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Robert Reed

Joined: 22 Oct 2009
Posts: 331
Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:31 am Post subject: Wing walk

Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as I finish interior panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the 12 inch was really a bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when placed on wing. Any personal experience to share and where from leading edge did you start. 



Bob Reed

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wschertz343(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:53 am Post subject: Wing walk

Bob

My Wing Walk was put on by my painter, applying a grit, then painting over 

it. Initially it was black, per tradition, but when I started taking it 

outside, I felt it got too hot in the sun and had it over sprayed with the 

off-white that I used on the rest of the plane. I felt the WW being black 

could be bad for the composite material. You live in a hotter, sunnier 

climate that I did at the time.

Bill



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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:53 pm Post subject: Wing walk

Glad to hear you're going to the finish line with your project Bob. 

I miss mine but had little choice. 



In my next life I know better than building and would instead buy a used Arrow retractable for about the same money I put into the project. 

That way I could have been flying all those years. 

Al



[quote] On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Bill Schertz <wschertz343(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Bob

 My Wing Walk was put on by my painter, applying a grit, then painting over it. Initially it was black, per tradition, but when I started taking it outside, I felt it got too hot in the sun and had it over sprayed with the off-white that I used on the rest of the plane. I felt the WW being black could be bad for the composite material. You live in a hotter, sunnier climate that I did at the time.

 Bill

 

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bakerocb

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 727
Location: FAIRFAX VA

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:49 pm Post subject: Wing walk

2/28/2017



Hello Robert, I have never understood the desire to glue some very coarse 

black sandpaper on the inboard top of the wings of an aircraft that I was 

building and planning to fly myself. Maybe for some rental airplane that may 

make some sense, but not for one of our home builts.



What does make sense to me is to purchase some non adhesive rubberized shelf 

or tool drawer liner (Similar to these):



https://www.walmart.com/c/kp/shelf-liner



and cut four pieces of the appropriate length and width, two sized for the 

wing walk and two sized for laying over the door sill when getting in or out 

or working on the plane.



Once all occupants are seated in the airplane it is very easy to ball up (or 

fold up if you are a neat nick) and stow the shelf liners behind the heels 

of the copilot. This is otherwise unoccupied space.



I have flown my airplane for over 10 years and never encountered a problem 

unless the wind was blowing so hard that the wing walks wanted to fly away 

before stowing them. II t was usually pretty easy to find some weight (nav 

bag or whatever) to anchor the wing walks in that situation until it was 

time to stow them before flight.



Try it -- it is a low cost, very convenient solution and if you eventually 

don't like it you can always go the coarse black sand paper route.



OC



PS: Along the same line of protecting my airplane's finish I have purchased 

some camp sleeping pad or exercise mats (here are some examples):



https://www.amazon.com/Therm-A-Rest-6432-Therm-a-Rest-RidgeRest-Classic/dp/B00HANOY9I/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1503974286&sr=8-6&keywords=camp+sleeping+pad



and I keep these pads on the top surface of the wings whenever the airplane 

is in the hangar. Makes great paint protection from tools, parts, battery 

charger, etc.



============================================



From: Robert Reed

Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 11:29 AM

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Wing walk






Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as I finish interior 

panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the 12 inch was really 

a bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when placed on wing. Any 

personal experience to share and where from leading edge did you start.



Bob Reed

Sent from my iPhone

galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:53 am Post subject: Wing walk

FWIW: I have had "wing walk" on my airplane since 2008 and am glad I have it. My airplane now has over 1,200 flying hrs, and counting, with the "wing walk" showing all the abuse it has taken. All that abuse on the "wing walk" area is abuse the wing did not take so the wing is still in very good condition. When the "wing walk" area eventually wears enough, I will replace it with new material. I guess there is a reason that many low wing airplanes come from the factory with "wing walk" tape. YMMV Â  Â  Â 



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On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:48 PM, OC <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote:

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		  --> KIS-List message posted by: "OC" <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)>

 

 2/28/2017

 

 Hello Robert, I have never understood the desire to glue some very coarse black sandpaper on the inboard top of the wings of an aircraft that I was building and planning to fly myself. Maybe for some rental airplane that may make some sense, but not for one of our home builts.

 

 What does make sense to me is to purchase some non adhesive rubberized shelf or tool drawer liner (Similar to these):

 

 https://www.walmart.com/c/kp/shelf-liner

 

 and cut four pieces of the appropriate length and width, two sized for the wing walk and two sized for laying over the door sill when getting in or out or working on the plane.

 

 Once all occupants are seated in the airplane it is very easy to ball up (or fold up if you are a neat nick) and stow the shelf liners behind the heels of the copilot. This is otherwise unoccupied space.

 

 I have flown my airplane for over 10 years and never encountered a problem unless the wind was blowing so hard that the wing walks wanted to fly away before stowing them. II t was usually pretty easy to find some weight (nav bag or whatever) to anchor the wing walks in that situation until it was time to stow them before flight.

 

 Try it -- it is a low cost, very convenient solution and if you eventually don't like it you can always go the coarse black sand paper route.

 

 OC

 

 PS: Along the same line of protecting my airplane's finish I have purchased some camp sleeping pad or exercise mats (here are some examples):

 

 https://www.amazon.com/Therm-A-Rest-6432-Therm-a-Rest-RidgeRest-Classic/dp/B00HANOY9I/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1503974286&sr=8-6&keywords=camp+sleeping+pad

 

 and I keep these pads on the top surface of the wings whenever the airplane is in the hangar. Makes great paint protection from tools, parts, battery charger, etc.

 

 ===================

 

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 Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 11:29 AM

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 Subject: Wing walk

 

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 Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as I finish interior panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the 12 inch was really a bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when placed on wing. Any personal experience to share and where from leading edge did you start.

 

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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:27 pm Post subject: Wing walk

Here are pics of the "wing walk" area where you can see some of the abuse it has taken. The wing area underneath is in excellent condition.



On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  FWIW: I have had "wing walk" on my airplane since 2008 and am glad I have it. My airplane now has over 1,200 flying hrs, and counting, with the "wing walk" showing all the abuse it has taken. All that abuse on the "wing walk" area is abuse the wing did not take so the wing is still in very good condition. When the "wing walk" area eventually wears enough, I will replace it with new material. I guess there is a reason that many low wing airplanes come from the factory with "wing walk" tape. YMMV Â  Â  Â 



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On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:48 PM, OC <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote:

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 2/28/2017

 

 Hello Robert, I have never understood the desire to glue some very coarse black sandpaper on the inboard top of the wings of an aircraft that I was building and planning to fly myself. Maybe for some rental airplane that may make some sense, but not for one of our home builts.

 

 What does make sense to me is to purchase some non adhesive rubberized shelf or tool drawer liner (Similar to these):

 

 https://www.walmart.com/c/kp/shelf-liner

 

 and cut four pieces of the appropriate length and width, two sized for the wing walk and two sized for laying over the door sill when getting in or out or working on the plane.

 

 Once all occupants are seated in the airplane it is very easy to ball up (or fold up if you are a neat nick) and stow the shelf liners behind the heels of the copilot. This is otherwise unoccupied space.

 

 I have flown my airplane for over 10 years and never encountered a problem unless the wind was blowing so hard that the wing walks wanted to fly away before stowing them. II t was usually pretty easy to find some weight (nav bag or whatever) to anchor the wing walks in that situation until it was time to stow them before flight.

 

 Try it -- it is a low cost, very convenient solution and if you eventually don't like it you can always go the coarse black sand paper route.

 

 OC

 

 PS: Along the same line of protecting my airplane's finish I have purchased some camp sleeping pad or exercise mats (here are some examples):

 

 https://www.amazon.com/Therm-A-Rest-6432-Therm-a-Rest-RidgeRest-Classic/dp/B00HANOY9I/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1503974286&sr=8-6&keywords=camp+sleeping+pad

 

 and I keep these pads on the top surface of the wings whenever the airplane is in the hangar. Makes great paint protection from tools, parts, battery charger, etc.

 

 ===================

 

 From: Robert Reed

 Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 11:29 AM

 To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Wing walk

 

 --> KIS-List message posted by: Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)>

 

 Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as I finish interior panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the 12 inch was really a bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when placed on wing. Any personal experience to share and where from leading edge did you start.

 

 Bob Reed

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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:35 pm Post subject: Wing walk

Hi Bob, I used the white wing walk from Spruce. I trimmed it to about 17 by 

36 and started it about 2 inches back from the leading edge. This leaves 

about 5 inches of the aft wing not covered as I didn't think it needed it. I 

used some small pieces on the brake pedals to prevent slipping. I'll try 

attaching a photo of the walk. FYI, this is a two person job to apply so be 

sweet to your wife in the next few days. Also it will have some bubbles to 

roll out. I used a large deep socket as a roller and it took the finish off 

the socket and the skin off my hand as I smoothed it out. Get a short piece 

of pipe to use as a roller. This stuff just attracts dirt. I found foamy 

bath cleaner and a bristle brush to work best to clean it. Happy building.



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Robert Reed

Joined: 22 Oct 2009
Posts: 331
Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:55 am Post subject: Wing walk

ALL,

Thank you for your input and especially the photos, they are a great help.  As usual there is a diverse set of opinions and solutions, all of which gave me some serious things to consider before placing something permanent or near permanent on my wing top.   OC, I agree with you and were I a younger man with a younger wife the idea of a removable mat would be at the top of my list but the reality of having to put it out and take it up every time is not appealing.  I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice but quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real problem here in Texas summers.  White, as noted, is a dirt magnet but should be cooler.  Where to start the wing walk on the leading edge or back several inches was my first question and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener.  I can easily see that damage to the leading edge while getting into the plane with the retractable step would be hard to avoid.  Ed, seeing you photo of the 17 inch wide walk confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should be sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.

Thank you all for your input,

Bob Reed



       From: Ed Hanson <hansoncp(at)netnitco.net>

 To: kis-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:36 PM

 Subject: Re: Wing walk

  

 

Hi Bob, I used the white wing walk from Spruce. I trimmed it to about 17 by 



36 and started it about 2 inches back from the leading edge. This leaves 



about 5 inches of the aft wing not covered as I didn't think it needed it. I 



used some small pieces on the brake pedals to prevent slipping. I'll try 



attaching a photo of the walk. FYI, this is a two person job to apply so be 



sweet to your wife in the next few days. Also it will have some bubbles to 



roll out. I used a large deep socket as a roller and it took the finish off 



the socket and the skin off my hand as I smoothed it out. Get a short piece 



of pipe to use as a roller. This stuff just attracts dirt. I found foamy 



bath cleaner and a bristle brush to work best to clean it. Happy building.



---

aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:42 am Post subject: Wing walk

On my older DA-40 the wing walk is about 18" wide and light gray stick on nonskid.  Newer DA-40s use 1" wide gray nonskid tape spaced about 1" apart.  Attached are pictures.

www.ebay.com/itm/1-x-60-Roll-Rubberized-Anti-Slip-Safety-Tape-Non-Skid-Stair-Grip-Boat-Gray-/152673817385

You can also find transparent nonskid tape.

www.ebay.com/itm/PEVA-Anti-Slip-Non-Skid-Tape-Stair-Step-Floor-Safety-Grip-Walkways-Adhesive-/192239500174

Gray might now show the dirt as much.  In any case I think this tape looks better for longer even in white.  I have this in white on my boat and it looks great after years of harder use than you will see in an aircraft.

When I repaint my DA-40, I plan on using the 1" stripe method.  I am not so sure this really has less drag but I think it looks better and still works great as a wing walk without adding too much heat..

I plan on doing similar to my TR-1 and TR-4.

Mark K.

--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 8/30/17, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Wing walk

 To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com" <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 1:14 PM

 ALL,

 Thank

 you for your input and especially the photos, they are a

 great help.Â  As usual there is a diverse set of opinions

 and solutions, all of which gave me some serious things to

 consider before placing something permanent or near

 permanent on my wing top.Â Â  OC, I agree with you and were

 I a younger man with a younger wife the idea of a removable

 mat would be at the top of my list but the reality of having

 to put it out and take it up every time is not appealing.Â 

 I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice but

 quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real problem

 here in Texas summers.Â  White, as noted, is a dirt magnet

 but should be cooler.Â  Where to start the wing walk on the

 leading edge or back several inches was my first question

 and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener.Â  I can

 easily see that damage to the leading edge while getting

 into the plane with the retractable step would be hard to

 avoid.Â  Ed, seeing you photo of the 17 inch wide walk

 confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should be

 sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.

 Thank

 you all for your input,

 Bob

 Reed

   From: Ed Hanson

 <hansoncp(at)netnitco.net>

  To:

 kis-list(at)matronics.com 

  Sent: Tuesday, August

 29, 2017 8:36 PM

  Subject: Re: KIS-List:

 Wing walk

 Hi

 Bob, I used the white wing walk from Spruce. I trimmed it to

 about 17 by 

 36

 and started it about 2 inches back from the leading edge.

 This leaves 

 about

 5 inches of the aft wing not covered as I didn't think

 it needed it. I 

 used

 some small pieces on the brake pedals to prevent slipping.

 I'll try 

 attaching

 a photo of the walk. FYI, this is a two person job to apply

 so be 

 sweet

 to your wife in the next few days. Also it will have some

 bubbles to 

 roll out. I

 used a large deep socket as a roller and it took the finish

 off 

 the

 socket and the skin off my hand as I smoothed it out. Get a

 short piece 

 of

 pipe to use as a roller. This stuff just attracts dirt. I

 found foamy 

 bath

 cleaner and a bristle brush to work best to clean it. Happy

 building.

 ----- Original Message

 ----- 

 From:

 "Robert Reed" <robertr237(at)att.net>

 To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

 Sent:

 Monday, August 28, 2017 10:29 AM

 Subject:

 Wing walk

 > --> KIS-List

 message posted by: Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net>

 >

 >

 Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as I

 finish interior 

 >

 panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the 12

 inch was 

 > really a

 bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when

 placed on 

 > wing.

 Any personal experience to share and where from leading edge

 did you 

 > start.

 >

 > Bob Reed

 > Sent from my

 iPhone

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

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gbrighton(at)skymesh.com.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:53 pm Post subject: Wing walk

Yep i'm with Mark ... i have the Black non slip stripes ... work great and 

available in White too ..,

Cheers Graham .

Ps ... A recently completed 540 powered Glassair visited our Field yesterday 

.. real eye catcher ... cruel to see the Pax step up and shoe  twist/screw 

on the fresh White Paint getting into the cockpit !!!!! ( ie no wingwalk )

--------------------------------------------------

From: "M Ketteing" <aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com>

Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:40 AM

To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Wing walk

 	  Quote: 	
		   On my older DA-40 the wing walk is about 18" wide and light gray stick on 

 nonskid.  Newer DA-40s use 1" wide gray nonskid tape spaced about 1" 

 apart.  Attached are pictures.

 www.ebay.com/itm/1-x-60-Roll-Rubberized-Anti-Slip-Safety-Tape-Non-Skid-Stair-Grip-Boat-Gray-/152673817385

 You can also find transparent nonskid tape.

 www.ebay.com/itm/PEVA-Anti-Slip-Non-Skid-Tape-Stair-Step-Floor-Safety-Grip-Walkways-Adhesive-/192239500174

 Gray might now show the dirt as much.  In any case I think this tape looks 

 better for longer even in white.  I have this in white on my boat and it 

 looks great after years of harder use than you will see in an aircraft.

 When I repaint my DA-40, I plan on using the 1" stripe method.  I am not 

 so sure this really has less drag but I think it looks better and still 

 works great as a wing walk without adding too much heat..

 I plan on doing similar to my TR-1 and TR-4.

 Mark K.

 --------------------------------------------

 On Wed, 8/30/17, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Wing walk

 To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com" <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 1:14 PM

 ALL,

 Thank

 you for your input and especially the photos, they are a

 great help.  As usual there is a diverse set of opinions

 and solutions, all of which gave me some serious things to

 consider before placing something permanent or near

 permanent on my wing top.   OC, I agree with you and were

 I a younger man with a younger wife the idea of a removable

 mat would be at the top of my list but the reality of having

 to put it out and take it up every time is not appealing.

 I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice but

 quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real problem

 here in Texas summers.  White, as noted, is a dirt magnet

 but should be cooler.  Where to start the wing walk on the

 leading edge or back several inches was my first question

 and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener.  I can

 easily see that damage to the leading edge while getting

 into the plane with the retractable step would be hard to

 avoid.  Ed, seeing you photo of the 17 inch wide walk

 confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should be

 sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.

 Thank

 you all for your input,

 Bob

 Reed

   From: Ed Hanson

 <hansoncp(at)netnitco.net>

  To:

 kis-list(at)matronics.com

  Sent: Tuesday, August

 29, 2017 8:36 PM

  Subject: Re: KIS-List:

 Wing walk

 Hi

 Bob, I used the white wing walk from Spruce. I trimmed it to

 about 17 by

 36

 and started it about 2 inches back from the leading edge.

 This leaves

 about

 5 inches of the aft wing not covered as I didn't think

 it needed it. I

 used

 some small pieces on the brake pedals to prevent slipping.

 I'll try

 attaching

 a photo of the walk. FYI, this is a two person job to apply

 so be

 sweet

 to your wife in the next few days. Also it will have some

 bubbles to

 roll out. I

 used a large deep socket as a roller and it took the finish

 off

 the

 socket and the skin off my hand as I smoothed it out. Get a

 short piece

 of

 pipe to use as a roller. This stuff just attracts dirt. I

 found foamy

 bath

 cleaner and a bristle brush to work best to clean it. Happy

 building.

 ----- Original Message

 ----- 

 From:

 "Robert Reed" <robertr237(at)att.net>

 To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

 Sent:

 Monday, August 28, 2017 10:29 AM

 Subject:

 Wing walk

 > --> KIS-List

 message posted by: Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net>

 >

 >

 Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as I

 finish interior

 >

 panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the 12

 inch was

 > really a

 bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when

 placed on

 > wing.

 Any personal experience to share and where from leading edge

 did you

 > start.

 >

 > Bob Reed

 > Sent from my

 iPhone

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:31 pm Post subject: Wing walk

OK, I give up.  How did you get to reply to a posting from M Ketteing that I haven't seen yet since is was sent tomorrow?

From: "M Ketteing" <aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com (aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com)>

Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:40 AM

If you have communications with people in the future, please have them send us an email with the biggest movers in tomorrows stock market.

Bob Reed



       From: Graham Brighton <gbrighton(at)skymesh.com.au>

 To: kis-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 4:53 PM

 Subject: Re: Wing walk

  

 

--> KIS-List message posted by: "Graham Brighton" <gbrighton(at)skymesh.com.au (gbrighton(at)skymesh.com.au)>



Yep i'm with Mark ... i have the Black non slip stripes ... work great and 



available in White too ..,



Cheers Graham .



Ps ... A recently completed 540 powered Glassair visited our Field yesterday 



... real eye catcher ... cruel to see the Pax step up and shoe  twist/screw 



on the fresh White Paint getting into the cockpit !!!!! ( ie no wingwalk )



--------------------------------------------------



From: "M Ketteing" <aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com (aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com)>



Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:40 AM



To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>



Subject: Re: Wing walk



 	  Quote: 	
		   On my older DA-40 the wing walk is about 18" wide and light gray stick on 


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   nonskid.  Newer DA-40s use 1" wide gray nonskid tape spaced about 1" 


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   apart.  Attached are pictures.


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   www.ebay.com/itm/1-x-60-Roll-Rubberized-Anti-Slip-Safety-Tape-Non-Skid-Stair-Grip-Boat-Gray-/152673817385


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   You can also find transparent nonskid tape.


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   www.ebay.com/itm/PEVA-Anti-Slip-Non-Skid-Tape-Stair-Step-Floor-Safety-Grip-Walkways-Adhesive-/192239500174


	


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		   Gray might now show the dirt as much.  In any case I think this tape looks 


	


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		   better for longer even in white.  I have this in white on my boat and it 


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   looks great after years of harder use than you will see in an aircraft.


	


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Just one of those life mysteries ... probably  a Date Line thing ...  ; ) ...  doesn't work for Stocks  tho  ; (

  



  From: Robert Reed (robertr237(at)att.net) 

 Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:27 AM

 To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com) 

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  OK, I give up.  How did you get to reply to a posting from M  Ketteing that I haven't seen yet since is was sent tomorrow?

 



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 Sent: Thursday, August 31,  2017 5:40 AM

 



 If you have communications  with people in the future, please have them send us an email with the biggest  movers in tomorrows stock market.

 



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 Yep i'm with Mark ... i have the Black non slip stripes .. work  great and 



 available in White too  .,



 Cheers Graham .



 Ps ... A recently completed  540 powered Glassair visited our Field yesterday 



 ... real eye catcher ...  cruel to see the Pax step up and shoe  twist/screw 



 on the fresh White Paint  getting into the cockpit !!!!! ( ie no wingwalk )



 



 



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 Sent: Thursday, August 31,  2017 5:40 AM



 To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>



 Subject: Re: Wing  walk



 



 > On my older DA-40 the  wing walk is about 18" wide and light gray stick on 



 > nonskid.  Newer  DA-40s use 1" wide gray nonskid tape spaced about 1" 



 > apart.  Attached  are pictures.



 >  www.ebay.com/itm/1-x-60-Roll-Rubberized-Anti-Slip-Safety-Tape-Non-Skid-Stair-Grip-Boat-Gray-/152673817385



 > You can also find  transparent nonskid tape.



 >  www.ebay.com/itm/PEVA-Anti-Slip-Non-Skid-Tape-Stair-Step-Floor-Safety-Grip-Walkways-Adhesive-/192239500174



 >



 > Gray might now show the dirt as much.  In any case I  think this tape looks 



 > better for longer even in white.  I have this in white on  my boat and it 



 > looks great after years of harder use than you will see in an  aircraft.



 >



 > When I repaint my DA-40, I plan on using the 1" stripe  method.  I am not 



 > so sure this really has less drag but I think it looks better  and still 



 > works great as a wing walk without adding too much  heat..



 >



 > I plan on doing similar to my TR-1 and TR-4.



 >



 > Mark K.



 >



 > --------------------------------------------



 > On Wed, 8/30/17, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)> wrote:



 >



 > Subject: Re: Wing walk



 > To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)" <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>



 > Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 1:14 PM



 >



 > ALL,



 > Thank



 > you for your input and especially the photos, they are  a



 > great help.  As usual there is a diverse set of  opinions



 > and solutions, all of which gave me some serious things  to



 > consider before placing something permanent or near



 > permanent on my wing top.  OC, I agree with you and  were



 > I a younger man with a younger wife the idea of a  removable



 > mat would be at the top of my list but the reality of  having



 > to put it out and take it up every time is not  appealing.



 > I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice  but



 > quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real  problem



 > here in Texas summers.  White, as noted, is a dirt  magnet



 > but should be cooler.  Where to start the wing walk on  the



 > leading edge or back several inches was my first  question



 > and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener.  I  can



 > easily see that damage to the leading edge while  getting



 > into the plane with the retractable step would be hard  to



 > avoid.  Ed, seeing you photo of the 17 inch wide  walk



 > confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should  be



 > sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.



 > Thank



 > you all for your input,



 > Bob



 > Reed



 >



 >



 >  From: Ed Hanson



 > <hansoncp(at)netnitco.net (hansoncp(at)netnitco.net)>



 >  To:



 > kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)



 >  Sent: Tuesday, August



 > 29, 2017 8:36 PM



 >  Subject: Re: KIS-List:



 > Wing walk



 >



 > Hi



 > Bob, I used the white wing walk from Spruce. I trimmed it  to



 > about 17 by



 > 36



 > and started it about 2 inches back from the leading  edge.



 > This leaves



 > about



 > 5 inches of the aft wing not covered as I didn't  think



 > it needed it. I



 > used



 > some small pieces on the brake pedals to prevent  slipping.



 > I'll try



 > attaching



 > a photo of the walk. FYI, this is a two person job to  apply



 > so be



 > sweet



 > to your wife in the next few days. Also it will have  some



 > bubbles to



 > roll out. I



 > used a large deep socket as a roller and it took the  finish



 > off



 > the



 > socket and the skin off my hand as I smoothed it out. Get  a



 > short piece



 > of



 > pipe to use as a roller. This stuff just attracts dirt.  I



 > found foamy



 > bath



 > cleaner and a bristle brush to work best to clean it.  Happy



 > building.



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 > ----- 



 > From:



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 > Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as  I



 > finish interior



 > >



 > panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the  12



 > inch was



 > > really a



 > bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide  when



 > placed on



 > > wing.



 > Any personal experience to share and where from leading  edge



 > did you



 > > start.



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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:52 am Post subject: Wing walk

8/31/2017



Hello Robert, You wrote: â€œ OC, I agree with you and were I a younger man 

with a younger wife the idea of a removable mat would be at the top of my 

list but the reality of having to put it out and take it up every time is 

not appealing."



a) "... were I a younger man..."



Oh come on now. You are not over 84 years of age are you with a variety of 

medical issues? I am and I don't find the movable protection any burden at 

all.



b) Don't think mat (heavy, difficult to fold) instead think shelf or tool 

tray liner (light, can easily be balled up (or folded if you insist)) and 

tossed behind the co pilots heels.



c) Besides  you are going to buy something (shelf or tool tray liner) to lay 

over the door sills to protect them any time that you are working on the 

airplane or getting in or out aren't you? If you don't do that pretty soon 

your door sills will look mighty shabby. So as long as you are buying some 

shelf or tool tray liner for the door sills you might as well cut some for 

wing walks also. If it doesn't work for you then you can glue some sand 

paper on the tops of your wings.



OC



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From: Robert Reed

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:14 PM

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Wing walk



ALL,

Thank you for your input and especially the photos, they are a great help. 

As usual there is a diverse set of opinions and solutions, all of which gave 

me some serious things to consider before placing something permanent or 

near permanent on my wing top.   OC, I agree with you and were I a younger 

man with a younger wife the idea of a removable mat would be at the top of 

my list but the reality of having to put it out and take it up every time is 

not appealing.  I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice but 

quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real problem here in Texas 

summers.  White, as noted, is a dirt magnet but should be cooler.  Where to 

start the wing walk on the leading edge or back several inches was my first 

question and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener.  I can easily see 

that damage to the leading edge while getting into the plane with the 

retractable step would be hard to avoid.  Ed, seeing you photo of the 17 

inch wide walk confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should be 

sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.

Thank you all for your input,

Bob Reed

fredorosa(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:21 am Post subject: Wing walk

A younger wife is the answer to many problems. 



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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:01 am Post subject: Wing walk

OR the start of many more problems.....



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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:11 am Post subject: Wing walk

A few thoughts:

A removable mat like a pilates mat is very light and good protection however it makes for another step so is not "keeping it simple".Â  The same could be said for removable screw eyes for tie down lines.

I saw a Lancair once that had the wing walk material cut into the shape of shoe prints and placed in specific spots where a person would have to step.Â  That seemed anal to me and what if the person had a different size shoe or wore heels?

I would use a 16" wing walk material that's battleship gray instead of black or white since black overheats and white gets grayish shoe marks (see Galin's pics).Â  If they don't make it in wing walk material then paint with a grit mixture can be used.

Al

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 > On Aug 31, 2017, at 6:49 AM, OC <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote:

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 > gave

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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:26 am Post subject: Wing walk

a) "... were I a younger man..."



Oh come on now. You are not over 84 years of age are you with a variety of 

medical issues? I am and I don't find the movable protection any burden at 

all.





NO, I am not but I may be someday soon and I believe in planning ahead rather than regretting the past.  That's why I am designing my new retirement home to be completely barrier free with wide doors and zero steps.  



b) Don't think mat (heavy, difficult to fold) instead think shelf or tool 

tray liner (light, can easily be balled up (or folded if you insist)) and 

tossed behind the co pilots heels.





Never thought heavy or difficult to fold but did think about easily forgotten or tripping hazard if not laid our properly.



c) Besides  you are going to buy something (shelf or tool tray liner) to lay 

over the door sills to protect them any time that you are working on the 

airplane or getting in or out aren't you? If you don't do that pretty soon 

your door sills will look mighty shabby. So as long as you are buying some 

shelf or tool tray liner for the door sills you might as well cut some for 

wing walks also. If it doesn't work for you then you can glue some sand 

paper on the tops of your wings.



Door sills are one thing the wing walking area is another.  Safety is my first concern and looks are taking a back seat.

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 To: kis-list(at)matronics.com; REED ROBERT <robertr237(at)att.net> 

 Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:53 AM

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8/31/2017



Hello Robert, You wrote: â€œ OC, I agree with you and were I a younger man 



with a younger wife the idea of a removable mat would be at the top of my 



list but the reality of having to put it out and take it up every time is 



not appealing."



a) "... were I a younger man..."



Oh come on now. You are not over 84 years of age are you with a variety of 



medical issues? I am and I don't find the movable protection any burden at 



all.



b) Don't think mat (heavy, difficult to fold) instead think shelf or tool 



tray liner (light, can easily be balled up (or folded if you insist)) and 



tossed behind the co pilots heels.



c) Besides  you are going to buy something (shelf or tool tray liner) to lay 



over the door sills to protect them any time that you are working on the 



airplane or getting in or out aren't you? If you don't do that pretty soon 



your door sills will look mighty shabby. So as long as you are buying some 



shelf or tool tray liner for the door sills you might as well cut some for 



wing walks also. If it doesn't work for you then you can glue some sand 



paper on the tops of your wings.



OC



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From: Robert Reed



Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:14 PM



To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)



Subject: Re: Wing walk



ALL,



Thank you for your input and especially the photos, they are a great help. 



As usual there is a diverse set of opinions and solutions, all of which gave 



me some serious things to consider before placing something permanent or 



near permanent on my wing top.   OC, I agree with you and were I a younger 



man with a younger wife the idea of a removable mat would be at the top of 



my list but the reality of having to put it out and take it up every time is 



not appealing.  I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice but 



quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real problem here in Texas 



summers.  White, as noted, is a dirt magnet but should be cooler.  Where to 



start the wing walk on the leading edge or back several inches was my first 



question and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener.  I can easily see 



that damage to the leading edge while getting into the plane with the 



retractable step would be hard to avoid.  Ed, seeing you photo of the 17 



inch wide walk confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should be 



sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.



Thank you all for your input,



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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:48 am Post subject: Wing walk

Al,



Totally agree with everything you said.  I hate the thought of putting something on the wing that disturbs the finish or the air flow.  I cringed at the thought that the Dynon GPS 2020 antenna needed to be mounted on the outside of the fuselage rather than on the inside.  I spent many hours and years trying to build the perfect airplane with the perfect finish but instead of finishing and flying that airplane I spent too many hours obsessing over things that were more cosmetic than functional.  As a result, it has cost me more time and money than I could ever  imagine and still it is not near perfect nor will it ever be perfect.  My only goal now is to finish the plane and make it as safe as possible.  If the white wing walk turns gray from use then I will be happy as hell.  Right now, I can't look at the plane without seeing every single flaw but that's because I can't yet enjoy the ability to lift off the ground and fly.

I know that in the future others will look at the plane and be critical of the finish on the wings, the various flaws in the paint, or the amateur upholstery work.  The lower cowling has already and will continue to get some critical remarks and I will be the first to say I don't like it but it solved a problem at the time.  As it turns out, the problem (FADEC) has been discarded at a very high cost and would no longer require the solution but it is done and will remain until long after the first flight.   That once would have bothered me and I would have totally redone the entire thing but not now.  I am resigned to the fact that finishing and flying is more important than show quality and perfection.





Bob Reed

PS:  I apologize to every builder whom I mentally criticized for some flaw or lack of finish detail that I have seen over the years.  I have now walked the mile in your shoes and have the blisters to prove it.

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 A few thoughts:A removable mat like a pilates mat is very light and good protection however it makes for another step so is not "keeping it simple".  The same could be said for removable screw eyes for tie down lines.



I saw a Lancair once that had the wing walk material cut into the shape of shoe prints and placed in specific spots where a person would have to step.  That seemed anal to me and what if the person had a different size shoe or wore heels?



I would use a 16" wing walk material that's battleship gray instead of black or white since black overheats and white gets grayish shoe marks (see Galin's pics).  If they don't make it in wing walk material then paint with a grit mixture can be used.

Al



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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:21 am Post subject: Wing walk

Here is a photo of my GPS antennas (Dynon and Garmin 430W) installation under the glareshield. If you make the glareshield out of fiberglass, you don't even need the phonelic cut outs.Â 



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  What says you have to mount the DYNON GPS-2020 on the outside of the fuselage? I have had mine mounted under the glare shield inside the airplane since 2012 with no problem. REMEMBER you are flying inside a big fiberglass radome which is 100% transparent to RF signals.



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)> wrote:

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		  Al,



Totally agree with everything you said.Â  I hate the thought of putting something on the wing that disturbs the finish or the air flow.Â  I cringed at the thought that the Dynon GPS 2020 antenna needed to be mounted on the outside of the fuselage rather than on the inside.Â  I spent many hours and years trying to build the perfect airplane with the perfect finish but instead of finishing and flying that airplane I spent too many hours obsessing over things that were more cosmetic than functional.Â  As a result, it has cost me more time and money than IÂ could ever Â imagine and still it is not near perfectÂ nor will it ever be perfect.Â  My only goal now is to finish the plane and make it as safe as possible.Â  If the white wing walk turns gray from use then I will be happy as hell.Â  Right now, I can't look at the plane without seeing every single flaw but that's because I can't yet enjoy the ability to lift off the ground and fly.

I know that in the future others will look at the plane and be critical of the finish on the wings, the various flaws in the paint,Â or the amateur upholstery work.Â  The lower cowlingÂ has already and will continue to get some critical remarksÂ and I will be the first to say I don't like it but it solved a problem at the time.Â Â As it turns out, the problem (FADEC)Â has been discarded at a very high cost and would no longer require the solution but it is done and will remain until long after the first flight.Â  Â That once would have bothered me and I would have totally redone the entire thing but not now.Â  I am resigned to the fact that finishing and flying is more important than show quality and perfection.





Bob Reed

PS:Â  I apologize to every builder whom I mentally criticized for some flaw or lack of finish detail that I have seen over the years.Â  I have now walked the mile in your shoes and have the blisters to prove it.

       From: Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)> To: kisbuilders <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>  Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Wing walk  

 A few thoughts:A removable mat like a pilates mat is very light and good protection however it makes for another step so is not "keeping it simple".Â  The same could be said for removable screw eyes for tie down lines.



I saw a Lancair once that had the wing walk material cut into the shape of shoe prints and placed in specific spots where a person would have to step.Â  That seemed anal to me and what if the person had a different size shoe or wore heels?



I would use a 16" wing walk material that's battleship gray instead of black or white since black overheats and white gets grayish shoe marks (see Galin's pics).Â  If they don't make it in wing walk material then paint with a grit mixture can be used.

Al



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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:25 am Post subject: Wing walk

What says you have to mount the DYNON GPS-2020 on the outside of the fuselage? I have had mine mounted under the glare shield inside the airplane since 2012 with no problem. REMEMBER you are flying inside a big fiberglass radome which is 100% transparent to RF signals.



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Al,



Totally agree with everything you said.Â  I hate the thought of putting something on the wing that disturbs the finish or the air flow.Â  I cringed at the thought that the Dynon GPS 2020 antenna needed to be mounted on the outside of the fuselage rather than on the inside.Â  I spent many hours and years trying to build the perfect airplane with the perfect finish but instead of finishing and flying that airplane I spent too many hours obsessing over things that were more cosmetic than functional.Â  As a result, it has cost me more time and money than IÂ could ever Â imagine and still it is not near perfectÂ nor will it ever be perfect.Â  My only goal now is to finish the plane and make it as safe as possible.Â  If the white wing walk turns gray from use then I will be happy as hell.Â  Right now, I can't look at the plane without seeing every single flaw but that's because I can't yet enjoy the ability to lift off the ground and fly.

I know that in the future others will look at the plane and be critical of the finish on the wings, the various flaws in the paint,Â or the amateur upholstery work.Â  The lower cowlingÂ has already and will continue to get some critical remarksÂ and I will be the first to say I don't like it but it solved a problem at the time.Â Â As it turns out, the problem (FADEC)Â has been discarded at a very high cost and would no longer require the solution but it is done and will remain until long after the first flight.Â  Â That once would have bothered me and I would have totally redone the entire thing but not now.Â  I am resigned to the fact that finishing and flying is more important than show quality and perfection.





Bob Reed

PS:Â  I apologize to every builder whom I mentally criticized for some flaw or lack of finish detail that I have seen over the years.Â  I have now walked the mile in your shoes and have the blisters to prove it.

       From: Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)> To: kisbuilders <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>  Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Wing walk  

 A few thoughts:A removable mat like a pilates mat is very light and good protection however it makes for another step so is not "keeping it simple".Â  The same could be said for removable screw eyes for tie down lines.



I saw a Lancair once that had the wing walk material cut into the shape of shoe prints and placed in specific spots where a person would have to step.Â  That seemed anal to me and what if the person had a different size shoe or wore heels?



I would use a 16" wing walk material that's battleship gray instead of black or white since black overheats and white gets grayish shoe marks (see Galin's pics).Â  If they don't make it in wing walk material then paint with a grit mixture can be used.

Al



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  A younger wife is the answer to many problems.  > On Aug 31, 2017, at 6:49 AM, OC <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote: > > gave

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