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erichdtrombley(at)juno.co
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:35 am Post subject: SKyview 10"

Hi Jeff,

 

Attached are a couple of pictures of the Dynon Skyview 10" installation.  I was able to shoehorn in the larger screen by making a couple of modifications to the panel substructure.  The transition from steam gauges to the Dynon was a non-issue.  The system is very intuitive and I just love it.  I was thinking about installing the smaller 7" Skyview in the center stack primarily as the engine monitor and to serve as a backup, however, after spending considerable time at OSH this year viewing the 10" and 7" side by side, and I just can't see installing the smaller unit as there is too much difference in viewing area. The 10" in the center stack will require extensive modification to to the panel though, so we will see.  If you are considering installing the Skyview I highly recommend the larger 10" display.

 

Kind regards,

Erich Trombley

N28ET Classic Mono 914

  

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phillik747

Joined: 04 Apr 2012
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Location: Birminham, AL USA

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:42 pm Post subject: SKyview 10"

That looks amazing.  I've been thinking of putting the Skyview in my bird.   Can you post more details about your experience with the install?   Or do you have an europa owners gallery page? 

Thanks, 

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Jeff(at)rmmm.net
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:48 am Post subject: SKyview 10"

Very Nice Erich!! I am now inspired!! Now I only need some time and extra money 



 Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush 

 

 

On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Erich Trombley wrote:

[quote]Hi Jeff,

 

Attached are a couple of pictures of the Dynon Skyview 10" installation.  I was able to shoehorn in the larger screen by making a couple of modifications to the panel substructure.  The transition from steam gauges to the Dynon was a non-issue.  The system is very intuitive and I just love it.  I was thinking about installing the smaller 7" Skyview in the center stack primarily as the engine monitor and to serve as a backup, however, after spending considerable time at OSH this year viewing the 10" and 7" side by side, and I just can't see installing the smaller unit as there is too much difference in viewing area. The 10" in the center stack will require extensive modification to to the panel though, so we will see.  If you are considering installing the Skyview I highly recommend the larger 10" display.

 

Kind regards,

Erich Trombley

N28ET Classic Mono 914

 

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erichdtrombley(at)juno.co
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:40 am Post subject: SKyview 10"

Hello all,

 

Thanks for the kind words on my Skyview installation.  I will see about uploading additional photos and pertinent info on the conversion to my album hosted on the EuropaOwners website.  Regarding Fred's question, I have not upgraded to the touch screen...yet.  While I did check it out at OSH, I haven't made up my mind.  It is tempting though.

 

Regards,

Erich Trombley

N28ET

Classic Mono 914

 

  



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carlp101

Joined: 07 Mar 2016
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: SKyview 10

Looks great Erich. Here's my installation.



All the best.

Carl

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erichdtrombley(at)juno.co
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:59 am Post subject: SKyview 10"

Hi Carl,



Nice installation!   Looks like you have all the bells and whistles. 



Enjoy.

Erich Trombley

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carlp101

Joined: 07 Mar 2016
Posts: 120

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:56 am Post subject: Re: SKyview 10

Thanks Erich.



I've now integrated a PilotAware traffic monitoring system too, so I get live traffic. It works really well.



All the best.

Carl

Burrilla

Joined: 25 Apr 2015
Posts: 187

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:33 am Post subject: SKyview 10"

Carl,



Interesting as I'm working with the Conspicuity working group and have been trying a POWER FLARM with a V3+ LED Display.



Be interested in your feed back on the use of your set up and how your getting on with the traffic awareness point of view - did you realise that if you flew into AeroExpo you could have got some money towards your fuel if you had completed a feedback form.



I'm finding that I am picking up a lot of Mode A transponders but not many Mode-S or even ADS-B at the moment and flew into Sywell for all three days and also again to day into Elstree.



I'm really pleased therefore with being able to get alerts for Mode A/C as it would appear that the number of GA conflicts with anything else is few and far between at the moment.



If you get a chance to drop into Brimpton let me know and I'll meet you there for a chat.



Alan Burrill

G-OBJT



Sent from my iPad



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		   On 4 Jul 2016, at 16:56, carlp101 <cparkinson(at)cisc-uk.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Thanks Erich.

 

 I've now integrated a PilotAware traffic monitoring system too, so I get live traffic. It works really well.

 

 All the best.

 Carl

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457709#457709

dg.watts(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:05 am Post subject: SKyview 10"

Alan and Carl,

I have been running a Power Flarm for about 2 years now displaying on a Mini iPad with Skydemon and for almost a year I have also been running PilotAware displaying on a second mini iPad also with Skydemon and this setup has for the last 6 weeks been upgraded to the new PilotAware Classic which shows Mode S as well although I haven't linked the audio option yet S I've been a bit busy lately.

I have also had a day with NATS when me and Kevin Challis in his Tri Gear ran some conspicuity trials and last weekend I flew in to AeroExpo again on the NATS trial.

Before I start my observations I should point out that no more than a glance should be given to the traffic awareness system, you should spend nearly all of your time looking out of the windows, that is where the threat is, the system is just trying to help you look in the right place.

My observations are that the Power Flarm is good at displaying everything, ie. gliders using Flarm, aircraft using ADSB out (both me and Kevin have enabled this option through the LAA scheme) and other transponders. However it falls down by only showing the Flarm and ADSB as aircraft symbols in their relative position to me plus their height, whilst Mode S/C/A transponders are shown merely as a circle around my aircraft symbol at their relative distance but also showing their height. So when it comes up I have to have a look right round (which is obviously difficult to the rear).

On the other hand PilotAware shows ADSB and Mode S aircraft as a symbol plus their direction height and registration but no depiction of Mode A/C at all. This is a problem as judging by my experiences so far, I would say that this probably means that only half the traffic flying are being displayed, although that display is in a much better format. PilotAware also shows other PilotAware users but those numbers are very low at the moment.

In the trials that we did with NATS they had a new, prototype all in one, with mini screen, traffic box that we trialled that showed ADSB, Flarm and Mode A/C/S. Unfortunately we only flew with it for about 2 hours, but what we saw looked very promising, although Mode A/C depiction was only as a note on the side of the screen.

What we really need is for everybody to enable ADSB out. This is very simple if you have a fitted GPS and a Mode S Transponder that is ADSB out enabled (most of the current breed are). It just needs one wire to connect the two and the paperwork through the LAA is ultra simple and no charge. You would then be properly seen by all traffic systems.

It's still early days, but the future looks hopeful, and having had 2 ultra near misses, I look forward to the day.

In near miss one, I was just under the cloud base and an aircraft came down out of the cloud right in front of me. We both banked away and I recon we missed by about 20ft.

The second was even closer. I was in the circuit on right base looking at the runway. I looked round out of my window and all I saw was a cowling. I pushed the stick really hard, it all went dark and then looking right I saw a twin disappear into the distance without deviation. Phew!!!!!!

Dave Watts

G-BXDY Classic Monowheel 2230 hours

 	  Quote: 	
		   On 4 Jul 2016, at 17:32, Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk> wrote:

 Carl,

 Interesting as I'm working with the Conspicuity working group and have been trying a POWER FLARM with a V3+ LED Display.

 Be interested in your feed back on the use of your set up and how your getting on with the traffic awareness point of view - did you realise that if you flew into AeroExpo you could have got some money towards your fuel if you had completed a feedback form.

 I'm finding that I am picking up a lot of Mode A transponders but not many Mode-S or even ADS-B at the moment and flew into Sywell for all three days and also again to day into Elstree.

 I'm really pleased therefore with being able to get alerts for Mode A/C as it would appear that the number of GA conflicts with anything else is few and far between at the moment.

 If you get a chance to drop into Brimpton let me know and I'll meet you there for a chat.

 Alan Burrill

 G-OBJT

 Sent from my iPad

> On 4 Jul 2016, at 16:56, carlp101 <cparkinson(at)cisc-uk.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Thanks Erich.

> 

> I've now integrated a PilotAware traffic monitoring system too, so I get live traffic. It works really well.

> 

> All the best.

> Carl

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Read this topic online here:

> 

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457709#457709

Burrilla

Joined: 25 Apr 2015
Posts: 187

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:42 am Post subject: SKyview 10"

Thanks David I also work with the NATS Team and have been conducting many of the formal trials with the LPAT and also acting as a target aircraft for others trialling the device.

Like you I also have ADS-B out enabled and your experience regarding displays I echo including the point about any display device being a prompt and aid to the view out of the window.

The reason for my selection of the V3+ butterfly is exactly for that reason as it is small enough to be unobtrusive and providing audio and visual prompts of a potential threat. While I have used PiWare display on a Tablet I found the brain power taking time to decipher out the threats from many non threatening  ADS-B targets approaching Heathrow was distracting from the view out of the window.

Alan

GOBJT

Sent from my iPad

 	  Quote: 	
		   On 4 Jul 2016, at 19:05, David Watts <dg.watts(at)talktalk.net> wrote:

 Alan and Carl,

 I have been running a Power Flarm for about 2 years now displaying on a Mini iPad with Skydemon and for almost a year I have also been running PilotAware displaying on a second mini iPad also with Skydemon and this setup has for the last 6 weeks been upgraded to the new PilotAware Classic which shows Mode S as well although I haven't linked the audio option yet S I've been a bit busy lately.

 I have also had a day with NATS when me and Kevin Challis in his Tri Gear ran some conspicuity trials and last weekend I flew in to AeroExpo again on the NATS trial.

 Before I start my observations I should point out that no more than a glance should be given to the traffic awareness system, you should spend nearly all of your time looking out of the windows, that is where the threat is, the system is just trying to help you look in the right place.

 My observations are that the Power Flarm is good at displaying everything, ie. gliders using Flarm, aircraft using ADSB out (both me and Kevin have enabled this option through the LAA scheme) and other transponders. However it falls down by only showing the Flarm and ADSB as aircraft symbols in their relative position to me plus their height, whilst Mode S/C/A transponders are shown merely as a circle around my aircraft symbol at their relative distance but also showing their height. So when it comes up I have to have a look right round (which is obviously difficult to the rear).

 On the other hand PilotAware shows ADSB and Mode S aircraft as a symbol plus their direction height and registration but no depiction of Mode A/C at all. This is a problem as judging by my experiences so far, I would say that this probably means that only half the traffic flying are being displayed, although that display is in a much better format. PilotAware also shows other PilotAware users but those numbers are very low at the moment.

 In the trials that we did with NATS they had a new, prototype all in one, with mini screen, traffic box that we trialled that showed ADSB, Flarm and Mode A/C/S. Unfortunately we only flew with it for about 2 hours, but what we saw looked very promising, although Mode A/C depiction was only as a note on the side of the screen.

 What we really need is for everybody to enable ADSB out. This is very simple if you have a fitted GPS and a Mode S Transponder that is ADSB out enabled (most of the current breed are). It just needs one wire to connect the two and the paperwork through the LAA is ultra simple and no charge. You would then be properly seen by all traffic systems.

 It's still early days, but the future looks hopeful, and having had 2 ultra near misses, I look forward to the day.

 In near miss one, I was just under the cloud base and an aircraft came down out of the cloud right in front of me. We both banked away and I recon we missed by about 20ft.

 The second was even closer. I was in the circuit on right base looking at the runway. I looked round out of my window and all I saw was a cowling. I pushed the stick really hard, it all went dark and then looking right I saw a twin disappear into the distance without deviation. Phew!!!!!!

 Dave Watts

 G-BXDY Classic Monowheel 2230 hours

> On 4 Jul 2016, at 17:32, Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Carl,

> 

> Interesting as I'm working with the Conspicuity working group and have been trying a POWER FLARM with a V3+ LED Display.

> 

> Be interested in your feed back on the use of your set up and how your getting on with the traffic awareness point of view - did you realise that if you flew into AeroExpo you could have got some money towards your fuel if you had completed a feedback form.

> 

> I'm finding that I am picking up a lot of Mode A transponders but not many Mode-S or even ADS-B at the moment and flew into Sywell for all three days and also again to day into Elstree.

> 

> I'm really pleased therefore with being able to get alerts for Mode A/C as it would appear that the number of GA conflicts with anything else is few and far between at the moment.

> 

> If you get a chance to drop into Brimpton let me know and I'll meet you there for a chat.

> 

> Alan Burrill

> G-OBJT

> 

> Sent from my iPad

> 

>> On 4 Jul 2016, at 16:56, carlp101 <cparkinson(at)cisc-uk.com> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Thanks Erich.

>> 

>> I've now integrated a PilotAware traffic monitoring system too, so I get live traffic. It works really well.

>> 

>> All the best.

>> Carl

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Read this topic online here:

>> 

>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457709#457709

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

spcialeffects

Joined: 29 Aug 2012
Posts: 306
Location: Kent

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:26 am Post subject: Re: SKyview 10

I am still in the building stage. At the moment my aircraft is in the body shop and I am getting on with the instrument panel. I have decided to go for........ Well everything. My thinking behind it is that within my flying time homebuilds will be able to fly ifr and at night and so am gearing my craft to be able to do that from day one. Thoughts please

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brian.davies(at)clara.co.
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:56 am Post subject: SKyview 10"

Although the Europa has not yet been tested it is such a well sorted machine

we all hope it will prove to be an excellent instrument platform.  I am sure

our American owners will be able to comment on that aspect.  Regarding

equipment fit, please read the LAA technical leaflets TL2.27 and TL2.28 on

the website.  The usual rules apply- keep it simple and keep it light.  You

don't actually need a lot of gear to fly IFR or at night in the UK.



Brian Davies



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carlp101

Joined: 07 Mar 2016
Posts: 120

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: SKyview 10

Alan. If you text me your number to 07810 565195 I'll give you a call when I'm popping over from Membury. Possibly this weekend.



Brian. I'm working with Peter Pengelly from the LAA to try and get the VFR restriction removed from my Europa. As it'll be the first of type it might cost me a few quid, but it'll then open the way for IMC. 



spcialeffects. Wow that looks a busy panel. What are you using to give you certified GPS/Nav etc. I was looking at options for my plane.



Regards

Carl

carlp101

Joined: 07 Mar 2016
Posts: 120

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:34 am Post subject: Re: SKyview 10

spcialeffects,



Just had a thought. This may not be relevant depending on where you are based, and it may be too late, but it's advisable to buy the second panel from a manufacturer other than Dynon. I know that the LAA want you to use different systems. I guess it's to prevent a common systems error. 



Regards

Carl

spcialeffects

Joined: 29 Aug 2012
Posts: 306
Location: Kent

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: SKyview 10

Hi Carl. Im here in the UK. I choose to go for an all Dynon fit as i like their equipment. I have doubled up on everything and both 10" and 7" screens have separate back up batteries, GPS receivers and ADAHR boxes plus as back up i have the steam asi and alt meters. 



Frank

carlp101

Joined: 07 Mar 2016
Posts: 120

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: SKyview 10

Wow Frank. That some serious equipment list. I hate to think what the bill came to.   



All the best. 

Carl

spcialeffects

Joined: 29 Aug 2012
Posts: 306
Location: Kent

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:12 am Post subject: Re: SKyview 10

It's true, it wasn't cheap but I'm only building once and when up and flying I don't want to be retro fitting stuff I want to be enjoying blue sky's and not the inside off my workshop

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