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 Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:38 am Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
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Trying to decide which way to go with it. The air worthiness certificate
was cancelled by the original builder, liability reasons I guess.. How
would one re-certify or get new registration?
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Look up the phone number for your local FSDO. And ask
Boyd
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:17 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
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I would not call the Friendly Aviation Advisors until I had a plan...
I do not claim to be an expert, but it is my understanding that...
Once airworthiness document is surrendered it can never be recoverd or reestablished with that airframe serial number..
Check the registry to verify the actual status...
Registering as exhibition is extremely restrictive...don’t go that direction until you get the details, and I dont think you can get that anyway once it has been pulled from the registry.
It is not uncommon practice to rebuild GA certified aircraft starting from a crashed aircraft data plate....
It is common to rebuild experimentals after damage from new kit parts or existing parts from another similar experimental aircraft.....Obviously need an A&P sign off...maybe IA.....maybe even DER and may need a fly off period because it qualifies as a rather major repair .
I would be thinking about using your parts to repair someone else's damaged aircraft that is still registered, has a SN, and data plate. I would talk to guys in my local EAA chapter and maybe EAA headquarters to make sure I was staying within the rules before talking to FAA. .
Again , I don’t claim to be an expert, but if it were me, this is were I would start looking for solution......
Bob
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Trying to decide which way to go with it. The air worthiness certificate
was cancelled by the original builder, liability reasons I guess.. How
would one re-certify or get new registration?
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..Look up the phone number for your local FSDO. And ask
Boyd
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japowell
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
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Thanks Boyd,
The data plate is not on this frame. There is a number stamped on the cage but it doesn't match the serial number on the aw cert. So I'm wondering if I rebuild with photos to document, I could register it using the serial no. on the cage. It needs new tail feathers, tail boom and a new folding tail setup and everything will have to be assembled and reset up or rigged. All control cables will need to be fabricated. It will need new covering and painting. Maybe ELSA?
Thanks,
Jim P
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George Alexander
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
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S . N . I . P . Maybe ELSA?
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Jim P
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The effort you describe could possibly lead to Experimental - Amateur Built not ELSA.
Above worth what you paid for it.....
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byoungplumbing(at)gmail.c
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:25 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
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One more thing to check is the serial number on the engine. Make sure you have a paper trail for everything.
ESLA had to be built exactly to the plans without mods till after the aw cert. Experimental can be built the way you want.
With experimental you can get repairman cert. WITH ESLA. Any buyer can get a repairman documents with a course..
You don't have to build it all.. just be able to show it was built by armatures.
When a plane is sold the registration should be turned in... And it should be reissued to the buyer for the asking. Just send in your copy of the 3 part sales form.
Boyd
On Dec 22, 2016 5:13 PM, "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com (japnmjp(at)twc.com)> wrote: | Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: "japowell" <japnmjp(at)twc.com (japnmjp(at)twc.com)>
Thanks Boyd,
The data plate is not on this frame. There is a number stamped on the cage but it doesn't match the serial number on the aw cert. So I'm wondering if I rebuild with photos to document, I could register it using the serial no. on the cage. It needs new tail feathers, tail boom and a new folding tail setup and everything will have to be assembled and reset up or rigged. All control cables will need to be fabricated. It will need new covering and painting. Maybe ELSA?
Thanks,
Jim P
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
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Both bill of sales says miscellaneous non-airworthy experimental aircraft parts. Doesn't mention engine, just parts.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:12 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
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You should be good
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:22 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
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I had a DAR tell me that exhibition registration is not nearly as
limiting as it once was...Herb
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:59 am Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
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Sorry, There's no way to register your plane as an Experimental Light Sport Aircraft (ELSA). That option ended January 31st, 2008 when the grandfathering period ended. In order to register as an ELSA since it must be an exact copy of a qualifying Special Light Sport Aircraft (SLSA). See FAR 21.191(i)1-3.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:06 am Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
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Talking to a DAR about this subject...since I just bought the "for training only" Challenger II...He named two ways to get it legal...The only one I recall was some sort of Exhibition method...Saying that there was not nearly as much restriction on planes with that registration mode .. as times past...almost none....Feds quite lax or regs have changed? Herb
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| Quote: | Sorry, There's no way to register your plane as an Experimental Light Sport Aircraft (ELSA). That option ended January 31st, 2008 when the grandfathering period ended. In order to register as an ELSA since it must be an exact copy of a qualifying Special Light Sport Aircraft (SLSA). See FAR 21.191(i)1-3.
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