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w0odi

Joined: 05 Apr 2015
Posts: 20
Location: Ozarks Hills

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:48 pm Post subject: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

I am 6'2" guy that weighs in at 250 to 260 lbs range just wondering if I am to heavy to fly the Kolbra......I have been told that I am to heavy for this machine and the weight and balance would be to nose heavy with me.



I am just curious cause I am considering buying one of these machines or something similar and just want your expertise on this issue.. Would I be better off with say a Mark III let me know what you all think about this.



Thanks in advance

Larry

Frankd

Joined: 28 Mar 2008
Posts: 64

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:33 am Post subject: Re: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

HI Larry,



I have a MkIII xtra and have never flown a Kolbra but I am 200Lbs and can take another 200Lb passenger in my 80HP Jabiru plane,  but it does make the nose a little heavy and I have limited passengers to 200Lbs for my comfort level. 



If I take a 60Lb person it flys just fine with no noticeble effect,  so I would expect a MkIII to fly fine also. 



I have sat in a Kolbra and I would advise you to try out each model as getting in and out could be the major issue in deciding what model works best  for you. 



If you intend to fly just by yourself I would consider flying from the back seat in a Kolbra for weight and balance considerations but it may not make much difference.  



Good luck with your search.

Frankd

N1014S.

Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:27 am Post subject: Re: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

Larry, as far as your up front max weight of 260 lbs, it's not a problem. My wife and I weigh about 400 lbs (total weight of course) ahead of the cg and yes the nose is a little heavy, but I always have enough up elevator to make safe landings. I would recommend the Rotax 912uls (100 hp) for max performance and the added weight aft of the cg to offset your weight if you are concerned about it. I have my weight and balance sheets on file if you are interested.



I have made several videos with my wife and I flying the Kolbra. She does all the video from the rear seat and yes you will be able to fly yours from the front. If you would like to see any of these videos they are here on my youtube channel:



https://www.youtube.com/user/flyguy8294



Ralph

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Ralph B

Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours

w0odi

Joined: 05 Apr 2015
Posts: 20
Location: Ozarks Hills

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

Ralph and Franks thanks for the Info and the quick replies...  I sure do appreciate you both taking time to give me some info on my concerns..

This is a great forum with a good bunch and lots of knowledge to draw from...

Thanks again

Larry

patrickjladd(at)hotmail.c
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:25 am Post subject: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

Hi Larry, I know there are pilots in the States who regularly fly  their 

planes at an all up weight which would be illegal here.Fine if you can get 

away with it (I suppose) Certainly if you did it here and had a crunch the 

insurers would not pay out if they could prove (and they can) that you were 

overweight on take off.  In any case why have a plane straining all the time 

to keep you in the air when  one with a bit more load carrying capacity, not 

to mention room, is available. Incidentally is that 250/260 lbs you mention 

dripping wet in  the bathroom. If so think about the weight of your clothes, 

boots sandwiches, bottles of water etc. Don`t kid yourself. Cheers.

Pat



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Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:38 am Post subject: Re: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

 	  patrickjladd(at)hotmail.c wrote: 	
		  Hi Larry, I know there are pilots in the States who regularly fly  their 

planes at an all up weight which would be illegal here.Fine if you can get 

away with it (I suppose) Certainly if you did it here and had a crunch the 

insurers would not pay out if they could prove (and they can) that you were 

overweight on take off.  In any case why have a plane straining all the time 

to keep you in the air when  one with a bit more load carrying capacity, not 

to mention room, is available. Incidentally is that 250/260 lbs you mention 

dripping wet in  the bathroom. If so think about the weight of your clothes, 

boots sandwiches, bottles of water etc. Don`t kid yourself. Cheers.

Pat



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Pat you have to remember that Larry would be flying solo and if he carried a passenger, that person would have to be within the weight limits for the Kolbra W&B. His max weight of 260 lbs is well within the weight limits for the Kolbra. I have 400 lbs and more with me and my wife flying and as you can see in the videos that it flies well.



Ralph

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Kolb Kolbra 912uls
N20386
550 hours

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:33 am Post subject: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

I am the manufacturer of my airplane, a Hauck/Kolb MKIII.  I decide on what

the limitations are based on experience, design, and testing.



Most of us Americans don't like the Feds telling us what we can and cannot

do.  



I can assure you, my MKIII is been thoroughly tested and proven to be more

than capable of any limitations I have imposed on it.



Ain't it nice to do things your way once in a while, have it all down its

Airworthiness Certificate, and all legal and above board.



I did a 20 minute test flight this morning.  The new gear legs performed

great after three TO's and landings.  Didn't have time to fly over to

Wetumpka Airport and land on pavement, but it sure did nice on grass and cow

crap.  Yep, it's under the wing and on the horizontal tail.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama



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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

w0odi

Joined: 05 Apr 2015
Posts: 20
Location: Ozarks Hills

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

John if I ever get one it will be landed in the pasture and will have cow crap on it too...so just slinging a little money on the wings and tail...

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:33 pm Post subject: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

I do my best landings at my 700 foot grass strip that has difficult

approaches, landing NW or SE.  Lots of 100 foot hardwoods to get over, then

let the bottom drop out, hold 50 mph and grease it in.  The opposite

direction have to get over a high hedge row and make a 45 degree turn on

short, short final.   The bigger the airport and the more runway I have, the

worst landings I will make.  Think it is psychological. 



My last landing this morning I hit a fresh one.  When they have been eating

all this new crop green grass, it goes in one in and squirts out the other.

When it dries it is like epoxy.



We got about 100 head of new cows the last couple days.  They haven't

learned the routine yet.  The old cows were born and raised around my

airplane and noisy tractors.  They don't pay much attention to any of them

except when they want to irritate me.  They all love to feed and crap on my

airstrip.



Will start piling my camping gear in a pile on the living room floor and

check off my equipment list.  All I got to do now is clean up Miss P'fer and

top her off with fuel.  Then do a little rain dance so I'll have good

weather Monday to fly to Lakeland.  It is 425 sm.  Normally takes me 5.0

hours flight time, but have done it in 4.0 when I could snag a good

tailwind.



Hope to see a bunch of you guys down there.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama



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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

patrickjladd(at)hotmail.c
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:19 am Post subject: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

Most of us Americans don't like the Feds telling us what we can and cannot 

do>>  No argument there John although the Americans seem to have a more 

aggressive streak of independence than we do. Trouble is that the more 

people you have in a small space the more organisation/ interference is 

need. Boy! Hove we got a lot of people in a small space

That cow crap is OK if you pick it up  landing.It doesn`t have time to go 

hard. If you pick it up on takeoff its like concrete when you land. Out with 

the bucket.

You would love our Wx at the moment. Nearly three weeks of more or less wall 

to wall sunshine and clear skies. Little or no wind.Good viz. Skies are so 

clear that I have seen the Space Station go over  for the last four nights.



Pat

patrickjladd(at)hotmail.c
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:25 pm Post subject: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

Most of us Americans don't like the Feds telling us what we can and cannot 

do>>  No argument there John although the Americans seem to have a more 

aggressive streak of independence than we do. Trouble is that the more 

people you have in a small space the more organisation/ interference is 

need. Boy! Hove we got a lot of people in a small space

That cow crap is OK if you pick it up  landing.It doesn`t have time to go 

hard. If you pick it up on takeoff its like concrete when you land. Out with 

the bucket.

You would love our Wx at the moment. Nearly three weeks of more or less wall 

to wall sunshine and clear skies. Little or no wind.Good viz. Skies are so 

clear that I have seen the Space Station go over  for the last four nights.



Pat

patrickjladd(at)hotmail.c
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:25 pm Post subject: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

Hi Ralph.

Rules here are

Single seater MTOW 661lbs

Two seater 992 lbs MTOW

This is properly weighed as for C of G, full fuel etc. Done by test pilot on 

renewal of  annual C of A, but only about every 5 years.(Planes seem to get 

naturally heavier with time)

Plane must stall at MTOW at 40 mph



We also have a sort of superlight category which operates under hardly any 

rules at all except the all up weight.It is so low that it never interested 

me and the planes look to be a bit of a handful in very moderate conditions. 

Fun though. There is a very pretty Fokker Eindecker about which is 

beautiful.



Pat





Pat you have to remember that Larry would be flying solo and if he carried a 

passenger, that person would have to be within the weight limits for the 

Kolbra W&B. His max weight of 260 lbs is well within the weight limits for 

the Kolbra. I have 400 lbs and more with me and my wife flying and as you 

can see in the videos that it flies well.



Ralph



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Ralph B

Original Firestar 447

N91493 E-AB

1000+ hours

28 years flying it



Kolbra 912ULS

N20386

350 hours





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w0odi

Joined: 05 Apr 2015
Posts: 20
Location: Ozarks Hills

Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: 250# pilot to heavy to solo Kolbra?

 	  Ralph B wrote: 	
		  Larry, as far as your up front max weight of 260 lbs, it's not a problem. My wife and I weigh about 400 lbs (total weight of course) ahead of the cg and yes the nose is a little heavy, but I always have enough up elevator to make safe landings. I would recommend the Rotax 912uls (100 hp) for max performance and the added weight aft of the cg to offset your weight if you are concerned about it. I have my weight and balance sheets on file if you are interested.



I have made several videos with my wife and I flying the Kolbra. She does all the video from the rear seat and yes you will be able to fly yours from the front. If you would like to see any of these videos they are here on my youtube channel:



https://www.youtube.com/user/flyguy8294

Thanks Ralph I have watched most of your videos and really enjoy them.. but you guys are polar bears.....I am from missouri and it doesn't get that cold very often down here Thank The Lord.... any way I just wanted to thank you for your kind reply and Dennis told me you fly a regular firestar and you are some lighter than me but he mentioned you said it flew fine with your weight..  Thanks again for your comment on this..



Larry



Ralph

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