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Dee One

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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:40 pm Post subject: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons

I have only experience with flaps. What are the pros and cons of flaparons vs flaps and ailerons? Thanks for your experience, Dee



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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:34 am Post subject: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons

Hi,

I only have experience in my old Challenger. Changing the angle of the 

flaperon  altered the trim considerably. Lowering the flaps for landing made 

the plane nose heavy. Not uncontrollably so, just heavy on the stick. I 

considered this a plus as if my attention wandered on the approach the plane 

tended to go faster instead of slowing up and stalling.

I compromised on  take off  by only applying a little flap.. Not really 

convinced  it made much difference.

When building the Challenger we contrived a Bowden cable control for the 

flaps with a small winding handle which enable the application of tiny 

increments and an angle indicator in the cockpit.

For what iys worth.



Pat



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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:48 am Post subject: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons

In my case they are all con and no pro.  I've got flaparons on my M3X.  First off you loose a lot of square footage on your wing as the flaps are missing and the ailerons don't extend all the way across the aft portion of the wing.  Major problem I have is the flaparons are much longer than the standard ailerons.  In flight it takes excessive force to move them, to the point that I had to remove my dual controls as singles stick control gives more leverage.  I never use my flaparons as I've noticed only a 2 knt improvement on stall speed and as hard as it is to get to the handle, it's not worth it.  Kolb makes a larger 15 gal fuel tank for the M3X but I couldn't use it as the flaparons control tubes are in the way.  I've actually talked with Kolb about coming to the factory and having my aircraft converted to normal flaps.  



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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:11 am Post subject: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons

Dee

FWIW I’ve had no problems with flaperons on my Mk3Xtra. But I’ve never flown with separate flaps either

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 In my case they are all con and no pro.  I've got flaparons on my M3X.  First off you loose a lot of square footage on your wing as the flaps are missing and the ailerons don't extend all the way across the aft portion of the wing.  Major problem I have is the flaparons are much longer than the standard ailerons.  In flight it takes excessive force to move them, to the point that I had to remove my dual controls as singles stick control gives more leverage.  I never use my flaparons as I've noticed only a 2 knt improvement on stall speed and as hard as it is to get to the handle, it's not worth it.  Kolb makes a larger 15 gal fuel tank for the M3X but I couldn't use it as the flaparons control tubes are in the way.  I've actually talked with Kolb about coming to the factory and having my aircraft converted to normal flaps.  

 Scott Hudson 

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rickofudall

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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:32 am Post subject: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons

I've only flown the 3C and 3X with flaps. With one notch of flaps both aircraft would take off without moving the stick in 200 to 250 feet even in no wind.I flew the Challenger 2 for a couple of hours when I had one in the shop. Big trim changes as Pat Ladd said.

Good luck,

Rick Girard

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 FWIW I’ve had no problems with flaperons on my Mk3Xtra. But I’ve never flown with separate flaps either

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