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JULY 5, 2006 EAA- Please consider the following draft article for publication in an upcoming SA edition: "Birds of a feather flock together" and homebuilders are no exception. Divide the world's population by the number of active homebuilders and you'll find that there aren't that many "Birds" available to flock with. Of course, it isn't as bad as it was when the Wright brothers had to wait months for a letter from Octave Chanute. Thanks to the internet builder's group, you can correspond instantaneously with other "Birds" building something similar to your project. Like most homebuilders, I started with a rudder kit. Things went acceptably well, so I maxed out my credit card and ordered the whole nine yards. With all the confidence of the hopelessly naïve, I forged ahead on my own and managed to build myself (Or more accurately, mis-build myself) into a corner in 4 months. Depressed, I quit and tried to sell the project. Months later, I discovered links on my kit manufacturer's site to builders who were flying and struck up a dialog with one. Thanks to his technical and moral support, I was able to rebuild myself out of the hole in 1-1/2 years. He literally saved my project and eventually recommended that I join the international builder's list. After participating on the builder's list for over a year I realized that I wasn't the only one who had their project saved by internet buddies, and thought it was important that SA readers be made aware of this powerful tool. 25 members shared my belief and responded to a questionnaire covering aspects of "Life on the list". What follows is a compilation of their responses: The earlier you're a list member, the better. By reading the posts of others you can get a feel for recurring problems and the limitations of the finished product. Forewarned of recurring problems, you have a good chance of avoiding them yourself. Aware of finished product limitations, you can opt out for a design more compatable with your needs and expectations before it's too late. 75% of the respondents were unaware of the builder's list until an average of 2 months after they had purchased their kit or plans. Surprisingly, lack of local builders wasn't the major reason given for joining a list, even though listers live an average of 2 hours apart. Not surprising is the fact that the internet is acting as an alternative to face-to-face interaction. Active participation (Posting) is a 50/50 proposition. Some listers are more comfortable remaining in the background, and others prefer to join in the fray. Yes, fray. Don't forget, you're dealing with people who are in a sense as close as brothers and sisters, and I guarantee you at times you'll fight like siblings! When asked the direct question, "Do you post primarily for technical or social reasons" the answer was overwhelmingly technical. This must be the accepted macho response, because when phrased differently later in the questionnaire, most admitted that once friendships had been established, social communication was an added bonus. Listers were split when it came to the usefullness of technical advice. The common response was that factory support was the last word, but extremely slow in coming. As an alternative, many listers would simultaneously cross check list recommendations with EAA Techical and the factory. EAA Technical would invariably be the first to respond, with a factory blessing weeks or even months later. Just about every respondent encountered a major problem while building. There were three attributable reasons given: 1. Poor plans, instructions, interpretation of the instructions, or plan/instruction sequencing. 2. Mistakes that could have been avoided by posting a question or researching list archives before cutting metal. 3. Rushing to meet the manufacturer's projected build time. Depression was overwhelmingly the initial reaction to a major problem, with the average builder recovering within a day. Someone with a lot more background in psychology than me will have to prove it, but I contend that posting a problem clears a builder's mind to be able to come up with a solution. At the same time, the problem is out in the open for everyone to offer moral and/or technical support, and a warning to other builders. Eventually, the ensuing interchange will become a permanent part of the archives to help builders in the future. Finally, respondents were unanimous in affirming that list membership was beneficial, and recommending membership to new builders. Good building! William J. Naumuk EAA# 336752
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Excellent!
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Bill Naumuk <naumuk(at)alltel.net> wrote: | Quote: | All-
Draft article attached.
Bill
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JULY 5, 2006 EAA-
Please consider the following draft article for publication in an upcoming SA edition:
"Birds of a feather flock together" and homebuilders are no exception. Divide the world's population by the number of active homebuilders and you'll find that there aren't that many "Birds" available to flock with. Of course, it isn't as bad as it was when the Wright brothers had to wait months for a letter from Octave Chanute. Thanks to the internet builder's group, you can correspond instantaneously with other "Birds" building something similar to your project.
Like most homebuilders, I started with a rudder kit. Things went acceptably well, so I maxed out my credit card and ordered the whole nine yards. With all the confidence of the hopelessly na�ve, I forged ahead on my own and managed to build myself (Or more accurately, mis-build myself) into a corner in 4 months. Depressed, I quit and tried to sell the project.
Months later, I discovered links on my kit manufacturer's site to builders who were flying and struck up a dialog with one. Thanks to his technical and moral support, I was able to rebuild myself out of the hole in 1-1/2 years. He literally saved my project and eventually recommended that I join the international builder's list.
After participating on the builder's list for over a year I realized that I wasn't the only one who had their project saved by internet buddies, and thought it was important that SA readers be made aware of this powerful tool. 25 members shared my belief and responded to a
questionnaire covering aspects of "Life on the list". What follows is a compilation of their responses:
The earlier you're a list member, the better. By reading the posts of others you can get a feel for recurring problems and the limitations of the finished product. Forewarned of recurring problems, you have a good chance of avoiding them yourself. Aware of finished product limitations, you can opt out for a design more compatable with your needs and expectations before it's too late. 75% of the respondents were unaware of the builder's list until an average of 2 months after they had purchased their kit or plans.
Surprisingly, lack of local builders wasn't the major reason given for joining a list, even though listers live an average of 2 hours apart. Not surprising is the fact that the internet is acting as an alternative to face-to-face interaction.
Active participation (Posting) is a 50/50 proposition. Some listers are more comfortable remaining in the background, and others prefer to join in the fray. Yes, fray. Don't forget, you're dealing with people who are in a sense as close as brothers and sisters, and I guarantee you at times you'll fight like siblings!
When asked the direct question, "Do you post primarily for technical or social reasons" the answer was overwhelmingly technical. This must be the accepted macho response, because when phrased differently later in the questionnaire, most admitted that once friendships had been established, social communication was an added bonus.
Listers were split when it came to the usefullness of technical advice. The common response was that factory support was the last word, but extremely slow in coming. As an alternative, many listers would simultaneously cross check list recommendations with EAA Techical and the factory. EAA Technical would invariably be the first to respond, with a factory blessing weeks or even months later.
Just about every respondent encountered a major problem while building. There were three attributable reasons given: 1. Poor plans, instructions, interpretation of the instructions, or plan/instruction sequencing. 2. Mistakes that could have been avoided by posting a question or researching list archives before cutting metal. 3. Rushing to meet the manufacturer's projected build time.
Depression was overwhelmingly the initial reaction to a major problem, with the average builder recovering within a day. Someone with a lot more background in psychology than me will have to prove it, but I contend that posting a problem clears a builder's mind to be able to come up with a solution. At the same time, the problem is out in the open for everyone to offer moral and/or technical support, and a warning to other builders. Eventually, the ensuing interchange will become a permanent part of the archives to help builders in the future.
Finally, respondents were unanimous in affirming that list membership was beneficial, and recommending membership to new builders.
Good building!
William J. Naumuk EAA# 336752
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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject: Here it is |
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Excellent read for perspective Bill
Especially for the newbies.
Larry McFarland
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Bill Naumuk wrote:
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Draft article attached.
Bill
do not archive
JULY 5, 2006
EAA-
Please consider the following draft article for publication in an
upcoming SA edition:
"Birds of a feather flock together" and homebuilders are no
exception. Divide the world's
population by the number of active homebuilders and you'll find that
there aren't that many "Birds"
available to flock with. Of course, it isn't as bad as it was when the
Wright brothers had to wait
months for a letter from Octave Chanute. Thanks to the internet
builder's group, you can correspond
instantaneously with other "Birds" building something similar to your
project.
Like most homebuilders, I started with a rudder kit. Things went
acceptably well, so I
maxed out my credit card and ordered the whole nine yards. With all
the confidence of the
hopelessly naïve, I forged ahead on my own and managed to build myself
(Or more accurately,
mis-build myself) into a corner in 4 months. Depressed, I quit and
tried to sell the project.
Months later, I discovered links on my kit manufacturer's site to
builders who were flying
and struck up a dialog with one. Thanks to his technical and moral
support, I was able to rebuild
myself out of the hole in 1-1/2 years. He literally saved my project
and eventually recommended
that I join the international builder's list.
After participating on the builder's list for over a year I realized
that I wasn't the only
one who had their project saved by internet buddies, and thought it
was important that SA readers
be made aware of this powerful tool. 25 members shared my belief and
responded to a
questionnaire covering aspects of "Life on the list". What follows is
a compilation of their responses:
The earlier you're a list member, the better. By reading the posts of
others you can get
a feel for recurring problems and the limitations of the finished
product. Forewarned of recurring
problems, you have a good chance of avoiding them yourself. Aware of
finished product limitations,
you can opt out for a design more compatable with your needs and
expectations before it's too late.
75% of the respondents were unaware of the builder's list until an
average of 2 months after they
had purchased their kit or plans.
Surprisingly, lack of local builders wasn't the major reason given
for joining a list, even
though listers live an average of 2 hours apart. Not surprising is the
fact that the internet is acting
as an alternative to face-to-face interaction.
Active participation (Posting) is a 50/50 proposition. Some listers
are more comfortable
remaining in the background, and others prefer to join in the fray.
Yes, fray. Don't forget, you're
dealing with people who are in a sense as close as brothers and
sisters, and I guarantee you at
times you'll fight like siblings!
When asked the direct question, "Do you post primarily for technical
or social reasons"
the answer was overwhelmingly technical. This must be the accepted
macho response, because
when phrased differently later in the questionnaire, most admitted
that once friendships had been
established, social communication was an added bonus.
Listers were split when it came to the usefullness of technical
advice. The common
response was that factory support was the last word, but extremely
slow in coming. As an
alternative, many listers would simultaneously cross check list
recommendations with EAA
Techical and the factory. EAA Technical would invariably be the first
to respond, with a factory
blessing weeks or even months later.
Just about every respondent encountered a major problem while
building. There
were three attributable reasons given: 1. Poor plans, instructions,
interpretation of the instructions,
or plan/instruction sequencing. 2. Mistakes that could have been
avoided by posting a question or
researching list archives before cutting metal. 3. Rushing to meet the
manufacturer's projected
build time.
Depression was overwhelmingly the initial reaction to a major
problem, with the average
builder recovering within a day. Someone with a lot more background in
psychology than me will
have to prove it, but I contend that posting a problem clears a
builder's mind to be able to come up
with a solution. At the same time, the problem is out in the open for
everyone to offer moral and/or
technical support, and a warning to other builders. Eventually, the
ensuing interchange will become
a permanent part of the archives to help builders in the future.
Finally, respondents were unanimous in affirming that list membership
was beneficial,
and recommending membership to new builders.
Good building!
William J. Naumuk EAA# 336752
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: Here it is |
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Larry-
I'm glad it's over with. I have enough work to do on the garanger before
I run out of vacation as it is!
Electric and gas completed, 2-1/2 of 4 walls covered. No doubt going
into hock big time rounding up the siding tomorrow.
2 of the 3 workbenches upstairs, along with the table saw. Have to have
the interior pretty much complete and the rest of the benches/tools moved
before my son goes back to work Monday,
This is vacation??
Bill
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject: Here it is |
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Oops! Seems like I always get on and off list posts screwed up.
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mike.sinclair(at)ATT.NET
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: Here it is |
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I was kinda disappointed, wasn't a single mention about the miracle of
Green Scotchbrite!
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| Quote: | Bill Naumuk <naumuk(at)alltel.net> wrote:
All- Draft article
attached.
Bill do not archive
JULY 5, 2006
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EAA-
Please consider the following draft article for publication
in an upcoming SA edition:
"Birds of a feather flock together" and homebuilders are no
exception. Divide the world's
population by the number of active homebuilders and you'll find that
there aren't that many "Birds"
available to flock with. Of course, it isn't as bad as it was when the
Wright brothers had to wait
months for a letter from Octave Chanute. Thanks to the internet
builder's group, you can correspond
instantaneously with other "Birds" building something
similar to your project.
Like most homebuilders, I started with a rudder kit. Things
went acceptably well, so I
maxed out my credit card and ordered the whole nine yards. With all the
confidence of the
hopelessly na�ve, I forged ahead on my own and managed to build myself
(Or more accurately,
mis-build myself) into a corner in 4 months. Depressed, I quit and tried
to sell the project.
Months later, I discovered links on my kit manufacturer's
site to builders who were flying
and struck up a dialog with one. Thanks to his technical and moral
support, I was able to rebuild
myself out of the hole in 1-1/2 years. He literally saved my project and
eventually recommended
that I join the international
builder's list.
After participating on the builder's list for over a year I
realized that I wasn't the only
one who had their project saved by internet buddies, and thought it was
important that SA readers
be made aware of this powerful tool. 25 members shared my
belief and responded to a
questionnaire covering aspects of "Life on the list". What follows is a
compilation of their responses:
The earlier you're a list member, the better. By reading the
posts of others you can get
a feel for recurring problems and the limitations of the finished
product. Forewarned of recurring
problems, you have a good chance of avoiding them yourself. Aware of
finished product limitations,
you can opt out for a design more compatable with your needs and
expectations before it's too late.
75% of the respondents were unaware of the builder's list until an
average of 2 months after they
had purchased their kit or
plans.
Surprisingly, lack of local builders wasn't the major reason
given for joining a list, even
though listers live an average of 2 hours apart. Not surprising is the
fact that the internet is acting
as an alternative to face-to-face
interaction.
Active participation (Posting) is a 50/50 proposition. Some
listers are more comfortable
remaining in the background, and others prefer to join in the fray. Yes,
fray. Don't forget, you're
dealing with people who are in a sense as close as brothers and sisters,
and I guarantee you at
times you'll fight like
siblings!
When asked the direct question, "Do you post primarily for
technical or social reasons"
the answer was overwhelmingly technical. This must be the accepted macho
response, because
when phrased differently later in the questionnaire, most admitted that
once friendships had been
established, social communication was an added
bonus.
Listers were split when it came to the usefullness of
technical advice. The common
response was that factory support was the last word, but extremely slow
in coming. As an
alternative, many listers would simultaneously cross check list
recommendations with EAA
Techical and the factory. EAA Technical would invariably be the first to
respond, with a factory
blessing weeks or even months later.
Just about every respondent encountered a major problem while
building. There
were three attributable reasons given: 1. Poor plans, instructions,
interpretation of the instructions,
or plan/instruction sequencing. 2. Mistakes that could have been avoided
by posting a question or
researching list archives before cutting metal. 3. Rushing to meet the
manufacturer's projected
build time.
Depression was overwhelmingly the initial reaction to a major
problem, with the average
builder recovering within a day. Someone with a lot more background in
psychology than me will
have to prove it, but I contend that posting a problem clears a
builder's mind to be able to come up
with a solution. At the same time, the problem is out in the open for
everyone to offer moral and/or
technical support, and a warning to other builders. Eventually, the
ensuing interchange will become
a permanent part of the archives to help
builders in the future.
Finally, respondents were unanimous in affirming that list
membership was beneficial,
and recommending membership to new
builders.
Good building!
William J. Naumuk EAA#
336752
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Mike-
I said up front that the article would be as anonymous as possible. The
whole world would know exactly what list I belonged to if I mentioned green
Scotchbrite!!
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Bill
Excellent article! It sums up everything very well. I particularly liked your comment on posting helping to clear the mind
Roger Venables
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Subject: Here it is
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Draft article attached.
Bill
do not archive
JULY 5, 2006
EAA-
Please consider the following draft article for publication in an upcoming SA edition:
"Birds of a feather flock together" and homebuilders are no exception. Divide the world's
population by the number of active homebuilders and you'll find that there aren't that many "Birds"
available to flock with. Of course, it isn't as bad as it was when the Wright brothers had to wait
months for a letter from Octave Chanute. Thanks to the internet builder's group, you can correspond
instantaneously with other "Birds" building something similar to your project.
Like most homebuilders, I started with a rudder kit. Things went acceptably well, so I
maxed out my credit card and ordered the whole nine yards. With all the confidence of the
hopelessly naïve, I forged ahead on my own and managed to build myself (Or more accurately,
mis-build myself) into a corner in 4 months. Depressed, I quit and tried to sell the project.
Months later, I discovered links on my kit manufacturer's site to builders who were flying
and struck up a dialog with one. Thanks to his technical and moral support, I was able to rebuild
myself out of the hole in 1-1/2 years. He literally saved my project and eventually recommended
that I join the international builder's list.
After participating on the builder's list for over a year I realized that I wasn't the only
one who had their project saved by internet buddies, and thought it was important that SA readers
be made aware of this powerful tool. 25 members shared my belief and responded to a
questionnaire covering aspects of "Life on the list". What follows is a compilation of their responses:
The earlier you're a list member, the better. By reading the posts of others you can get
a feel for recurring problems and the limitations of the finished product. Forewarned of recurring
problems, you have a good chance of avoiding them yourself. Aware of finished product limitations,
you can opt out for a design more compatable with your needs and expectations before it's too late.
75% of the respondents were unaware of the builder's list until an average of 2 months after they
had purchased their kit or plans.
Surprisingly, lack of local builders wasn't the major reason given for joining a list, even
though listers live an average of 2 hours apart. Not surprising is the fact that the internet is acting
as an alternative to face-to-face interaction.
Active participation (Posting) is a 50/50 proposition. Some listers are more comfortable
remaining in the background, and others prefer to join in the fray. Yes, fray. Don't forget, you're
dealing with people who are in a sense as close as brothers and sisters, and I guarantee you at
times you'll fight like siblings!
When asked the direct question, "Do you post primarily for technical or social reasons"
the answer was overwhelmingly technical. This must be the accepted macho response, because
when phrased differently later in the questionnaire, most admitted that once friendships had been
established, social communication was an added bonus.
Listers were split when it came to the usefullness of technical advice. The common
response was that factory support was the last word, but extremely slow in coming. As an
alternative, many listers would simultaneously cross check list recommendations with EAA
Techical and the factory. EAA Technical would invariably be the first to respond, with a factory
blessing weeks or even months later.
Just about every respondent encountered a major problem while building. There
were three attributable reasons given: 1. Poor plans, instructions, interpretation of the instructions,
or plan/instruction sequencing. 2. Mistakes that could have been avoided by posting a question or
researching list archives before cutting metal. 3. Rushing to meet the manufacturer's projected
build time.
Depression was overwhelmingly the initial reaction to a major problem, with the average
builder recovering within a day. Someone with a lot more background in psychology than me will
have to prove it, but I contend that posting a problem clears a builder's mind to be able to come up
with a solution. At the same time, the problem is out in the open for everyone to offer moral and/or
technical support, and a warning to other builders. Eventually, the ensuing interchange will become
a permanent part of the archives to help builders in the future.
Finally, respondents were unanimous in affirming that list membership was beneficial,
and recommending membership to new builders.
Good building!
William J. Naumuk EAA# 336752
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