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Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my Firestar KXP for 10 years without brakes , had almost no trouble on the field i fly out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft asphalt with a full length grass field along side which i used most of the time but I also went to flyins where there was a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any trouble as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb concerned emails on the list and see that most builders go out of there way and risk too much weight to install brakes . Are they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?
My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb and asked for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan as I have a local supplier for that the price was $308 ? What is included ?
Looking at the Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth of aluminum and a few bolts I think I can build it myself . Is there somthing I am missing ? Just hoping for some input Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
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Disabled from crash building Firefly
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Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
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Disabled from crash building Firefly
On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my Firestar KXP for 10 years without brakes , had almost no trouble on the field i fly out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft asphalt with a full length grass field along side which i used most of the time but I also went to flyins where there was a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any trouble as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb concerned emails on the list and see that most builders go out of there way and risk too much weight to install brakes . Are they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?
My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb and asked for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan as I have a local supplier for that the price was $308 ? What is included ?
Looking at the Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth of aluminum and a few bolts I think I can build it myself . Is there somthing I am missing ? Just hoping for some input Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
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Disabled from crash building Firefly
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slow list Chris...
 I have installed full enclosures on two Fireflys...I did a gull wing enclosure on my MkIII..
  easy to do...the 1/16 lexan just lays over the nose cone... a 4x4 sheet works...was 35 to 40 bucks here in Tenn.. Lay the paper covered lexan over the nose cone and rear bow that you have made and do a rough marking of the size...over sized a bit but to shape ..this makes it easy to clamp and handle. Once the shape is made then move on to mounting..I let the Lexan lay over the nose cone by about 1 and one half inch..enough to allow the rubber seal to clear the front of the cone a bit... 1/8th inch...will do..
 Making the rear bow is not science...just bend it carefully and try not to go to round such that it is sticking out any further than need be...Guess your shoulders would dictate the bow size..Oval is good..toward flat.on the sides.. The top of this bow is braced by another bow that runs rather horizontal to the cromolly verticals that attach to the spar carry through..this is attached to the cromolly tubes with gussets and that tube and rear bow meet and are gusseted to one another..on the top...
 I install a stop screw and decorative washer at about 10 am.. thru the lexan to the cone..I raise the lexan up to a comfortable entry position and install that screw...I also note where the lexan is on the rear bow and install large head rivets from there down to the end of the bow on that side(left) I install a powder coated white angle aluminum on the top of the left longeron and fasten it in maybe three or 4 places then fasten it to the lexan from nose to bow I attach it to the bottom of the rear bow but not to the nose cone....I use the decorative dimpled washer and flush screws there...then once the lexan is down on the right side...I mark the paper covering and install white angle aluminum there also..from nose cone to bow..At the nose end I install a tapered screw of my own making I flatten or grind it flat and attach it to the aluminum angle  ..I drill a hole in the nose cone bracket such that the tapered screw fits snugly and holds a good wrap around the nose cone.. before you do this install the rubber seal on this end of the lexan..some hold it with silicone but I use the 3m black weather seal...Trial fit the rubber seal and tape the lexan on both sides so that the rubber goo that squeezes out of the seal does not get on the lexan beyond where it is intended to go...I use good auto paint tape here...Then install the tapered screw on the angle that is attached same as the angle on the left side...now...make a sliding latch that is captured by the aluminum bow that the rear of the lexan lays on...you can make some sort of prop...to hold the lexan open for entry/exit ...i tended to use my head... naturally the right side angle is only attached to the lexan... and it is good to make a stop on the sliding latch such that is cannot rise up the bow..though the slip stream should be fine for that...
 Clear as mud? Herb
 my cost is usually the price of the lexan...maybe total of 50 bucks..
 oops...brakes...I use mountain bike brakes..they come from the salvage yard on bicycles ...front only usually...meaning that one side mounts with cable forward and the other side rearword..
  I turn aluminum spindles to mate the disk to the rim..I have good luck using the two piece spun rims...they are true...
 The hard part is mounting the caliper...here you need to make an aluminum plate that slides over the axle and mounts to the 4 holes in the large washer that is part of the kolb axle..from here it is a matter of a spacer,trial and error, to get the disk pad/caliper/disk distance correct. a cromolly tube that slips over the axle and sets the distance from disk/rim to caliper... is the spacer..
 In the pics..notice that I left too much lexan on the left side..need only be 1/4 inch below the longeron..
On 10/07/2016 01:49 PM, chris davis wrote:
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Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> (capedavis(at)yahoo.com) wrote:
Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my Firestar KXP for 10 years without brakes , had almost no trouble on the field i fly out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft asphalt with a full length grass field along side which i used most of the time but I also went to flyins where there was a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any trouble as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb concerned emails on the list and see that most builders go out of there way and risk too much weight to install brakes  . Are they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?
   My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb and asked for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan as I have a local supplier for that the price was $308 ? What is included ?
 Looking at the Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth of aluminum and a few bolts I think I can build it myself . Is there somthing I am missing ? Just hoping for some input Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:17 am Post subject: Brakes and full enclosure |
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Herb Thank u for the very complete answer to my full enclosure question Im sure I can build it for a lot less than $300 that Kolb asked for it . Your brakes look great but my question was do I need brakes more on the Firefly than the Firestar? thank u Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
On Friday, October 7, 2016 8:59 PM, Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> wrote:
slow list Chris...
I have installed full enclosures on two Fireflys...I did a gull wing enclosure on my MkIII..
easy to do...the 1/16 lexan just lays over the nose cone... a 4x4 sheet works...was 35 to 40 bucks here in Tenn.. Lay the paper covered lexan over the nose cone and rear bow that you have made and do a rough marking of the size...over sized a bit but to shape ..this makes it easy to clamp and handle. Once the shape is made then move on to mounting..I let the Lexan lay over the nose cone by about 1 and one half inch..enough to allow the rubber seal to clear the front of the cone a bit... 1/8th inch...will do..
Making the rear bow is not science...just bend it carefully and try not to go to round such that it is sticking out any further than need be...Guess your shoulders would dictate the bow size..Oval is good..toward flat.on the sides.. The top of this bow is braced by another bow that runs rather horizontal to the cromolly verticals that attach to the spar carry through..this is attached to the cromolly tubes with gussets and that tube and rear bow meet and are gusseted to one another..on the top...
I install a stop screw and decorative washer at about 10 am. thru the lexan to the cone..I raise the lexan up to a comfortable entry position and install that screw...I also note where the lexan is on the rear bow and install large head rivets from there down to the end of the bow on that side(left) I install a powder coated white angle aluminum on the top of the left longeron and fasten it in maybe three or 4 places then fasten it to the lexan from nose to bow I attach it to the bottom of the rear bow but not to the nose cone....I use the decorative dimpled washer and flush screws there...then once the lexan is down on the right side...I mark the paper covering and install white angle aluminum there also..from nose cone to bow..At the nose end I install a tapered screw of my own making I flatten or grind it flat and attach it to the aluminum angle ..I drill a hole in the nose cone bracket such that the tapered screw fits snugly and holds a good wrap around the nose cone.. before you do this install the rubber seal on this end of the lexan..some hold it with silicone but I use the 3m black weather seal...Trial fit the rubber seal and tape the lexan on both sides so that the rubber goo that squeezes out of the seal does not get on the lexan beyond where it is intended to go...I use good auto paint tape here...Then install the tapered screw on the angle that is attached same as the angle on the left side...now...make a sliding latch that is captured by the aluminum bow that the rear of the lexan lays on...you can make some sort of prop...to hold the lexan open for entry/exit ...i tended to use my head... naturally the right side angle is only attached to the lexan... and it is good to make a stop on the sliding latch such that is cannot rise up the bow..though the slip stream should be fine for that...
Clear as mud? Herb
my cost is usually the price of the lexan...maybe total of 50 bucks..
oops...brakes...I use mountain bike brakes..they come from the salvage yard on bicycles ...front only usually...meaning that one side mounts with cable forward and the other side rearword..
I turn aluminum spindles to mate the disk to the rim..I have good luck using the two piece spun rims...they are true...
The hard part is mounting the caliper...here you need to make an aluminum plate that slides over the axle and mounts to the 4 holes in the large washer that is part of the kolb axle..from here it is a matter of a spacer,trial and error, to get the disk pad/caliper/disk distance correct. a cromolly tube that slips over the axle and sets the distance from disk/rim to caliper... is the spacer..
In the pics..notice that I left too much lexan on the left side..need only be 1/4 inch below the longeron..
On 10/07/2016 01:49 PM, chris davis wrote:
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Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> (capedavis(at)yahoo.com) wrote:
Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my Firestar KXP for 10 years without brakes , had almost no trouble on the field i fly out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft asphalt with a full length grass field along side which i used most of the time but I also went to flyins where there was a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any trouble as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb concerned emails on the list and see that most builders go out of there way and risk too much weight to install brakes
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:04 am Post subject: Brakes and full enclosure |
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good for ground handling...mainly...Herb
On 10/08/2016 11:04 AM, chris davis wrote:
| Quote: | Herb Thank u for the very complete answer to my full enclosure question Im sure I can build it for a lot less than $300 Â that Kolb asked for it . Your brakes look great but my question was do I need brakes more on the Firefly than the Firestar? thank u Chris
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Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
On Friday, October 7, 2016 8:59 PM, Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> (Herbgh(at)nctc.com) wrote:
slow list Chris...
 I have installed full enclosures on two Fireflys...I did a gull wing enclosure on my MkIII..
  easy to do...the 1/16 lexan just lays over the nose cone... a 4x4 sheet works...was 35 to 40 bucks here in Tenn.. Lay the paper covered lexan over the nose cone and rear bow that you have made and do a rough marking of the size...over sized a bit but to shape ..this makes it easy to clamp and handle. Once the shape is made then move on to mounting..I let the Lexan lay over the nose cone by about 1 and one half inch..enough to allow the rubber seal to clear the front of the cone a bit... 1/8th inch...will do..
 Making the rear bow is not science...just bend it carefully and try not to go to round such that it is sticking out any further than need be...Guess your shoulders would dictate the bow size..Oval is good..toward flat.on the sides.. The top of this bow is braced by another bow that runs rather horizontal to the cromolly verticals that attach to the spar carry through..this is attached to the cromolly tubes with gussets and that tube and rear bow meet and are gusseted to one another..on the top...
 I install a stop screw and decorative washer at about 10 am.. thru the lexan to the cone..I raise the lexan up to a comfortable entry position and install that screw...I also note where the lexan is on the rear bow and install large head rivets from there down to the end of the bow on that side(left) I install a powder coated white angle aluminum on the top of the left longeron and fasten it in maybe three or 4 places then fasten it to the lexan from nose to bow I attach it to the bottom of the rear bow but not to the nose cone....I use the decorative dimpled washer and flush screws there...then once the lexan is down on the right side...I mark the paper covering and install white angle aluminum there also..from nose cone to bow..At the nose end I install a tapered screw of my own making I flatten or grind it flat and attach it to the aluminum angle  ..I drill a hole in the nose cone bracket such that the tapered screw fits snugly and holds a good wrap around the nose cone.. before you do this install the rubber seal on this end of the lexan..some hold it with silicone but I use the 3m black weather seal...Trial fit the rubber seal and tape the lexan on both sides so that the rubber goo that squeezes out of the seal does not get on the lexan beyond where it is intended to go...I use good auto paint tape here...Then install the tapered screw on the angle that is attached same as the angle on the left side...now...make a sliding latch that is captured by the aluminum bow that the rear of the lexan lays on...you can make some sort of prop...to hold the lexan open for entry/exit ...i tended to use my head... naturally the right side angle is only attached to the lexan... and it is good to make a stop on the sliding latch such that is cannot rise up the bow..though the slip stream should be fine for that...
 Clear as mud? Herb
 my cost is usually the price of the lexan...maybe total of 50 bucks..
 oops...brakes...I use mountain bike brakes..they come from the salvage yard on bicycles ...front only usually...meaning that one side mounts with cable forward and the other side rearword..
  I turn aluminum spindles to mate the disk to the rim..I have good luck using the two piece spun rims...they are true...
 The hard part is mounting the caliper...here you need to make an aluminum plate that slides over the axle and mounts to the 4 holes in the large washer that is part of the kolb axle..from here it is a matter of a spacer,trial and error, to get the disk pad/caliper/disk distance correct. a cromolly tube that slips over the axle and sets the distance from disk/rim to caliper... is the spacer..
 In the pics..notice that I left too much lexan on the left side..need only be 1/4 inch below the longeron..
On 10/07/2016 01:49 PM, chris davis wrote:
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Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> (capedavis(at)yahoo.com) wrote:
Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my Firestar KXP for 10 years without brakes , had almost no trouble on the field i fly out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft asphalt with a full length grass field along side which i used most of the time but I also went to flyins where there was a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any trouble as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb concerned emails on the list and see that most builders go out of there way and risk too much weight to install brakes  . Are they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?
   My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb and asked for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan as I have a local supplier for that the price was $308 ? What is included ?
 Looking at the Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth of aluminum and a few bolts I think I can build it myself . Is there somthing I am missing ? Just hoping for some input Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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Aristotle
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Brakes are good for lots of stuff:
-As Herb mentioned, ground handling, especially in high wind. Also nice to prevent ground looping in high cross wind conditions.
-Back in the mid 1980s, I landed at Ozark, Alabama, Airport. The gas pump was downhill from the taxiway. Had to get out of the US and FS (before I got brakes) and walk the aircraft down to the pump.
-They are also handy for run up and mag check.
Plenty cross wind in Ely, NV. Hard to walk from the truck to McDonalds for a hamburger. 
john h
mkIII
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good for ground handling...mainly...Herb
On 10/08/2016 11:04 AM, chris davis wrote:
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Herb Thank u for the very complete answer to my full enclosure question Im sure I can build it for a lot less than $300 that Kolb asked for it . Your brakes look great but my question was do I need brakes more on the Firefly than the Firestar? thank u Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
On Friday, October 7, 2016 8:59 PM, Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> (Herbgh(at)nctc.com) wrote:
slow list Chris...
I have installed full enclosures on two Fireflys...I did a gull wing enclosure on my MkIII..
easy to do...the 1/16 lexan just lays over the nose cone... a 4x4 sheet works...was 35 to 40 bucks here in Tenn.. Lay the paper covered lexan over the nose cone and rear bow that you have made and do a rough marking of the size...over sized a bit but to shape ..this makes it easy to clamp and handle. Once the shape is made then move on to mounting..I let the Lexan lay over the nose cone by about 1 and one half inch..enough to allow the rubber seal to clear the front of the cone a bit... 1/8th inch...will do..
Making the rear bow is not science...just bend it carefully and try not to go to round such that it is sticking out any further than need be...Guess your shoulders would dictate the bow size..Oval is good..toward flat.on the sides.. The top of this bow is braced by another bow that runs rather horizontal to the cromolly verticals that attach to the spar carry through..this is attached to the cromolly tubes with gussets and that tube and rear bow meet and are gusseted to one another..on the top...
I install a stop screw and decorative washer at about 10 am.. thru the lexan to the cone..I raise the lexan up to a comfortable entry position and install that screw...I also note where the lexan is on the rear bow and install large head rivets from there down to the end of the bow on that side(left) I install a powder coated white angle aluminum on the top of the left longeron and fasten it in maybe three or 4 places then fasten it to the lexan from nose to bow I attach it to the bottom of the rear bow but not to the nose cone....I use the decorative dimpled washer and flush screws there...then once the lexan is down on the right side...I mark the paper covering and install white angle aluminum there also..from nose cone to bow..At the nose end I install a tapered screw of my own making I flatten or grind it flat and attach it to the aluminum angle ..I drill a hole in the nose cone bracket such that the tapered screw fits snugly and holds a good wrap around the nose cone.. before you do this install the rubber seal on this end of the lexan..some hold it with silicone but I use the 3m black weather seal...Trial fit the rubber seal and tape the lexan on both sides so that the rubber goo that squeezes out of the seal does not get on the lexan beyond where it is intended to go...I use good auto paint tape here...Then install the tapered screw on the angle that is attached same as the angle on the left side...now...make a sliding latch that is captured by the aluminum bow that the rear of the lexan lays on...you can make some sort of prop...to hold the lexan open for entry/exit ...i tended to use my head... naturally the right side angle is only attached to the lexan... and it is good to make a stop on the sliding latch such that is cannot rise up the bow..though the slip stream should be fine for that...
Clear as mud? Herb
my cost is usually the price of the lexan...maybe total of 50 bucks..
oops...brakes...I use mountain bike brakes..they come from the salvage yard on bicycles ...front only usually...meaning that one side mounts with cable forward and the other side rearword..
I turn aluminum spindles to mate the disk to the rim..I have good luck using the two piece spun rims...they are true...
The hard part is mounting the caliper...here you need to make an aluminum plate that slides over the axle and mounts to the 4 holes in the large washer that is part of the kolb axle..from here it is a matter of a spacer,trial and error, to get the disk pad/caliper/disk distance correct. a cromolly tube that slips over the axle and sets the distance from disk/rim to caliper... is the spacer..
In the pics..notice that I left too much lexan on the left side..need only be 1/4 inch below the longeron..
On 10/07/2016 01:49 PM, chris davis wrote:
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Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> (capedavis(at)yahoo.com) wrote:
Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my Firestar KXP for 10 years without brakes , had almost no trouble on the field i fly out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft asphalt with a full length grass field along side which i used most of the time but I also went to flyins where there was a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any trouble as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb concerned emails on the list and see that most builders go out of there way and risk too much weight to install brakes . Are they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?
My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb and asked for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan as I have a local supplier for that the price was $308 ? What is included ?
Looking at the Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth of aluminum and a few bolts I think I can build it myself . Is there somthing I am missing ? Just hoping for some input Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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Yep...groung handling takes many forms... Â Herb
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Brakes are good for lots of stuff:
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-As Herb mentioned, ground handling, especially in high wind. Also nice to prevent ground looping in high cross wind conditions.
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-Back in the mid 1980s, I landed at Ozark, Alabama, Airport. The gas pump was downhill from the taxiway. Had to get out of the US and FS (before I got brakes) and walk the aircraft down to the pump.
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-They are also handy for run up and mag check.
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Plenty cross wind in Ely, NV. Hard to walk from the truck to McDonalds for a hamburger.Â
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john h
mkIII
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Subject: Re: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure
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good for ground handling...mainly...Herb
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On 10/08/2016 11:04 AM, chris davis wrote:
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Herb Thank u for the very complete answer to my full enclosure question Im sure I can build it for a lot less than $300 Â that Kolb asked for it . Your brakes look great but my question was do I need brakes more on the Firefly than the Firestar? thank u Chris
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Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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On Friday, October 7, 2016 8:59 PM, Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> (Herbgh(at)nctc.com) wrote:
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slow list Chris...
 I have installed full enclosures on two Fireflys...I did a gull wing enclosure on my MkIII..
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  easy to do...the 1/16 lexan just lays over the nose cone... a 4x4 sheet works...was 35 to 40 bucks here in Tenn.. Lay the paper covered lexan over the nose cone and rear bow that you have made and do a rough marking of the size...over sized a bit but to shape ..this makes it easy to clamp and handle. Once the shape is made then move on to mounting..I let the Lexan lay over the nose cone by about 1 and one half inch..enough to allow the rubber seal to clear the front of the cone a bit... 1/8th inch...will do..
 Making the rear bow is not science...just bend it carefully and try not to go to round such that it is sticking out any further than need be...Guess your shoulders would dictate the bow size..Oval is good..toward flat.on the sides.. The top of this bow is braced by another bow that runs rather horizontal to the cromolly verticals that attach to the spar carry through..this is attached to the cromolly tubes with gussets and that tube and rear bow meet and are gusseted to one another..on the top...
 I install a stop screw and decorative washer at about 10 am.. thru the lexan to the cone..I raise the lexan up to a comfortable entry position and install that screw...I also note where the lexan is on the rear bow and install large head rivets from there down to the end of the bow on that side(left) I install a powder coated white angle aluminum on the top of the left longeron and fasten it in maybe three or 4 places then fasten it to the lexan from nose to bow I attach it to the bottom of the rear bow but not to the nose cone....I use the decorative dimpled washer and flush screws there...then once the lexan is down on the right side...I mark the paper covering and install white angle aluminum there also..from nose cone to bow..At the nose end I install a tapered screw of my own making I flatten or grind it flat and attach it to the aluminum angle  ..I drill a hole in the nose cone bracket such that the tapered screw fits snugly and holds a good wrap around the nose cone.. before you do this install the rubber seal on this end of the lexan..some hold it with silicone but I use the 3m black weather seal...Trial fit the rubber seal and tape the lexan on both sides so that the rubber goo that squeezes out of the seal does not get on the lexan beyond where it is intended to go...I use good auto paint tape here...Then install the tapered screw on the angle that is attached same as the angle on the left side...now...make a sliding latch that is captured by the aluminum bow that the rear of the lexan lays on...you can make some sort of prop...to hold the lexan open for entry/exit ...i tended to use my head... naturally the right side angle is only attached to the lexan... and it is good to make a stop on the sliding latch such that is cannot rise up the bow..though the slip stream should be fine for that...
 Clear as mud? Herb
 my cost is usually the price of the lexan...maybe total of 50 bucks..
 oops...brakes...I use mountain bike brakes..they come from the salvage yard on bicycles ...front only usually...meaning that one side mounts with cable forward and the other side rearword..
  I turn aluminum spindles to mate the disk to the rim..I have good luck using the two piece spun rims...they are true...
 The hard part is mounting the caliper...here you need to make an aluminum plate that slides over the axle and mounts to the 4 holes in the large washer that is part of the kolb axle..from here it is a matter of a spacer,trial and error, to get the disk pad/caliper/disk distance correct. a cromolly tube that slips over the axle and sets the distance from disk/rim to caliper... is the spacer..
 In the pics..notice that I left too much lexan on the left side..need only be 1/4 inch below the longeron..
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On 10/07/2016 01:49 PM, chris davis wrote:
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Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> (capedavis(at)yahoo.com) wrote:
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Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my Firestar KXP for 10 years without brakes , had almost no trouble on the field i fly out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft asphalt with a full length grass field along side which i used most of the time but I also went to flyins where there was a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any trouble as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb concerned emails on the list and see that most builders go out of there way and risk too much weight to install brakes  . Are they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?
   My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb and asked for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan as I have a local supplier for that the price was $308 ? What is included ?
 Looking at the Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth of aluminum and a few bolts I think I can build it myself . Is there somthing I am missing ? Just hoping for some input Chris
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KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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haven't had the first brandy!!  groung??
On 10/10/2016 07:54 PM, Herb wrote:
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Yep...groung handling takes many forms... Herb
On 10/10/2016 02:42 PM, John Hauck wrote:
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Brakes are good for lots of stuff:
Â
-As Herb mentioned, ground handling, especially in high wind. Also nice to prevent ground looping in high cross wind conditions.
Â
-Back in the mid 1980s, I landed at Ozark, Alabama, Airport. The gas pump was downhill from the taxiway. Had to get out of the US and FS (before I got brakes) and walk the aircraft down to the pump.
Â
-They are also handy for run up and mag check.
Â
Plenty cross wind in Ely, NV. Hard to walk from the truck to McDonalds for a hamburger.Â
Â
john h
mkIII
Â
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2016 11:59 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure
Â
good for ground handling...mainly...Herb
Â
On 10/08/2016 11:04 AM, chris davis wrote:
| Quote: |
Herb Thank u for the very complete answer to my full enclosure question Im sure I can build it for a lot less than $300 Â that Kolb asked for it . Your brakes look great but my question was do I need brakes more on the Firefly than the Firestar? thank u Chris
Â
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
Â
On Friday, October 7, 2016 8:59 PM, Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> (Herbgh(at)nctc.com) wrote:
Â
slow list Chris...
 I have installed full enclosures on two Fireflys...I did a gull wing enclosure on my MkIII..
Â
  easy to do...the 1/16 lexan just lays over the nose cone... a 4x4 sheet works...was 35 to 40 bucks here in Tenn.. Lay the paper covered lexan over the nose cone and rear bow that you have made and do a rough marking of the size...over sized a bit but to shape ..this makes it easy to clamp and handle. Once the shape is made then move on to mounting..I let the Lexan lay over the nose cone by about 1 and one half inch..enough to allow the rubber seal to clear the front of the cone a bit... 1/8th inch...will do..
 Making the rear bow is not science...just bend it carefully and try not to go to round such that it is sticking out any further than need be...Guess your shoulders would dictate the bow size..Oval is good..toward flat.on the sides.. The top of this bow is braced by another bow that runs rather horizontal to the cromolly verticals that attach to the spar carry through..this is attached to the cromolly tubes with gussets and that tube and rear bow meet and are gusseted to one another..on the top...
 I install a stop screw and decorative washer at about 10 am.. thru the lexan to the cone..I raise the lexan up to a comfortable entry position and install that screw...I also note where the lexan is on the rear bow and install large head rivets from there down to the end of the bow on that side(left) I install a powder coated white angle aluminum on the top of the left longeron and fasten it in maybe three or 4 places then fasten it to the lexan from nose to bow I attach it to the bottom of the rear bow but not to the nose cone....I use the decorative dimpled washer and flush screws there...then once the lexan is down on the right side...I mark the paper covering and install white angle aluminum there also..from nose cone to bow..At the nose end I install a tapered screw of my own making I flatten or grind it flat and attach it to the aluminum angle  ..I drill a hole in the nose cone bracket such that the tapered screw fits snugly and holds a good wrap around the nose cone.. before you do this install the rubber seal on this end of the lexan..some hold it with silicone but I use the 3m black weather seal...Trial fit the rubber seal and tape the lexan on both sides so that the rubber goo that squeezes out of the seal does not get on the lexan beyond where it is intended to go...I use good auto paint tape here...Then install the tapered screw on the angle that is attached same as the angle on the left side...now...make a sliding latch that is captured by the aluminum bow that the rear of the lexan lays on...you can make some sort of prop...to hold the lexan open for entry/exit ...i tended to use my head... naturally the right side angle is only attached to the lexan... and it is good to make a stop on the sliding latch such that is cannot rise up the bow..though the slip stream should be fine for that...
 Clear as mud? Herb
 my cost is usually the price of the lexan...maybe total of 50 bucks..
 oops...brakes...I use mountain bike brakes..they come from the salvage yard on bicycles ...front only usually...meaning that one side mounts with cable forward and the other side rearword..
  I turn aluminum spindles to mate the disk to the rim..I have good luck using the two piece spun rims...they are true...
 The hard part is mounting the caliper...here you need to make an aluminum plate that slides over the axle and mounts to the 4 holes in the large washer that is part of the kolb axle..from here it is a matter of a spacer,trial and error, to get the disk pad/caliper/disk distance correct. a cromolly tube that slips over the axle and sets the distance from disk/rim to caliper... is the spacer..
 In the pics..notice that I left too much lexan on the left side..need only be 1/4 inch below the longeron..
Â
On 10/07/2016 01:49 PM, chris davis wrote:
| Quote: |
Â
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
Â
On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> (capedavis(at)yahoo.com) wrote:
Â
Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my Firestar KXP for 10 years without brakes , had almost no trouble on the field i fly out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft asphalt with a full length grass field along side which i used most of the time but I also went to flyins where there was a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any trouble as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb concerned emails on the list and see that most builders go out of there way and risk too much weight to install brakes  . Are they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?
   My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb and asked for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan as I have a local supplier for that the price was $308 ? What is included ?
 Looking at the Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth of aluminum and a few bolts I think I can build it myself . Is there somthing I am missing ? Just hoping for some input Chris
Â
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Â
Â
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
Â
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