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Ernie
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 Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:47 pm Post subject: [Non-DoD Source] M14 engine sale (re: Thread Hi-Jacking |
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Just when I thought the horse stopped breathing.......
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, 727gs <727gs(at)att.net (727gs(at)att.net)> wrote:
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Folks,
I gotta say, I'm kinda with Curt on this one. Some of you folks on this list can come off as pretty pompous. When I first got on the list when trying to get my CJ flying, I didn't get a lot of help, mostly preaching except for one or two pretty helpful guys who were extremely generous with their time off list. Then, when I foolishly asked about putting the gear handle in the neutral position, the fun really started. Statements like "Ludicrous" and "You didn't know how the system works" came flying back at me. Pretty strong language for a self-identified newby asking for help as politely as I could think how. When I said that some of the airplanes I fly at work had a neutral position, someone thought it appropriate to point out that new Boeings don't any more. Kind of pissy, I thought, but I needed the help.
If you guys want this group to grow, my suggestion would be to give some thought to how your "advice" sounds from the other side. I can certainly see why Curt was getting frustrated and why he vented his displeasure. Instead of a six paragraph rambling response invoking immigration, Mr. Dralle, the history of the archives, and Rome, perhaps a 'Sorry, didn't mean it that way" would have worked better. That was the most convoluted near-apology I have ever read.
I've watched this go on in almost every forum, aircraft or otherwise, I've been involved with and it is counter-productive. It always eventually dwindles down to four or five guys spouting off their political views.
If he's was the only one talking like this, you could write that off as one disgruntled person. He isn't. Every time someone gets pissed and leaves, everyone loses.
"Straighten Curt out"? Really?
BTW, I ran into a couple of former Chinese military pilots last time I was at Langley. I asked them about the gear handle. They said that SOP was to use the neutral position after the gear came up. Couldn't tell me why, though.
Steve Jones
CJ-6a near Chicago
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:49 am Post subject: [Non-DoD Source] M14 engine sale (re: Thread Hi-Jacking |
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The List is an invaluable resource due to the fact that we all operate the same or similar aircraft and therefore many are able to offer 1st hand experience information. There are a select few who have gathered VOLUMES of data through personal and professional endeavors with these planes and are refreshingly approachable and generous with their time, knowledge and advice. Unfortunately, there DOES appear to be somewhat of a fraternity (to which I have not been accepted) that tends to ignore most posts / requests or verbally chastise those simply seeking enlightenment regarding what is apparently seen as no-brainer basic & common knowledge. Speaking for myself, after posting a few "dumb questions," (and being digitally spanked!) I now think long and hard before offering up either advice or query. Kind of sad when you think about it, as (to me, at least) the entire mantra of The List is to be an information-exchange regarding what we do and love. And in my experience as a teacher, pilot and human being, when you are afraid to ask - your options are narrowed to "guessing." Knowledge = Longevity. Ignorance = Brevity. Yes - there is merit in self-educating via experimentation - but why reinvent the wheel when there is a Goodyear outlet across the street? None of us could walk until we watched our parents from the floor. None of us could speak until we heard language all around us. Believe it or not, there are Redstar Pilots / Owners who did NOT turn down a job at NASA because we were over-qualified. And we are hear cuz we LOVE this s**t, want to LEARN and be INCLUDED - and strive to do so RESPECTFULLY and SAFELY.
Consider it from this perspective: You can tell your girl "you look fat in those shorts" (enjoy last week's cold meatloaf!) or you can say "Awe. I was hoping you would wear those sexy jeans that I can't stop ogling!" and grab surf & turf together.... It's all in the DELIVERY. 
And I will throw out my 2 stale invitations again: 1) FORMATION CLINIC / Wausau, WI / July 21 - 22 (30 minutes from OSH - One [1] person whom is NOT a local has responded w/ four [4] area pilots / planes attending, led very capably by John "Thud" Casper....sure wanted more attendees than that, but oh well) and 2) ME ("Sonic Circus") crooning all the glorious 80's Rock N' Roll you can handle in the SOS Beer Tent / AirVenture / Tuesday, July 26th / 8 - 12.
Tendered w/ all due respect and humility, your "perpetual newbe." :-/
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
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Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
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1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
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1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
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From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 12:46:23 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] M14 engine sale (re: Thread Hi-Jacking
Just when I thought the horse stopped breathing.......
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, 727gs <727gs(at)att.net (727gs(at)att.net)> wrote:
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Folks,
I gotta say, I'm kinda with Curt on this one. Some of you folks on this list can come off as pretty pompous. When I first got on the list when trying to get my CJ flying, I didn't get a lot of help, mostly preaching except for one or two pretty helpful guys who were extremely generous with their time off list. Then, when I foolishly asked about putting the gear handle in the neutral position, the fun really started. Statements like "Ludicrous" and "You didn't know how the system works" came flying back at me. Pretty strong language for a self-identified newby asking for help as politely as I could think how. When I said that some of the airplanes I fly at work had a neutral position, someone thought it appropriate to point out that new Boeings don't any more. Kind of pissy, I thought, but I needed the help.
If you guys want this group to grow, my suggestion would be to give some thought to how your "advice" sounds from the other side. I can certainly see why Curt was getting frustrated and why he vented his displeasure. Instead of a six paragraph rambling response invoking immigration, Mr. Dralle, the history of the archives, and Rome, perhaps a 'Sorry, didn't mean it that way" would have worked better. That was the most convoluted near-apology I have ever read.
I've watched this go on in almost every forum, aircraft or otherwise, I've been involved with and it is counter-productive. It always eventually dwindles down to four or five guys spouting off their political views.
If he's was the only one talking like this, you could write that off as one disgruntled person. He isn't. Every time someone gets pissed and leaves, everyone loses.
"Straighten Curt out"? Really?
BTW, I ran into a couple of former Chinese military pilots last time I was at Langley. I asked them about the gear handle. They said that SOP was to use the neutral position after the gear came up. Couldn't tell me why, though.
Steve Jones
CJ-6a near Chicago
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Steve near Chicago
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Ernie
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:26 am Post subject: [Non-DoD Source] M14 engine sale (re: Thread Hi-Jacking |
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The horse lives!
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)> wrote:
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Regardless of who's feelings got hurt, regardless of those that do not understand the term "with all due respect", regardless of those that don't understand "it was a joke", regardless of those that are afraid to ask questions, regardless of those who feel that their questions were not answered with the proper "tone of voice"..... all that aside .....
I think the most important question is this:Â Â Of everyone here that asks and answers questions, whether they be brand new, or old timers ... how many contribute cash money to Matt Dralle every year so this list (and a ton of others) can be maintained to the benefit of all concerned?
If you have ... GREAT!  Because we *ALL* should.  To those that have not contributed one red cent and have the gonads to come on this list and complain about ANYTHING AT ALL ..... well, good luck with that and I can guess who you're voting for.  And by the way, this is called "Opening Pandora's Box".
Big smile... Big smile.
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Ernie
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:23 pm Post subject: [Non-DoD Source] M14 engine sale (re: Thread Hi-Jacking |
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Hey Bill,
I know you live in the mountains and all, but does your email arrive by
USPS, and you're forced to respond to every post for the past month all at
once 😀
On Friday, July 8, 2016, William Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com> wrote:
[quote] Not to start any in-breeding or fighting, but what is the reason for the
Non-DoD Source blah blah?
On Jul 8, 2016, at 11:33, KingCJ6(at)aol.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','KingCJ6(at)aol.com');> wrote:
Hopefully while wearing a flight suit!!
In a message dated 7/8/2016 10:29:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
f16viperdoc(at)me.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','f16viperdoc(at)me.com');>
writes:
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','f16viperdoc(at)me.com');>>
Have you decided yet? Offended or not? Relax, sit back, take a breath, and
pop a cap on a cool MMO. Let the aromatic red fluid flow through your
crevasses. Pretty soon those chunks of carbon will be falling and fouling
your filters for elimination from your system with your next change. There
feel better?
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 6, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <
mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil');>> wrote:
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil
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> I think I am offended. Let me think about it and I'll get back to you
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Dawg
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:41 pm Post subject: [Non-DoD Source] M14 engine sale (re: Thread Hi-Jacking |
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In Korea. The south one. So it takes awhile to get over the mountains.
[quote]On Jul 8, 2016, at 18:23, Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com (erniel29(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Hey Bill,
I know you live in the mountains and all, but does your email arrive by USPS, and you're forced to respond to every post for the past month all at once 😀On Friday, July 8, 2016, William Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com (l129bs(at)gmail.com)> wrote:[quote]Not to start any in-breeding or fighting, but what is the reason for the Non-DoD Source blah blah?
[quote]On Jul 8, 2016, at 11:33, [url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,\'cvml\',\'KingCJ6(at)aol.com\');]KingCJ6(at)aol.com[/url] wrote:
Hopefully while wearing a flight suit!!
In a message dated 7/8/2016 10:29:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,\'cvml\',\'f16viperdoc(at)me.com\');]f16viperdoc(at)me.com[/url] writes:
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,\'cvml\',\'f16viperdoc(at)me.com\');]f16viperdoc(at)me.com[/url]>Have you decided yet? Offended or not? Relax, sit back, take a breath, and pop a cap on a cool MMO. Let the aromatic red fluid flow through your crevasses. Pretty soon those chunks of carbon will be falling and fouling your filters for elimination from your system with your next change. There feel better?DocSent from my iPad> On Jul 6, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,\'cvml\',\'mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil\');]mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil[/url]> wrote:> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,\'cvml\',\'mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil\');]mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil[/url]>> > > > I think I am offended. Let me think about it and I'll get back to you.> > > > --
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