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flynn elliott

Joined: 23 Jun 2007
Posts: 20
Location: SOUTH AFRICA

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:22 am Post subject: 912 rough running below 3000 rpm

Hi Roger,and all who offered advice,

The rough running is now in the history books.

After cleaning the carbs yet again, blowing air around and through every

nook and cranny all over a white towel with no crud to be seen whatsoever, I

reassembeled the carbs with new jet 'o' rings etc. Put the carbs back on and

balanced with gauges then a borrowed Carbmate (which is fantastic to use)

Fired up the motor and to my great surprise my 912 was back to her old self,

smooth as silk.

I sooo wish we found some crapp in the carbs if only to tell me the problem

!!

Many many thanks for the help.

Flynn

 

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Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: 912 rough running below 3000 rpm

Hi Flynn,



Glad it worked out. 



Sometimes when you clean the carbs the tiniest spec goes flying out and the eye never sees it. It may have been a passage that only had a partial obstruction to cause the roughness.  It's happened to me. I have learned not to piecemeal everything and just bugle down and just the job top to bottom and 100% and that eliminates that as a potential problem. Over all it will take less time in the long run and be a lot less frustrating.

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:11 pm Post subject: 912 rough running below 3000 rpm

Congrats, Flynn,Just to be safe, stay within gliding distance of your field for the next couple of hours. A couple of years ago I had a piece of mystery crud come back to block the main jet. Not fun.

Safe skies,

Rick Girard

do not archive

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Flynn Elliott <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za (foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za)> wrote:

[quote]--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Flynn Elliott" <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za (foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za)>

 

 Hi Roger,and all who offered advice,

 The rough running is now in the history books.

 After cleaning the carbs yet again, blowing air around and through every

 nook and cranny all over a white towel with no crud to be seen whatsoever, I

 reassembeled the carbs with new jet 'o' rings etc. Put the carbs back on and

 balanced with gauges then a borrowed Carbmate (which is fantastic to use)

 Fired up the motor and to my great surprise my 912 was back to her old self,

 smooth as silk.

 I sooo wish we found some crapp in the carbs if only to tell me the problem

 !!

 Many many thanks for the help.

 Flynn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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flynn elliott

Joined: 23 Jun 2007
Posts: 20
Location: SOUTH AFRICA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:20 am Post subject: 912 rough running below 3000 rpm

Thanks Rick,

I fully hear what you say, and have now put just on two happy hours with eyes and ears on full standby, although I have to say the problem was never at cruise rpm, but good advice for anyone to take onboard.

Keep well

Flynn

 

From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard

Sent: 17 July 2015 05:10 AM

To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: 912 rough running below 3000 rpm



 

Congrats, Flynn,

Just to be safe, stay within gliding distance of your field for the next couple of hours. A couple of years ago I had a piece of mystery crud come back to block the main jet. Not fun.



 



Safe skies,



Rick Girard



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On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Flynn Elliott <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za (foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za)> wrote:

--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Flynn Elliott" <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za (foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za)>



Hi Roger,and all who offered advice,

The rough running is now in the history books.

After cleaning the carbs yet again, blowing air around and through every

nook and cranny all over a white towel with no crud to be seen whatsoever, I

reassembeled the carbs with new jet 'o' rings etc. Put the carbs back on and

balanced with gauges then a borrowed Carbmate (which is fantastic to use)

Fired up the motor and to my great surprise my 912 was back to her old self,

smooth as silk.

I sooo wish we found some crapp in the carbs if only to tell me the problem

!!

Many many thanks for the help.

Flynn



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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:04 am Post subject: 912 rough running below 3000 rpm

If safety was his concern he would not be flying a Rotax!

I am at a loss for words.  I just do not understand why you guys are so loyal to an engine that has so many problems and poor designs.  I read the Lycoming, Continental, Jabaru, Subaru, and WV sites, they do not have the ridiculous problems that Rotax does, and when a problem does surface they fix it by eliminating it.  Not by living with it!  



On Thursday, July 16, 2015, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]Congrats, Flynn,Just to be safe, stay within gliding distance of your field for the next couple of hours. A couple of years ago I had a piece of mystery crud come back to block the main jet. Not fun.

Safe skies,

Rick Girard

do not archive

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Flynn Elliott <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za> wrote:

[quote]--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Flynn Elliott" <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za>

 

 Hi Roger,and all who offered advice,

 The rough running is now in the history books.

 After cleaning the carbs yet again, blowing air around and through every

 nook and cranny all over a white towel with no crud to be seen whatsoever, I

 reassembeled the carbs with new jet 'o' rings etc. Put the carbs back on and

 balanced with gauges then a borrowed Carbmate (which is fantastic to use)

 Fired up the motor and to my great surprise my 912 was back to her old self,

 smooth as silk.

 I sooo wish we found some crapp in the carbs if only to tell me the problem

 !!

 Many many thanks for the help.

 Flynn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:36 am Post subject: 912 rough running below 3000 rpm

We all do it just to give you something to read about...

     

     On 7/17/2015 1:03 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:

     

     [quote]       If safety was his concern he would not be flying a Rotax!

       

       

       I am at a loss for words.  I just do not understand why you guys       are so loyal to an engine that has so many problems and poor       designs.  I read the Lycoming, Continental, Jabaru, Subaru, and WV       sites, they do not have the ridiculous problems that Rotax does,       and when a problem does surface they fix it by eliminating it.        Not by living with it!  

       

       On Thursday, July 16, 2015, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> wrote:

       [quote]         Congrats, Flynn,           Just to be safe, stay within gliding distance of your             field for the next couple of hours. A couple of years ago I             had a piece of mystery crud come back to block the main jet.             Not fun.

           

           

           Safe skies,

           Rick Girard

           do not archive

         

         

           On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:20 PM,             Flynn Elliott <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za>             wrote:

             [quote]-->               RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Flynn Elliott" <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za>

               

               Hi Roger,and all who offered advice,

               The rough running is now in the history books.

               After cleaning the carbs yet again, blowing air around and               through every

               nook and cranny all over a white towel with no crud to be               seen whatsoever, I

               reassembeled the carbs with new jet 'o' rings etc. Put the               carbs back on and

               balanced with gauges then a borrowed Carbmate (which is               fantastic to use)

               Fired up the motor and to my great surprise my 912 was               back to her old self,

               smooth as silk.

               I sooo wish we found some crapp in the carbs if only to               tell me the problem

               !!

               Many many thanks for the help.

               Flynn

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

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svanarts

Joined: 03 Feb 2011
Posts: 2
Location: Modesto, CA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:59 am Post subject: 912 rough running below 3000 rpm

I haven't had any issues with my Rotax 912ULS.  It's been dependable for me.



On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:03 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]If safety was his concern he would not be flying a Rotax!

I am at a loss for words.  I just do not understand why you guys are so loyal to an engine that has so many problems and poor designs.  I read the Lycoming, Continental, Jabaru, Subaru, and WV sites, they do not have the ridiculous problems that Rotax does, and when a problem does surface they fix it by eliminating it.  Not by living with it!  



On Thursday, July 16, 2015, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]Congrats, Flynn,Just to be safe, stay within gliding distance of your field for the next couple of hours. A couple of years ago I had a piece of mystery crud come back to block the main jet. Not fun.

Safe skies,

Rick Girard

do not archive

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Flynn Elliott <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za> wrote:

[quote]--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Flynn Elliott" <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za>

 

 Hi Roger,and all who offered advice,

 The rough running is now in the history books.

 After cleaning the carbs yet again, blowing air around and through every

 nook and cranny all over a white towel with no crud to be seen whatsoever, I

 reassembeled the carbs with new jet 'o' rings etc. Put the carbs back on and

 balanced with gauges then a borrowed Carbmate (which is fantastic to use)

 Fired up the motor and to my great surprise my 912 was back to her old self,

 smooth as silk.

 I sooo wish we found some crapp in the carbs if only to tell me the problem

 !!

 Many many thanks for the help.

 Flynn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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flynn elliott

Joined: 23 Jun 2007
Posts: 20
Location: SOUTH AFRICA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:28 am Post subject: 912 rough running below 3000 rpm

If the “he” you refer to having no concern for safety is actually “me” then I would seriously take you to task !!  Nine years behind a well serviced Rotax and the first issue is fuel contamination ( read speck of crud in the carb)

By the way what Jabiru site do you read ?

Been there , got the T shirt, Two rebuilds in under 40 hrs !

If you were not referring to me then have a nice day.

Flynn

 

From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE

Sent: 17 July 2015 08:04 PM

To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Re: 912 rough running below 3000 rpm



 

If safety was his concern he would not be flying a Rotax!



 



I am at a loss for words.  I just do not understand why you guys are so loyal to an engine that has so many problems and poor designs.  I read the Lycoming, Continental, Jabaru, Subaru, and WV sites, they do not have the ridiculous problems that Rotax does, and when a problem does surface they fix it by eliminating it.  Not by living with it!  



On Thursday, July 16, 2015, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Congrats, Flynn,

Just to be safe, stay within gliding distance of your field for the next couple of hours. A couple of years ago I had a piece of mystery crud come back to block the main jet. Not fun.



 



Safe skies,



Rick Girard



do not archive

 

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Flynn Elliott <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za (foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za)> wrote:

--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Flynn Elliott" <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za (foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za)>



Hi Roger,and all who offered advice,

The rough running is now in the history books.

After cleaning the carbs yet again, blowing air around and through every

nook and cranny all over a white towel with no crud to be seen whatsoever, I

reassembeled the carbs with new jet 'o' rings etc. Put the carbs back on and

balanced with gauges then a borrowed Carbmate (which is fantastic to use)

Fired up the motor and to my great surprise my 912 was back to her old self,

smooth as silk.

I sooo wish we found some crapp in the carbs if only to tell me the problem

!!

Many many thanks for the help.

Flynn



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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:53 pm Post subject: 912 rough running below 3000 rpm

FLYaDive,

 I just read your post relaxing with my phone then lunged  at my computer.  True story.  When I was building my first airplane in  the late 90s, a friend started his as well.  We were pretty much on a  parallel course.  Like you, he was concerned about the abundance of service  letters and bulletins from Rotax, so he opted for a Subaru EA-81 which was  then supported by our kit plane factory. The Subaru conversion company was  completely, read COMPLETELY, silent on anything at all and that gave him great  comfort.   I stayed with my gut feelings and went 912.  I first flew  in 1998 and subsequently put 900 hours on mine.  To this date, he has less  than 40 on his and it has been up for sale for at least ten years with no  takers.   I also have a very good friend who flies behind a  Jabaru.  I have helped him with some issues.  The inside of his lower  cowl looks like a catch basin for an oil change bay.  He has had one  overhaul in less than 400 hours and now no longer has to re-torque the head  bolts after every flight, but still adds oil after every flight.  Neither  of these guys have ever been on any type of email list or forum.

  

 If you really feel that no news is good news, then good  luck to you.

 Lowell Fitt

   From: FLYaDIVE (flyadive(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 11:03 AM

 To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com (rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com)  

 Subject: RE: Re: 912 rough running below 3000  rpm

 



 If safety was his concern he would not be flying a Rotax!

 



I am at a loss for words.  I just do not understand why  you guys are so loyal to an engine that has so many problems and poor  designs.  I read the Lycoming, Continental, Jabaru, Subaru, and WV  sites, they do not have the ridiculous problems that Rotax does, and when a  problem does surface they fix it by eliminating it.  Not by living  with it!  



On Thursday, July 16, 2015, Richard Girard  <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		     Congrats, Flynn,    Just to be safe, stay within gliding distance of your field for the next    couple of hours. A couple of years ago I had a piece of mystery crud come back    to block the main jet. Not fun.

   



   Safe skies,

   Rick Girard

   do not archive



   

   On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Flynn Elliott <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za> wrote:

    	  Quote: 	
		  -->      RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Flynn Elliott"      <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za>



Hi Roger,and all who      offered advice,

The rough running is now in the history books.

After      cleaning the carbs yet again, blowing air around and through every

nook      and cranny all over a white towel with no crud to be seen whatsoever,      I

reassembeled the carbs with new jet 'o' rings etc. Put the carbs back      on and

balanced with gauges then a borrowed Carbmate (which is fantastic      to use)

Fired up the motor and to my great surprise my 912 was back to      her old self,

smooth as silk.

I sooo wish we found some crapp in the      carbs if only to tell me the problem

!!

Many many thanks for the      help.

Flynn



-----Original      Message-----

From:      owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com]      On Behalf Of Roger Lee

Sent: 03 June 2015 04:01 PM

To:      rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re:      912 rough running below 3000 rpm



--> RotaxEngines-List message      posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>



Hi      Flynn,



The carb must be off the engine and held upside down. Take a      MM ruler and

stand it upright (straight up) on the outside lip of the      carb. Now slide it

over towards the float armature so you can see the      ruler marks next to the

float armature. The top of the float armature      should be 10.5mm. If it is not

just bend the tab where the float needle      is suspended to obtain the proper

10.5mm height. This is what controls      the fuel level in the bowl as the

floats push up against it. If it is off      adjustment it can cause some

flooding and rough      running.



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Roger Lee

Tucson, Az.

Rotax Instructor      &amp; Rotax IRC

Light Sport Repairman

Home [url=tel:520-574-1080]520-574-1080[/url]  TRY HOME FIRST

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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:38 am Post subject: 912 rough running below 3000 rpm

A story about a Jabiru engine failure here:  http://www.craigr.com/2011/11/09/forced-landing-in-the-jabiru/

"The second unexpected response was the disappearance of confidence I have in the Jabiru engine. This was actually the second engine failure we’ve had. The first engine lasted about 60 hours before a piston failed. My dad discovered that problem while taking off one day. The engine just didn’t seem right, so he aborted his take-off just before lifting off. The replacement engine they sent us had experienced the same problem during its initial testing after being mounted on a new airplane. They replaced the engine on that airplane, then replaced the failed piston in the bad engine and sent it to us. They assured us the replacement was like new, but then our last “new engine” (which really was new) had failed after only 60 hours. So we’ve owned two Jabiru engines: One that failed catastrophically after 60 hours, and one that failed catastrophically after 2.5 hours and again after 480 hours. That’s an average of 180 hours between catastrophic failures. At that rate we can expect a forced landing in a cow pasture every 18 months. It’s difficult to imagine what they can do to turn what appears to be a problem engine into one in which I can have confidence."

On Jul 17, 2015, at 5:52 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt3(at)gmail.com (lcfitt3(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]     FLYaDive,

 I just read your post relaxing with my phone then lunged  at my computer.  True story.  When I was building my first airplane in  the late 90s, a friend started his as well.  We were pretty much on a  parallel course.  Like you, he was concerned about the abundance of service  letters and bulletins from Rotax, so he opted for a Subaru EA-81 which was  then supported by our kit plane factory. The Subaru conversion company was  completely, read COMPLETELY, silent on anything at all and that gave him great  comfort.   I stayed with my gut feelings and went 912.  I first flew  in 1998 and subsequently put 900 hours on mine.  To this date, he has less  than 40 on his and it has been up for sale for at least ten years with no  takers.   I also have a very good friend who flies behind a  Jabaru.  I have helped him with some issues.  The inside of his lower  cowl looks like a catch basin for an oil change bay.  He has had one  overhaul in less than 400 hours and now no longer has to re-torque the head  bolts after every flight, but still adds oil after every flight.  Neither  of these guys have ever been on any type of email list or forum.

  

 If you really feel that no news is good news, then good  luck to you.

 Lowell Fitt

   From: FLYaDIVE (flyadive(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 11:03 AM

 To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com (rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com)  

 Subject: RE: Re: 912 rough running below 3000  rpm

 



 If safety was his concern he would not be flying a Rotax!

 



I am at a loss for words.  I just do not understand why  you guys are so loyal to an engine that has so many problems and poor  designs.  I read the Lycoming, Continental, Jabaru, Subaru, and WV  sites, they do not have the ridiculous problems that Rotax does, and when a  problem does surface they fix it by eliminating it.  Not by living  with it!  



On Thursday, July 16, 2015, Richard Girard  <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		     Congrats, Flynn,    Just to be safe, stay within gliding distance of your field for the next    couple of hours. A couple of years ago I had a piece of mystery crud come back    to block the main jet. Not fun.

   



   Safe skies,

   Rick Girard

   do not archive



   

   On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Flynn Elliott <foxflynn(at)worldonline.co.za> wrote:

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Hi Roger,and all who      offered advice,

The rough running is now in the history books.

After      cleaning the carbs yet again, blowing air around and through every

nook      and cranny all over a white towel with no crud to be seen whatsoever,      I

reassembeled the carbs with new jet 'o' rings etc. Put the carbs back      on and

balanced with gauges then a borrowed Carbmate (which is fantastic      to use)

Fired up the motor and to my great surprise my 912 was back to      her old self,

smooth as silk.

I sooo wish we found some crapp in the      carbs if only to tell me the problem

!!

Many many thanks for the      help.

Flynn



-----Original      Message-----

From:      owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com]      On Behalf Of Roger Lee

Sent: 03 June 2015 04:01 PM

To:      rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re:      912 rough running below 3000 rpm



--> RotaxEngines-List message      posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>



Hi      Flynn,



The carb must be off the engine and held upside down. Take a      MM ruler and

stand it upright (straight up) on the outside lip of the      carb. Now slide it

over towards the float armature so you can see the      ruler marks next to the

float armature. The top of the float armature      should be 10.5mm. If it is not

just bend the tab where the float needle      is suspended to obtain the proper

10.5mm height. This is what controls      the fuel level in the bowl as the

floats push up against it. If it is off      adjustment it can cause some

flooding and rough      running.



--------

Roger Lee

Tucson, Az.

Rotax Instructor      &amp; Rotax IRC

Light Sport Repairman

Home [url=tel:520-574-1080]520-574-1080[/url]  TRY HOME FIRST

Cell [url=tel:520-349-7056]520-349-7056[/url]





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