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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:58 pm    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

Yes correct, Chutes was sold but Jon refused to deliver them after the deal was closed and he received the cash.

Not funny to make deals, transfer money and arrange for friends to make the pick up at S&F when the seller Mr Jon chicken out from the deal and dont reply at all to people trying to reach him.

I Wonder if its like this in US that you can make deals get the cash and two weeks later run like a chicken away from it?

For the record Jon has refunded the money, but this is not about the money. Its about gentlemen agreement!!

Have a nice day,

Håvard
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:11 am    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

This is nasty indeed, Havard, but being a European myself, I can testify
that I've never been treated like this when buying from someone in the USA.
I've bought parts on several occasions from several sources and it was
always very correctly handled.
Unfortunately, I have had quite bad experiences in Europe, that is.

Jan
On 26/04/15 09:58, "havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com" <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com>
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Yes correct, Chutes was sold but Jon refused to deliver them after the
deal was closed and he received the cash.

Not funny to make deals, transfer money and arrange for friends to make
the pick up at S&F when the seller Mr Jon chicken out from the deal and
dont reply at all to people trying to reach him.

I Wonder if its like this in US that you can make deals get the cash and
two weeks later run like a chicken away from it?

For the record Jon has refunded the money, but this is not about the
money. Its about gentlemen agreement!!

Have a nice day,

Håvard
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:04 am    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

Hi Jan

Yes up to now experiences have been good for me too. To me these experiences damage my trust I have when I enter into agreements of this kind and it makes me pissed off. Because if we have no trust when dealing overseas everything is more difficult.

If I sell something and has received payment, I mean that the buyer has all rights over what I've sold. And I am obliged to do my part of the deal.

A deal is a deal, and for me it takes a long time to build up trust, but only one second to break it!

Hopefully this is a one time experience, have a nice day.

Br
Havard

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:49 am    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

Guys,

This is of no interest to most of us on the list. Take it off line!
Ernie
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 6:04 AM, <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com)

Hi Jan

Yes up to now experiences have been good for me too. To me these experiences damage my trust I have when I enter into agreements of this kind and it makes me pissed off. Because if we have no trust when dealing overseas everything is more difficult.

If I sell something and has received payment, I mean that the buyer has all rights over what I've sold. And I am obliged to do my part of the deal.

A deal is a deal, and for me it takes a long time to build up trust, but only one second to break it!

Hopefully this is a one time experience, have a nice day.

Br
Havard



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:55 am    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

Indeed, but then there shouldn't be any sales offers via the list either.
Particularly when goods are offered, paid for and then not delivered.


J.
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com (erniel29(at)gmail.com)>
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Date: Sunday 26 April 2015 15:48
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Parachutes for Sale

Guys,

This is of no interest to most of us on the list. Take it off line!
Ernie
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 6:04 AM, <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com)

Hi Jan

Yes up to now experiences have been good for me too. To me these experiences damage my trust I have when I enter into agreements of this kind and it makes me pissed off. Because if we have no trust when dealing overseas everything is more difficult.

If I sell something and has received payment, I mean that the buyer has all rights over what I've sold. And I am obliged to do my part of the deal.

A deal is a deal, and for me it takes a long time to build up trust, but only one second to break it!

Hopefully this is a one time experience, have a nice day.

Br
Havard

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:16 am    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

I know Jon personally and have found him to always be a forthright and honorable person.  I'm sure there must be some reason why they were not delivered and until such time as we on the Yak list hear his side of the story, I will not pass judgement on either him or the situation.Dennis

From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be>
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Parachutes for Sale

Indeed, but then there shouldn't be any sales offers via the list either.Particularly when goods are offered, paid for and then not delivered.

J.
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com>
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Date: Sunday 26 April 2015 15:48
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Parachutes for Sale

Guys,
This is of no interest to most of us on the list. Take it off line!
Ernie
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 6:04 AM, <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com> wrote:



Hi Jan

Yes up to now experiences have been good for me too. To me these experiences damage my trust I have when I enter into agreements of this kind and it makes me pissed off. Because if we have no trust when dealing overseas everything is more difficult.

If I sell something and has received payment, I mean that the buyer has all rights over what I've sold. And I am obliged to do my part of the deal.

A deal is a deal, and for me it takes a long time to build up trust, but only one second to break it!

Hopefully this is a one time experience, have a nice day.

Br
Havard

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:14 am    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

Did I not read that the money was refunded? In the U.S., the seller has the right to change their minds concerning the sale of private property. It becomes illegal when funds are taken and then the product is not delivered. In that case the seller has committed fraud and the buyer has legal recourse.
I have known Jon Blake  for a number of years. He has always been forthright and honorable. As a retired U.S. Army Aviator I would expect nothing less. Since he changed his mind and refunded the money no crime was committed. .
Doc

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On Apr 26, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)> wrote:
[quote]Indeed, but then there shouldn't be any sales offers via the list either.
Particularly when goods are offered, paid for and then not delivered.


J.
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com (erniel29(at)gmail.com)>
Reply-To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Sunday 26 April 2015 15:48
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Parachutes for Sale

Guys,

This is of no interest to most of us on the list. Take it off line!
Ernie
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 6:04 AM, <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com)

Hi Jan

Yes up to now experiences have been good for me too. To me these experiences damage my trust I have when I enter into agreements of this kind and it makes me pissed off. Because if we have no trust when dealing overseas everything is more difficult.

If I sell something and has received payment, I mean that the buyer has all rights over what I've sold. And I am obliged to do my part of the deal.

A deal is a deal, and for me it takes a long time to build up trust, but only one second to break it!

Hopefully this is a one time experience, have a nice day.

Br
Havard

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:40 am    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

Really? This is rather remarkable.
A seller in the US has the right to change his mind after a deal is concluded?
I am amazed.
So, we Europeans have to be very cautious when we want to deal with US citizens?
Mr Martinez, no worries, I won't comment any further.
I agree that this item is a topic that never should have appeared on this list.
Nor the offer for sale that never really was an offer for sale.
J.
From: Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc(at)me.com (f16viperdoc(at)me.com)>
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Date: Sunday 26 April 2015 19:13
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Parachutes for Sale

Did I not read that the money was refunded? In the U.S., the seller has the right to change their minds concerning the sale of private property. It becomes illegal when funds are taken and then the product is not delivered. In that case the seller has committed fraud and the buyer has legal recourse.
I have known Jon Blake for a number of years. He has always been forthright and honorable. As a retired U.S. Army Aviator I would expect nothing less. Since he changed his mind and refunded the money no crime was committed. .
Doc

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On Apr 26, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be (jan.mevis(at)informavia.be)> wrote:
[quote]Indeed, but then there shouldn't be any sales offers via the list either.
Particularly when goods are offered, paid for and then not delivered.


J.
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com (erniel29(at)gmail.com)>
Reply-To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Sunday 26 April 2015 15:48
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)" <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Parachutes for Sale

Guys,

This is of no interest to most of us on the list. Take it off line!
Ernie
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 6:04 AM, <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com (havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com)

Hi Jan

Yes up to now experiences have been good for me too. To me these experiences damage my trust I have when I enter into agreements of this kind and it makes me pissed off. Because if we have no trust when dealing overseas everything is more difficult.

If I sell something and has received payment, I mean that the buyer has all rights over what I've sold. And I am obliged to do my part of the deal.

A deal is a deal, and for me it takes a long time to build up trust, but only one second to break it!

Hopefully this is a one time experience, have a nice day.

Br
Havard

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:14 am    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

Ditto

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[quote] On Apr 27, 2015, at 12:12 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

I know Jon personally and have found him to always be a forthright and honorable person. I'm sure there must be some reason why they were not delivered and until such time as we on the Yak list hear his side of the story, I will not pass judgement on either him or the situation.
Dennis

From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be>
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Parachutes for Sale

Indeed, but then there shouldn't be any sales offers via the list either.
Particularly when goods are offered, paid for and then not delivered.


J.

From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com>
Reply-To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Sunday 26 April 2015 15:48
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Parachutes for Sale

Guys,

This is of no interest to most of us on the list. Take it off line!

Ernie

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 6:04 AM, <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com> wrote:


Hi Jan

Yes up to now experiences have been good for me too. To me these experiences damage my trust I have when I enter into agreements of this kind and it makes me pissed off. Because if we have no trust when dealing overseas everything is more difficult.

If I sell something and has received payment, I mean that the buyer has all rights over what I've sold. And I am obliged to do my part of the deal.

A deal is a deal, and for me it takes a long time to build up trust, but only one second to break it!

Hopefully this is a one time experience, have a nice day.

Br
Havard



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:37 pm    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

Well I find it kind of educational. Who to buy from and who not to buy from. Or who too maybe or maybe not trust that a deal is closed. I'm pretty sure that that once offered, accepted and payment tendered and received, you can't just change your mind. Although if he sent the money back, the postage to send the money and the interest on the money, it may be acceptable to the buyer but not required.
Let's not get into a pissing contest. It should be kept as a private issue off line. However, if this is acceptable behavior for our group, I shall be more cautious as to whom I deal with.
After all, many on the list sell to many on the list.
It's actually a nice break from the weeks on end of air leaks discussion. It's a pneumatic airplane. Part of the adventure. Live with it.
At my age I have air leaks as well.

Bill

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[quote] On Apr 27, 2015, at 02:40, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be> wrote:

Really? This is rather remarkable.
A seller in the US has the right to change his mind after a deal is concluded?
I am amazed.
So, we Europeans have to be very cautious when we want to deal with US citizens?
Mr Martinez, no worries, I won't comment any further.
I agree that this item is a topic that never should have appeared on this list.
Nor the offer for sale that never really was an offer for sale.

J.



From: Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc(at)me.com>
Reply-To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Sunday 26 April 2015 19:13
To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Parachutes for Sale

Did I not read that the money was refunded? In the U.S., the seller has the right to change their minds concerning the sale of private property. It becomes illegal when funds are taken and then the product is not delivered. In that case the seller has committed fraud and the buyer has legal recourse.
I have known Jon Blake for a number of years. He has always been forthright and honorable. As a retired U.S. Army Aviator I would expect nothing less. Since he changed his mind and refunded the money no crime was committed. .
Doc

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 26, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be> wrote:
>
> Indeed, but then there shouldn't be any sales offers via the list either.
> Particularly when goods are offered, paid for and then not delivered.
>
>
> J.
>
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
> Date: Sunday 26 April 2015 15:48
> To: "yak-list(at)matronics.com" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Parachutes for Sale
>
> Guys,
>
> This is of no interest to most of us on the list. Take it off line!
>
> Ernie
>
>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 6:04 AM, <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Jan
>>
>> Yes up to now experiences have been good for me too. To me these experiences damage my trust I have when I enter into agreements of this kind and it makes me pissed off. Because if we have no trust when dealing overseas everything is more difficult.
>>
>> If I sell something and has received payment, I mean that the buyer has all rights over what I've sold. And I am obliged to do my part of the deal.
>>
>> A deal is a deal, and for me it takes a long time to build up trust, but only one second to break it!
>>
>> Hopefully this is a one time experience, have a nice day.
>>
>> Br
>> Havard
>>
>>
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:28 am    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

I am not a Lawyer.... just a member of this list.

However it dawns on me that if a Yak List member puts something for sale ON THIS LIST, (and no one has a problem with that) then the seller must also accept the risk of someone complaining about problems with the sale on this list as well.

If you don't want to risk that, then don't put it on this list to begin with.

Just my 2 cents and I am sure many might disagree.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:15 pm    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

Yep you have to be careful about the American's you deal with in America.
After all look at the lying, dimwit, socialist, most of our citizens voted to be president.
They are now it seem in the majority.
Blake like me is a vet. Un like me, he's an former Army helicopter pilot who has been shot at.
If you have any experience with helicopter pilots in general, you know they live a life close to catastrophe.
If they see something that isn't right, they either don't or change the situation. Screw protocol.
And if you've been shot at, you have a tendency to change ANY situation which is in not your best interest and screw protocol.
Army helicopter pilots in general screw protocol.
Army helicopter pilots will often screw protocol to get GIs out of a jam at the expense of their own life.
So as far as this pilot is concerned, Army helicopter pilots are welcome to screw protocol whenever they wish.
And I can tell you for sure that Army helicopter didn't vote for that Lying, dimwit, socialist we have for a president.
Yep the rest of those Americans you need to watch out for.

My spine thus empty.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby


In a message dated 4/27/2015 11:29:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil writes:
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Really? This is rather remarkable.
A seller in the US has the right to change his mind after a deal is concluded?
I am amazed.
So, we Europeans have to be very cautious when we want to deal with US citizens?
Mr Martinez, no worries, I won't comment any further.
I agree that this item is a topic that never should have appeared on this list.
Nor the offer for sale that never really was an offer for sale.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:09 pm    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

Pappy,
I new there was another reason I liked you. You are a Vet too.
Oh yeah, SHACK!
Doc

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On Apr 27, 2015, at 3:15 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com) wrote:
[quote] Yep you have to be careful about the American's you deal with in America.
After all look at the lying, dimwit, socialist, most of our citizens voted to be president.
They are now it seem in the majority.
Blake like me is a vet. Un like me, he's an former Army helicopter pilot who has been shot at.
If you have any experience with helicopter pilots in general, you know they live a life close to catastrophe.
If they see something that isn't right, they either don't or change the situation. Screw protocol.
And if you've been shot at, you have a tendency to change ANY situation which is in not your best interest and screw protocol.
Army helicopter pilots in general screw protocol.
Army helicopter pilots will often screw protocol to get GIs out of a jam at the expense of their own life.
So as far as this pilot is concerned, Army helicopter pilots are welcome to screw protocol whenever they wish.
And I can tell you for sure that Army helicopter didn't vote for that Lying, dimwit, socialist we have for a president.
Yep the rest of those Americans you need to watch out for.

My spine thus empty.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby


In a message dated 4/27/2015 11:29:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil) writes:
Quote:
Really? This is rather remarkable.
A seller in the US has the right to change his mind after a deal is concluded?
I am amazed.
So, we Europeans have to be very cautious when we want to deal with US citizens?
Mr Martinez, no worries, I won't comment any further.
I agree that this item is a topic that never should have appeared on this list.
Nor the offer for sale that never really was an offer for sale.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:43 am    Post subject: Parachutes for Sale Reply with quote

Screw protocol? People in Baltimore have been shot at, they have all screwed protocol for what is in their best interest. Therefor they are all helicopter pilots?
Just wondering
Bill

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On Apr 28, 2015, at 10:07, Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc(at)me.com (f16viperdoc(at)me.com)> wrote:
[quote]Pappy,
I new there was another reason I liked you. You are a Vet too.
Oh yeah, SHACK!
Doc

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On Apr 27, 2015, at 3:15 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com) wrote:
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Yep you have to be careful about the American's you deal with in America.
After all look at the lying, dimwit, socialist, most of our citizens voted to be president.
They are now it seem in the majority.
Blake like me is a vet. Un like me, he's an former Army helicopter pilot who has been shot at.
If you have any experience with helicopter pilots in general, you know they live a life close to catastrophe.
If they see something that isn't right, they either don't or change the situation. Screw protocol.
And if you've been shot at, you have a tendency to change ANY situation which is in not your best interest and screw protocol.
Army helicopter pilots in general screw protocol.
Army helicopter pilots will often screw protocol to get GIs out of a jam at the expense of their own life.
So as far as this pilot is concerned, Army helicopter pilots are welcome to screw protocol whenever they wish.
And I can tell you for sure that Army helicopter didn't vote for that Lying, dimwit, socialist we have for a president.
Yep the rest of those Americans you need to watch out for.

My spine thus empty.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby


In a message dated 4/27/2015 11:29:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil) writes:
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Really? This is rather remarkable.
A seller in the US has the right to change his mind after a deal is concluded?
I am amazed.
So, we Europeans have to be very cautious when we want to deal with US citizens?
Mr Martinez, no worries, I won't comment any further.
I agree that this item is a topic that never should have appeared on this list.
Nor the offer for sale that never really was an offer for sale.


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Oh come on Bill. You can't be comparing those rioters to Army helicopter pilots? I know Army helicopter pilots can as gross and disrespectful as a Marine but beat up a woman in a wheel chair, burn down a nursing home or beat up a police car? Naaaaa Wink
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby

In a message dated 4/28/2015 9:43:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, l129bs(at)gmail.com writes:
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Screw protocol? People in Baltimore have been shot at, they have all screwed protocol for what is in their best interest. Therefor they are all helicopter pilots?


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On Apr 28, 2015, at 10:07, Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc(at)me.com (f16viperdoc(at)me.com)> wrote:
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Pappy,
I new there was another reason I liked you. You are a Vet too.
Oh yeah, SHACK!
Doc

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 27, 2015, at 3:15 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com) wrote:
Quote:
Yep you have to be careful about the American's you deal with in America.
After all look at the lying, dimwit, socialist, most of our citizens voted to be president.
They are now it seem in the majority.
Blake like me is a vet. Un like me, he's an former Army helicopter pilot who has been shot at.
If you have any experience with helicopter pilots in general, you know they live a life close to catastrophe.
If they see something that isn't right, they either don't or change the situation. Screw protocol.
And if you've been shot at, you have a tendency to change ANY situation which is in not your best interest and screw protocol.
Army helicopter pilots in general screw protocol.
Army helicopter pilots will often screw protocol to get GIs out of a jam at the expense of their own life.
So as far as this pilot is concerned, Army helicopter pilots are welcome to screw protocol whenever they wish.
And I can tell you for sure that Army helicopter didn't vote for that Lying, dimwit, socialist we have for a president.
Yep the rest of those Americans you need to watch out for.

My spine thus empty.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby


In a message dated 4/27/2015 11:29:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil) writes:
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Really? This is rather remarkable.
A seller in the US has the right to change his mind after a deal is concluded?
I am amazed.
So, we Europeans have to be very cautious when we want to deal with US citizens?
Mr Martinez, no worries, I won't comment any further.
I agree that this item is a topic that never should have appeared on this list.
Nor the offer for sale that never really was an offer for sale.


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