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haribole

Joined: 21 Feb 2014
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Location: United States

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:47 am Post subject: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

Hello Group

I happen to acquire a Blue Mountain Avionics Powerboard along with an EFIS purchase and contemplating incorporating this in the Z19RB on my Bearhawk. The Powerboard came with lighted switches and seems to make the wiring process simpler, hence the inclination to use it.Â  Wondering if the powerboard adds any value, other than the lighted switch, which I guess I can add other wise as well, to the electrical system or should I just dump it and keep it simple with the Z19RB?

Thanks

Hari



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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:10 pm Post subject: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

At 12:46 2015-03-31, you wrote:

Hello Group



I happen to acquire a Blue Mountain Avionics 

Powerboard along with an EFIS purchase and 

contemplating incorporating this in the Z19RB on 

my Bearhawk. The Powerboard came with lighted 

switches and seems to make the wiring process 

simpler, hence the inclination to use 

it.Â  Wondering if the powerboard adds any value, 

other than the lighted switch, which I guess I 

can add other wise as well, to the electrical 

system or should I just dump it and keep it simple with the Z19RB?



Thanks

Hari



   Thanks a long story my friend. But first, indulge us a

   bit . . . what kind of EFIS system came with the Power

   Board? Tell us more about your project:



   Engine, fuel system, ignition system, number and sizes

   of proposed alternators and how do you plan to use this

   airplane? Finally, why Z-19?





   Bob . . .

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:50 pm Post subject: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

Also be aware that Blue Mountain is long out of business after a number 

of very shakey years prior to the collapse.

So anything that is Blue Mountain design will be limited to generic 

electronic parts for repair.



On 3/31/2015 2:09 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

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 At 12:46 2015-03-31, you wrote:

 Hello Group



 I happen to acquire a Blue Mountain Avionics Powerboard along with an 

 EFIS purchase and contemplating incorporating this in the Z19RB on my 

 Bearhawk. The Powerboard came with lighted switches and seems to make 

 the wiring process simpler, hence the inclination to use it.Â  

 Wondering if the powerboard adds any value, other than the lighted 

 switch, which I guess I can add other wise as well, to the electrical 

 system or should I just dump it and keep it simple with the Z19RB?



 Thanks

 Hari



   Thanks a long story my friend. But first, indulge us a

   bit . . . what kind of EFIS system came with the Power

   Board? Tell us more about your project:



   Engine, fuel system, ignition system, number and sizes

   of proposed alternators and how do you plan to use this

   airplane? Finally, why Z-19?





   Bob . . .

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haribole

Joined: 21 Feb 2014
Posts: 33
Location: United States

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:26 pm Post subject: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

Thanks Bob, ever so grateful for such an amazing resource of knowledge and experience, humbly bow down 

The project is a 4 place bearhawk with an Eggenfellner 3.0 L Subaru EZ30 fuel injected engine. It has an SDS EFI and one 60A alternator. Since the engine is an electrically dependent engine, Z19 seemed to be the best. Though I am not IFR certified, eventually plan to fly IFR.Â 

I am aware that BMA is out of business, but considering the price at which I bought the package consisting of an 8" EFIS, 5" EFIS, the power board, auto pilot servos and the engine pod, it made sense in dollar terms to take a risk. The EFIS was practically new and I bench tested everything. Also, know of a few people who are happily using the same without any problems for several years.

Other than the EFIS, I have acquired the following avionics:

1. GTX 330

2. SL30

3. Microair COM (backup)

Eagerly looking forward to words of wisdom from this enlightened group.

Thanks

Hari





On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com (kellym(at)aviating.com)> wrote:

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 Also be aware that Blue Mountain is long out of business after a number of very shakey years prior to the collapse.

 So anything that is Blue Mountain design will be limited to generic electronic parts for repair.

 

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 Hello Group

 

 I happen to acquire a Blue Mountain Avionics Powerboard along with an EFIS purchase and contemplating incorporating this in the Z19RB on my Bearhawk. The Powerboard came with lighted switches and seems to make the wiring process simpler, hence the inclination to use it.Ã‚Â  Wondering if the powerboard adds any value, other than the lighted switch, which I guess I can add other wise as well, to the electrical system or should I just dump it and keep it simple with the Z19RB?

 

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 Hari

 

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 Â  Engine, fuel system, ignition system, number and sizes

 Â  of proposed alternators and how do you plan to use this

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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:50 am Post subject: Re: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

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		  Wondering if the powerboard adds any value, . . . or should I just dump it and keep it simple with the Z19RB? 	


This is a matter of personal preference.  My preference is to make it easy to repair in the future.  Keep it simple.  It is easy to troubleshoot and replace a bad switch.  A power board might not be so easy.  Sell it on eBay.

Joe

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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:00 am Post subject: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

At 22:25 2015-03-31, you wrote:

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		  Thanks Bob, ever so grateful for such an amazing 

resource of knowledge and experience, humbly bow down 



The project is a 4 place bearhawk with an 

Eggenfellner 3.0 L Subaru EZ30 fuel injected 

engine. It has an SDS EFI and one 60A 

alternator. Since the engine is an electrically 

dependent engine, Z19 seemed to be the best. 

Though I am not IFR certified, eventually plan to fly IFR.Â



I am aware that BMA is out of business, but 

considering the price at which I bought the 

package consisting of an 8" EFIS, 5" EFIS, the 

power board, auto pilot servos and the engine 

pod, it made sense in dollar terms to take a 

risk. The EFIS was practically new and I bench 

tested everything. Also, know of a few people 

who are happily using the same without any problems for several years.



Other than the EFIS, I have acquired the following avionics:



1. GTX 330

2. SL30

3. Microair COM (backup)



Eagerly looking forward to words of wisdom from this enlightened group.


	


   You've already been offered some such words . . . I'm packing

   up for a day-trip to Wichita to visit a customer but I'll

   be back this evening to address your questions in more detail.

   In the mean time there are no doubt others who would like

   to share ideas and reasons . . .



   Bob . . .

haribole

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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:05 am Post subject: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

Yes Joe, if it is not adding to the system reliability or ease of use, will avoid using it.

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 > Wondering if the powerboard adds any value, . . . or should I just dump it and keep it simple with the Z19RB?

 

 This is a matter of personal preference.Â  My preference is to make it easy to repair in the future.Â  Keep it simple.Â  It is easy to troubleshoot and replace a bad switch.Â  A power board might not be so easy.Â  Sell it on eBay.

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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:13 am Post subject: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

After having a Blue mountain freeze up flying ifr.  I threw it in the trash.

  

 Regards

  

 Ron Raby

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haribole

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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:30 am Post subject: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

Which model / version was that Ron? The earlier Gen 3 had many problems, but since they changed to an RT linux OS, and better hardware, it supposed to be stable.Â 

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[quote]       After having a Blue mountain freeze up flying ifr.  I threw it in the trash.

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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:50 am Post subject: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

It was an efis 1. it was an early one for  sure.

  

 Ron

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haribole

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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:00 am Post subject: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

Thanks Ron, that is comforting to know it was not the later version.Â 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Ron Raby <ronr(at)advanceddesign.com (ronr(at)advanceddesign.com)> wrote:

[quote]       It was an efis 1. it was an early one for  sure.

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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:15 am Post subject: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

Hi Hari

  

 It was a lot of work to get the unit working  properly sometimes. Where other equipment was plug and play. I just did not want  to see anyone else go thru the same. 100s of extra hours.

  

 Ron

  

  

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Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:21 pm Post subject: BMA Powerboard with Z19RB

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		  >Eagerly looking forward to words of wisdom from this enlightened group.



   You've already been offered some such words . . . I'm packing

   up for a day-trip to Wichita to visit a customer but I'll

   be back this evening to address your questions in more detail.

   In the mean time there are no doubt others who would like

   to share ideas and reasons . . .


	


    BMA has a rich history in amateur built aviation that

    offers many reasons to ponder the wisdom of going

    airborne with any of their products.



    As much as I gunch and groan about the floobydust

    and hoop-jumping forced upon TC aviation, there are

    fundamentals that go to design, verification and system

    reliability that have nothing to do with regulations.

    They have everything to do with simple ideas in physics

    and reduction in risk by capitalizing on lessons learned

    and putting lots of clear heads onto good critical

    review.



    In spite of offers from myself and others for free

    assists in such matters, the BMA design and marketing

    philosophy plodded on to a predictable outcome. Perhaps

    good fortune smiled down on OBAM aviation with

    respect to BMA. I'm aware of no instances of injury

    or damage to an aircraft due to failure of BMA

    products to perform. At the same time, I'm equally

    unaware of any pilot who claims to trust his BMA

    fitted airplane enough to go bore precision holes in clouds.



    You can read my best efforts to engage Mr. Richter

    in the simple ideas and proven practices for wiring

    an airplane here . . .



http://tinyurl.com/omnuypr



    I had no opportunity to engage him in conversation

    about software performance and robustness testing,

    failure mode effects analysis or partitioning

    functionality for independence, much less fabrication

    for survival in the aviation environment. Based on

    what I learned in the exchange above . . . well . . .



    It's your choice my friend but I would look long

    and hard for any success stories about the hardware

    you are contemplating for your airplane.



    Personally, I'd rather launch into clouds with

    needle, ball, airspeed, hand held gps and a wing

    leveler (or two) than with the BMA suite of

    products.

   Bob . . .

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