never seen any flyway sign saying "Danger Wind Sheer Ahead! Seek Alternate Route" you don't know where there might be one.
I've thought about adjusting the aileron push rods so that the ailerons are centered when the stick is a bit to the left, but it seems to me that this would limit the aileron movement as well.
Is this typical to the Xtra dual-stick design?What have other Xtra owners done to address this?Thanks -Brad Nation
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:34 pm Post subject: Dual Stick Postion and Movement |
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My Extra is just fine on the stick spacing.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:20 PM, kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com (russk50(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]BradI have VERY little Kolb experience, but FWIW -- I've only flown one dual=stick Kolb, no problem. My immediate thought was 'make a new stick with an S-curve offset in it'. Should be fairly simple? Bending he original might make it too short. Good luck, fair winds,
Russ K
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On Jun 12, 2014, at 5:08 PM, nationcap(at)comcast.net (nationcap(at)comcast.net) wrote:
| Quote: | Kolbers My Mark-3 Xtra is fitted with dual sticks.  But when seated in the pilot's seat, the neutral stick position is not centered between the pilot's thighs. Neutral stick is very close to the pilot's RIGHT inner thigh, which yields plenty of stick travel to the left, but very limited stick travel to the right.  I can't move my right leg out of the way to the right, as it's blocked by the center console.  Full right stick limit, when it hits my thigh, moves the ailerons only about 60 to 70 percent of their intended travel. Granted, most of the time I may not need the full roll authority but in the one instance i.e. wind shear, I sure would. And I've never seen any flyway sign saying "Danger Wind Sheer Ahead! Seek Alternate Route" you don't know where there might be one.Â
I've thought about adjusting the aileron push rods so that the ailerons are centered when the stick is a bit to the left, but it seems to me that this would limit the aileron movement as well.
Is this typical to the Xtra dual-stick design? What have other Xtra owners done to address this?Thanks - Brad Nation
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:47 pm Post subject: Dual Stick Postion and Movement |
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Is there a chance your dual stick assembly was built for the narrower mk iii classic? On Jun 12, 2014 3:11 PM, <nationcap(at)comcast.net (nationcap(at)comcast.net)> wrote:[quote] Kolbers My Mark-3 Xtra is fitted with dual sticks.  But when seated in the pilot's seat, the neutral stick position is not centered between the pilot's thighs. Neutral stick is very close to the pilot's RIGHT inner thigh, which yields plenty of stick travel to the left, but very limited stick travel to the right.  I can't move my right leg out of the way to the right, as it's blocked by the center console.  Full right stick limit, when it hits my thigh, moves the ailerons only about 60 to 70 percent of their intended travel. Granted, most of the time I may not need the full roll authority but in the one instance i.e. wind shear, I sure would. And I've never seen any flyway sign saying "Danger Wind Sheer Ahead! Seek Alternate Route" you don't know where there might be one.Â
I've thought about adjusting the aileron push rods so that the ailerons are centered when the stick is a bit to the left, but it seems to me that this would limit the aileron movement as well.
Is this typical to the Xtra dual-stick design? What have other Xtra owners done to address this?Thanks - Brad Nation
Yellowbird1
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yellowbird1
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:15 pm Post subject: Dual Stick Postion and Movement |
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How can I tell?
Brad
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Is there a chance your dual stick assembly was built for the narrower mk iii classic? On Jun 12, 2014 3:11 PM, <nationcap(at)comcast.net (nationcap(at)comcast.net)> wrote: | Quote: | Kolbers My Mark-3 Xtra is fitted with dual sticks. But when seated in the pilot's seat, the neutral stick position is not centered between the pilot's thighs. Neutral stick is very close to the pilot's RIGHT inner thigh, which yields plenty of stick travel to the left, but very limited stick travel to the right. I can't move my right leg out of the way to the right, as it's blocked by the center console. Full right stick limit, when it hits my thigh, moves the ailerons only about 60 to 70 percent of their intended travel. Granted, most of the time I may not need the full roll authority but in the one instance i.e. wind shear, I sure would. And I've never seen any flyway sign saying "Danger Wind Sheer Ahead! Seek Alternate Route" you don't know where there might be one.
I've thought about adjusting the aileron push rods so that the ailerons are centered when the stick is a bit to the left, but it seems to me that this would limit the aileron movement as well.
Is this typical to the Xtra dual-stick design? What have other Xtra owners done to address this?Thanks - Brad Nation
Yellowbird1
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:26 pm Post subject: Dual Stick Postion and Movement |
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I put dual controls in my X-tra. They were adjustable. I could adjust the sticks to the proper position. Kept them 6 months and removed them. Hated them, was really disappointed in them. It was difficult to get in the cockpit, but the biggest problems were the extra linkage put a lot of play in the controls. Then add in the short sticks and I couldn't handle the wind shears. Went back to the larger center stick which is more direct and provides much more leverage.
Scott Hudson
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On Jun 12, 2014, at 6:47 PM, B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com (byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Is there a chance your dual stick assembly was built for the narrower mk iii classic? On Jun 12, 2014 3:11 PM, <nationcap(at)comcast.net (nationcap(at)comcast.net)> wrote: | Quote: | Kolbers My Mark-3 Xtra is fitted with dual sticks. But when seated in the pilot's seat, the neutral stick position is not centered between the pilot's thighs. Neutral stick is very close to the pilot's RIGHT inner thigh, which yields plenty of stick travel to the left, but very limited stick travel to the right. I can't move my right leg out of the way to the right, as it's blocked by the center console. Full right stick limit, when it hits my thigh, moves the ailerons only about 60 to 70 percent of their intended travel. Granted, most of the time I may not need the full roll authority but in the one instance i.e. wind shear, I sure would. And I've never seen any flyway sign saying "Danger Wind Sheer Ahead! Seek Alternate Route" you don't know where there might be one.
I've thought about adjusting the aileron push rods so that the ailerons are centered when the stick is a bit to the left, but it seems to me that this would limit the aileron movement as well.
Is this typical to the Xtra dual-stick design? What have other Xtra owners done to address this?Thanks - Brad Nation
Yellowbird1
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:19 pm Post subject: Dual Stick Postion and Movement |
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Brad, You can adjust the rod ends on the control linkage to center the sticks. You'll have to remove at least one bolt as both rod ends are right hand threads. You can also slide the whole mechanism from side to side by loosening the bolts on the clamps that secure it to the seat frame cross member for gross adjustment if it's way out and then use the rod ends for fine tuning.
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On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Colin Hudson <colin.scott.hudson(at)gmail.com (colin.scott.hudson(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I put dual controls in my X-tra. Â They were adjustable. Â I could adjust the sticks to the proper position. Â Kept them 6 months and removed them. Â Hated them, was really disappointed in them. Â It was difficult to get in the cockpit, but the biggest problems were the extra linkage put a lot of play in the controls. Â Then add in the short sticks and I couldn't handle the wind shears. Â Went back to the larger center stick which is more direct and provides much more leverage. Â
Scott Hudson
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N424AL
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On Jun 12, 2014, at 6:47 PM, B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com (byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Is there a chance your dual stick assembly was built for the narrower mk iii classic? On Jun 12, 2014 3:11 PM, <nationcap(at)comcast.net (nationcap(at)comcast.net)> wrote: | Quote: | Kolbers My Mark-3 Xtra is fitted with dual sticks.  But when seated in the pilot's seat, the neutral stick position is not centered between the pilot's thighs. Neutral stick is very close to the pilot's RIGHT inner thigh, which yields plenty of stick travel to the left, but very limited stick travel to the right.  I can't move my right leg out of the way to the right, as it's blocked by the center console.  Full right stick limit, when it hits my thigh, moves the ailerons only about 60 to 70 percent of their intended travel. Granted, most of the time I may not need the full roll authority but in the one instance i.e. wind shear, I sure would. And I've never seen any flyway sign saying "Danger Wind Sheer Ahead! Seek Alternate Route" you don't know where there might be one.Â
I've thought about adjusting the aileron push rods so that the ailerons are centered when the stick is a bit to the left, but it seems to me that this would limit the aileron movement as well.
Is this typical to the Xtra dual-stick design? What have other Xtra owners done to address this? Thanks - Brad Nation
Yellowbird1
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