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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

I have the tinted canopy on my plane. I have no trouble with night  

flying in it. The tinting is not that dark, it's about like the  

windshield tint on most cars. It probably helps reduce the insolation  

during daylight but it still gets plenty hot in there with the canopy  

down and no shade.

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 What about the tinted canopies some people use on the XL's...?  Do  

 you think there'd be the same issue?  I'm debating this in the back  

 of my mind, now, for when the time comes...



 Thanks,



 Randy

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

Hi Randy,



I am afraid you suffer from a little misunderstanding.  Light Sport 

Aircraft can fly at night or IFR if properly equiped.  It is Sport 

Pilots or others limited to Sport Pilot privileges due to lack of a 

medical certificate that are limited to VFR day operations.



Paul

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At 01:14 PM 7/14/2006, you wrote:

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Randy,

     If you are building your XL in compliance with the Light Sport 

 Plane criteria, you cannot fly at night so a tinted canopy would be 

 the way to go. That's the way I am going but I don't think a tinted 

 canopy is going to keep the heat out as much as a shade so I plan 

 to have both.  I agree with the member who says it's better to use 

 the Van's sliding shade rather that the suction cup type for the 

 same reasons  he stated.



Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx

Building an XL

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

Hi Jim,



It seems you and the other guys are all correct about the night and 

IFR issue.  Apparently it all depends on what type of airworthiness 

certificate you have.  As a bunch of airplane builders, I think those 

of us who frequent this list are most likely to wind up with E-AB or 

E-LSA certificates.  In that case, the FAR equipment and 

certification requirements will rule.



If I remember it all correctly, for night flight a plane must have 

operating position lights and (at least according to one inspector I 

spoke to) anti-collision strobes.  For IFR, you need a reasonably 

full panel including some assortment of radio equipment and you need 

your pressure instrument system certified every two years.



I guess it makes sense that S-LSA airplanes would have a different 

set of rules.  It also seems to make sense that the POH is a medium 

for the manufacturer to limit his planes beyond the limits placed by 

the government.  I don't see what the manufacturer can do to you if 

you fly your properly equipped S-LSA plane at night except for 

possibly limiting his liability should you get squashed flat.  I 

don't think the FAA would enforce such limits that go beyond the FARs.



Best regards,



Paul

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At 03:26 PM 7/14/2006, you wrote:

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		  However, if a manufacturer wants to limit his SLSA aircraft's

legal performance envelope in any way to limit his post-production

liability, he can do so through the POH.  Let the buyer beware.  You should

not purchase an SLSA without first reading the POH from cover to cover. For

an ELSA, the POH, I believe, is produced by the builder, you, and it is up

to you what you put into the POH.



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jpellien

Joined: 24 Jun 2006
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Location: Basye, Virginia

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: Sun Shade

Paul,



Yes.  It all comes down to liability in case something goes wrong and the

lawyers get involved.



Jim



Jim Pellien

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Basye, VA

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

One consideration I have not seen mentioned in the debate about night  flight with a Rotax:  The FAA may or may not care, in an experimental  amateur built aircraft, whether Rotax gives you permission to fly at night with  their engine.  But it seems to me your insurance company might, in case you  care about such things.  I bend my airplane in an engine-out night landing  and I would expect the insurance company to point out to me that Rotax says no  night flight, and they (the insurance company) would say "tough luck".   Maybe this is not right.  Any thoughts?

  

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bryanmmartin

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: Sun Shade

It doesn't make any difference what Rotax says, what matters is what the insurance policy says. If you didn't change the configuration of the plane since the policy was written and the company didn't specifically exclude night flight in that configuration, they are bound by the terms of the contract. They may nit-pick the hell out of every detail of the policy, but they can't change it after the fact.

Remember, this advice is worth every penny you paid for it. 



On Jul 15, 2006, at 11:08 PM, Tebenkof(at)aol.com (Tebenkof(at)aol.com) wrote:

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		    One consideration I have not seen mentioned in the debate about night flight with a Rotax:  The FAA may or may not care, in an experimental amateur built aircraft, whether Rotax gives you permission to fly at night with their engine.  But it seems to me your insurance company might, in case you care about such things.  I bend my airplane in an engine-out night landing and I would expect the insurance company to point out to me that Rotax says no night flight, and they (the insurance company) would say "tough luck".  Maybe this is not right.  Any thoughts?

  

 Jim Greenough

	




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