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efraim.otero(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:32 am Post subject: B&C 200G Alternator

Dear All:I bought a 200G alternador to install a in my wooden celebrity biplaneÂ´s O200 Continental engine. It has a Skytec Starter that is powered by a powersonic 12 V 18 AmpHr Battery. 

I received a schematic drawing for a simple day VFR electrical system (attached).

[img]cid:5861F281-12BA-40E7-B982-87113DFCC813[/img]



I have some very newbie questions:



1) I received an â€œinline fuse holderâ€ picture also attached. This comes be



[img]cid:56CF5171-663C-4615-A6DB-67D6CA6859DB[/img]



 This goes between and cabled to the alternador B lead to carry that 15 amp fuse before the firewall and the voltaje regulator?

If so, how do I connect it_ do I cut the red wire and splice it to the one coming out of the alternator? What gauge aire should I use as there is no mention of any AWG  size?



2) What wire to use between the capacitar and the S8005-1? 14 AWG same as ground?

3) in the S8005-1 what does that â€œCOMâ€ diagram mean?

4)  The power distribuciÃ³n bus: can I use a fuse block with fast on tabs? 

5) my battery is conecten directly to the starter. Should I reroute the negative pole to ground? What soul I use as ground, the steel firewall? The steel/aluminum landing gear?

6) how/where does the starter fit in this diagram?



Please helpâ€¦ as you can see I am clueless about electriza systems (even though I read BobÂ´s bookâ€¦I  feel like IÂ´m being  taught in Russian! That is obviously my very own weakeness not the bookÂ´s!!!!)  



Thank you all,



Ephraim

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user9253

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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:42 am Post subject: Re: B&C 200G Alternator

Ephraim



1. Yes, cut the red wire and connect one end to the power distribution bus in place of the circuit breaker that is labeled 15A for 200G.  The other end of the red wire connects to the COM terminal of the relay.



2. Yes, 14 AWG.



3. COM stands for "common" on the relay.  The "COM" pole is the moving part of the relay.  It connects to the N.O. terminal when the relay is energized and connects to the N.C. terminal when the relay is not energized.



4. Yes, use a fuse block.  However, if you install a crowbar over-voltage module, that circuit should have a circuit breaker instead of a fuse.  With normal aircraft loads, a small 12 amp alternator will be working hard to maintain voltage, let alone producing over-voltage.



5. Are both positive and negative battery terminals connected directly to the starter?  If you are talking about only the negative, then leave it attached to the starter.  Install an additional ground wire from the battery negative to the firewall.  Use a brass bolt and install a forest of ground tabs on the other side of the firewall connected to that same brass bolt.



6. See diagram Z-11 in Bob's book for connecting the starter to the battery.  If your plane does not have a master contactor, then the starter contactor can be connected directly to the battery positive.  Although it is recommended to also have a master contactor.  Z-11 also shows the magneto switches which also connect to the starter contactor.  From the main power bus, follow the wire from the "START 7A" fuse.



A 12 amp alternator is not very big.  Do you have another larger alternator too?

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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:39 pm Post subject: B&C 200G Alternator

Joe Â Ref item 1 Efraim drawing shows the inline fuse in the alternator AC output wire before the regulator I would put it their with a 15 fuse on the distribution block connecting to the relay com as his drawing.

Efraim I would twist the AC wires from the alternator output to the regulator as your note 2. as I assume this is a simple aircraft with very little load this alternator should be large enough we use a smaller one on our 0200 with no problem (we have MAGS, Mechanical Fuel Pump ,Icom A22 radio, trig transponder, backup electric fuel pump,strobes)



Clive

On 29 April 2016 at 19:42, user9253 <fransew(at)gmail.com (fransew(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 Ephraim

 

 1. Yes, cut the red wire and connect one end to the power distribution bus in place of the circuit breaker that is labeled 15A for 200G.Â  The other end of the red wire connects to the COM terminal of the relay.

 

 2. Yes, 14 AWG.

 

 3. COM stands for "common" on the relay.Â  The "COM" pole is the moving part of the relay.Â  It connects to the N.O. terminal when the relay is energized and connects to the N.C. terminal when the relay is not energized.

 

 4. Yes, use a fuse block.Â  However, if you install a crowbar over-voltage module, that circuit should have a circuit breaker instead of a fuse.Â  With normal aircraft loads, a small 12 amp alternator will be working hard to maintain voltage, let alone producing over-voltage.

 

 5. Are both positive and negative battery terminals connected directly to the starter?Â  If you are talking about only the negative, then leave it attached to the starter.Â  Install an additional ground wire from the battery negative to the firewall.Â  Use a brass bolt and install a forest of ground tabs on the other side of the firewall connected to that same brass bolt.

 

 6. See diagram Z-11 in Bob's book for connecting the starter to the battery.Â  If your plane does not have a master contactor, then the starter contactor can be connected directly to the battery positive.Â  Although it is recommended to also have a master contactor.Â  Z-11 also shows the magneto switches which also connect to the starter contactor.Â  From the main power bus, follow the wire from the "START 7A" fuse.

 

 A 12 amp alternator is not very big.Â  Do you have another larger alternator too?

 

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user9253

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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: B&C 200G Alternator

Clive, you are correct that there is a fuse in the alternator AC output.  I did not notice that before.  However, a fuse at that location serves no useful purpose in my opinion and is an unnecessary failure point.  The fuse at the power bus will protect the battery and will protect wires going to the charging system.  A permanent magnet alternator is self current limiting.  Equal size fuses in series is not recommended.  There are hundreds of Rotax powered RV-12s that have no fuse located in the dynamo AC output.  Van's Aircraft designed the electrical system and RV-12s must be wired exactly per the plans if registered as E-LSA.

Bob's Z-16 does not have a fuse in the AC output.

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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: B&C 200G Alternator

Now that I see that B&C intended that inline fuse to be installed in

the alternator AC output, I am changing my advice to not use at all.

A fuse located at the main power bus (fuseblock) is all that is needed.

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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 9:25 am Post subject: B&C 200G Alternator

Joe:Many thanks for the advice. Yes, the idea is to power a Flightline 760 VHF radio, a Sandia STX transponder and a dual plug cigarrette lighter plus for iphone and ipadâ€¦ Plain day vfr.

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		  On Apr 29, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Clive Richards <stephencliverichards(at)gmail.com (stephencliverichards(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Joe  Ref item 1 Efraim drawing shows the inline fuse in the alternator AC output wire before the regulator I would put it their with a 15 fuse on the distribution block connecting to the relay com as his drawing.Efraim I would twist the AC wires from the alternator output to the regulator as your note 2. as I assume this is a simple aircraft with very little load this alternator should be large enough we use a smaller one on our 0200 with no problem (we have MAGS, Mechanical Fuel Pump ,Icom A22 radio, trig transponder, backup electric fuel pump,strobes)



Clive



On 29 April 2016 at 19:42, user9253 <fransew(at)gmail.com (fransew(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com (fransew(at)gmail.com)>  Ephraim  1. Yes, cut the red wire and connect one end to the power distribution bus in place of the circuit breaker that is labeled 15A for 200G.  The other end of the red wire connects to the COM terminal of the relay.  2. Yes, 14 AWG.  3. COM stands for "common" on the relay.  The "COM" pole is the moving part of the relay.  It connects to the N.O. terminal when the relay is energized and connects to the N.C. terminal when the relay is not energized.  4. Yes, use a fuse block.  However, if you install a crowbar over-voltage module, that circuit should have a circuit breaker instead of a fuse.  With normal aircraft loads, a small 12 amp alternator will be working hard to maintain voltage, let alone producing over-voltage.  5. Are both positive and negative battery terminals connected directly to the starter?  If you are talking about only the negative, then leave it attached to the starter.  Install an additional ground wire from the battery negative to the firewall.  Use a brass bolt and install a forest of ground tabs on the other side of the firewall connected to that same brass bolt.  6. See diagram Z-11 in Bob's book for connecting the starter to the battery.  If your plane does not have a master contactor, then the starter contactor can be connected directly to the battery positive.  Although it is recommended to also have a master contactor.  Z-11 also shows the magneto switches which also connect to the starter contactor.  From the main power bus, follow the wire from the "START 7A" fuse.  A 12 amp alternator is not very big.  Do you have another larger alternator too?  -------- Joe Gores     Read this topic online here:  http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455632#455632        ===========  - Electric-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List ===========  FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com =========== WIKI - errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com =========== b Site -           -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ===========

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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:39 pm Post subject: B&C 200G Alternator

At 12:23 PM 5/2/2016, you wrote:

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		  Joe:

 Many thanks for the advice. Yes, the idea is to power a Flightline 760 VHF radio, a Sandia STX transponder and a dual plug cigarrette lighter plus for iphone and ipad… Plain day vfr. 	


   I'll suggest figure z-16 as a baseline architecture

   for your airplane.



  http://tinyurl.com/7vp9g4e



 



 

   Bob . . .

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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 2:26 pm Post subject: B&C 200G Alternator

At 12:23 PM 5/2/2016, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Joe:

 Many thanks for the advice. Yes, the idea is to power a Flightline 760 VHF radio, a Sandia STX transponder and a dual plug cigarrette lighter plus for iphone and ipad… Plain day vfr. 	


   I'll suggest figure z-16 as a baseline architecture

   for your airplane.



  http://tinyurl.com/7vp9g4e



 



 

   Bob . . .

stephencliverichards(at)g
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 2:57 am Post subject: B&C 200G Alternator

Efraim I have since checked & found we actually fitted the B & C 200G alternator to our 0200 12.5 amp output not smaller as I thought. Â  Â  Â  Â  Â From what you have said your continental starter may be operated by a mechanical cable pull to start direct to a power switch by the starter, you could retain this if you wish. I assume this uses battery negative earth as current systems.Clive

On 29 April 2016 at 18:25, Efraim Otero <efraim.otero(at)gmail.com (efraim.otero(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Dear All:I bought a 200G alternador to install a in my wooden celebrity biplaneÂ´s O200 Continental engine. It has a Skytec Starter that is powered by a powersonic 12 V 18 AmpHr Battery.Â 

I received a schematic drawing for a simple day VFR electrical system (attached).





[img]cid:5861F281-12BA-40E7-B982-87113DFCC813[/img]

I have some very newbie questions:

1) I received an â€œinline fuse holderâ€ picture also attached. This comes be

[img]cid:56CF5171-663C-4615-A6DB-67D6CA6859DB[/img]

Â This goes between and cabled to the alternador B lead to carry that 15 amp fuse before the firewall and the voltaje regulator?

If so, how do I connect it_ do I cut the red wire and splice it to the one coming out of the alternator? What gauge aire should I use as there is no mention of any AWG Â size?

2) What wire to use between the capacitar and the S8005-1? 14 AWG same as ground?

3) in the S8005-1 what does that â€œCOMâ€ diagram mean?

4) Â The power distribuciÃ³n bus: can I use a fuse block with fast on tabs?Â 

5) my battery is conecten directly to the starter. Should I reroute the negative pole to ground? What soul I use as ground, the steel firewall? The steel/aluminum landing gear?

6) how/where does the starter fit in this diagram?

Please helpâ€¦ as you can see I am clueless about electriza systems (even though I read BobÂ´s bookâ€¦I Â feel like IÂ´m being Â taught in Russian! That is obviously my very own weakeness not the bookÂ´s!!!!) Â 

Thank you all,

Ephraim

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efraim.otero(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 8:03 am Post subject: B&C 200G Alternator

Clive:Thank you for your feedback. I have an O 200 with a skytec lightweight starter that came with the plane when I bought it.

The battery is a powersonic 12 v 18 Ah. I have a starter switch and a battery switch plus a key switch for both mags and start. I just want to charge the battery and run the transponder which darÃ¡s about 210 milliamps. I have a coms panel transceiver, Flightline 760 VHF and I am debating whether installing my Sportyâ€™s SP400 handheld (for VOR and ILS nav crosscheckingâ€¦. Other than that I need a few USB charging porta for ipad and iphone. No lights. So I think the loads will be light.



Any thoughts?

Thank you all.

E

 	  Quote: 	
		  On May 3, 2016, at 5:54 AM, Clive Richards <stephencliverichards(at)gmail.com (stephencliverichards(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Efraim I have since checked & found we actually fitted the B & C 200G alternator to our 0200 12.5 amp output not smaller as I thought.          From what you have said your continental starter may be operated by a mechanical cable pull to start direct to a power switch by the starter, you could retain this if you wish. I assume this uses battery negative earth as current systems.Clive



On 29 April 2016 at 18:25, Efraim Otero <efraim.otero(at)gmail.com (efraim.otero(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  Dear All:I bought a 200G alternador to install a in my wooden celebrity biplaneÂ´s O200 Continental engine. It has a Skytec Starter that is powered by a powersonic 12 V 18 AmpHr Battery. 

I received a schematic drawing for a simple day VFR electrical system (attached).

<IMG_3825.jpg>



I have some very newbie questions:



1) I received an â€œinline fuse holderâ€ picture also attached. This comes be



<IMG_0209.JPG>



 This goes between and cabled to the alternador B lead to carry that 15 amp fuse before the firewall and the voltaje regulator?

If so, how do I connect it_ do I cut the red wire and splice it to the one coming out of the alternator? What gauge aire should I use as there is no mention of any AWG  size?



2) What wire to use between the capacitar and the S8005-1? 14 AWG same as ground?

3) in the S8005-1 what does that â€œCOMâ€ diagram mean?

4)  The power distribuciÃ³n bus: can I use a fuse block with fast on tabs? 

5) my battery is conecten directly to the starter. Should I reroute the negative pole to ground? What soul I use as ground, the steel firewall? The steel/aluminum landing gear?

6) how/where does the starter fit in this diagram?



Please helpâ€¦ as you can see I am clueless about electriza systems (even though I read BobÂ´s bookâ€¦I  feel like IÂ´m being  taught in Russian! That is obviously my very own weakeness not the bookÂ´s!!!!)  



Thank you all,



Ephraim

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