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budyerly(at)msn.com
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 Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:57 am Post subject: Identification of parts |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Thomas,
The part is a Jamar twin cylinder steering brake used in the US for some time in trick cars or "drifting".
It is a good master cylinder for the Europa Trigear with hand (finger) brakes. We have little trouble with them. It usually is the install and bleeding techniques that cause trouble... I have clients with the Jamar and have been trouble free for 10 years. We change fluid about every 3-5 years due to moisture concerns or discoloration in the reservoir fluid.
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Handles must be at least 9 inches long from the piston up for very easy operation.
Bleeding this master cylinder is a bit of a pain. It must be installed so that it can be layed on its side to bleed. The bleed hole is a horizontally drilled hole so to bleed by pressure from the wheel, one must lay the Jamar on its side with the bleeded side down and rock it to assure a bubble free piston.
Originally these were shipped without the inside of the bores cleaned of polishing fluid as it was assumed one would not operate the brakes without reading the Jamar instructions and disassemble and clean them. Unfortunately, Europa and others failed to include this instruction. A new rubber kit is only $30 US.
Jamar recomends bench bleeding. I'm too lazy.
Works with any type fluid. We recommend Dot 5 (silicone) or Mil 5606 hydraulic fluid. Dot 5 doesn't stain paint or interior in most cases. Mil 5606 is industry standard, but the red sticky fluid will stain everything if left to sit.
See the attached bleeding guide and how we do park brake installs for easier bleeding and operation... We do a complete bleed in about 45 minutes for both sides. If your brakes were installed permanently, then I suggest you make sure you can service them. In my opinion, nothing should be built into an airplane you can't easily remove to service, repair or replace. Nothing.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:56 am Post subject: Identification of parts |
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Can one use the old style foot cylinders as finger bakes?
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com (budyerly(at)msn.com)> wrote:
[quote] Thomas,
The part is a Jamar twin cylinder steering brake used in the US for some time in trick cars or "drifting".
It is a good master cylinder for the Europa Trigear with hand (finger) brakes. We have little trouble with them. It usually is the install and bleeding techniques that cause trouble... I have clients with the Jamar and have been trouble free for 10 years. We change fluid about every 3-5 years due to moisture concerns or discoloration in the reservoir fluid.
Note:
Handles must be at least 9 inches long from the piston up for very easy operation.
Bleeding this master cylinder is a bit of a pain. It must be installed so that it can be layed on its side to bleed. The bleed hole is a horizontally drilled hole so to bleed by pressure from the wheel, one must lay the Jamar on its side with the bleeded side down and rock it to assure a bubble free piston.
Originally these were shipped without the inside of the bores cleaned of polishing fluid as it was assumed one would not operate the brakes without reading the Jamar instructions and disassemble and clean them. Unfortunately, Europa and others failed to include this instruction. A new rubber kit is only $30 US.
Jamar recomends bench bleeding. I'm too lazy.
Works with any type fluid. We recommend Dot 5 (silicone) or Mil 5606 hydraulic fluid. Dot 5 doesn't stain paint or interior in most cases. Mil 5606 is industry standard, but the red sticky fluid will stain everything if left to sit.
See the attached bleeding guide and how we do park brake installs for easier bleeding and operation... We do a complete bleed in about 45 minutes for both sides. If your brakes were installed permanently, then I suggest you make sure you can service them. In my opinion, nothing should be built into an airplane you can't easily remove to service, repair or replace. Nothing.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:45 am Post subject: Identification of parts |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Will,
My old shop computer failed to send this.
Trying again. If the photo doesn't show, email me off line.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:07 am Post subject: Identification of parts |
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Bud
Thanks
Phew...I did almost exactly that. I used the foot bracket screwed upside down to the tunnel. When I stared nev advised me to open the belly per the mono (mine is a tri) which gives me access to all that stuff that goes in the tunnel.
Thanks
Will On 5 Oct 2014 10:50, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly(at)msn.com (budyerly(at)msn.com)> wrote:[quote] Will,
My old shop computer failed to send this.
Trying again. If the photo doesn't show, email me off line.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:51 am Post subject: Identification of parts |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Will,
Nev understands having good maintanence access is critical.
I did my one shots to be cheap and eliminate a lot of build and head scratching time. Now I'm back to the head scratching time.
Regards,
Bud
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