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Barry Hancock
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 Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: Smoke systems/oil |
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On Jul 14, 2006, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
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According to him, the Phillips oil is designed
for American Radial Engines and will do more
harm than good to the East-Bloc engines.
His recommendation is the Aeroshell W100 Plus,
the closest oil to the specs of Housai, M14 series,
M462RF, etc. |
Well, let's start here. Can he explain to you why they would be good for American Radials and not good for the copies of American radials that the Russians make? LOL! Seriously, I have used 25/60 for over 800 hours combined on M14Ps and Housai's....I cannot sit here an claim lower oil burn, but I do know all the engines that I've flown consume about .6-.8 liters per hour in cruise flight. The biggest reason I use it is because I believe what Dennis has previously stated....better flow at lower temps reduces wear at start up....it's purely anecdotal to me at this point, I've certainly seen no evidence of it hurting anything. My question to him would be exactly what harm is caused by using the Phillips? Comments like that make me skeptical of one's true knowledge....and what else is that person shooting from the hip with that they truly don't understand.
Smoke. Bill Blackwell installed the system on my personal bird a year ago, and it puts out copious amounts of smoke. The important thing is the pressure....make sure to use a pump that will deliver at least 60 psi and adjust the flow valve and restrictors at the injectors to get the optimum burn....nozzle placement doesn't seem to make a lot of difference in Bill's experience.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: Smoke systems/oil |
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Barry,
thank you for yor contribution.
I have an ADC Oil-Filter installed and
the screen showed excessive debris
of brass/bronze after appr. 300 hours
of using the Phillips oil.
That indicates wear-out of bushings
(like in a con-rod) and it might be good
example for using the wrong oil.
My engine has an oil-preheater and
it gets pre-oiled before every flight. I
even might need a new engine and so
I likely believe now my AME (who worked
on those engines in the former East-Bloc)
and switch to some other oil.
cheers
Elmar
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pa3arw(at)euronet.nl
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: Smoke systems/oil |
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Humm…..”copies of American radials”……what a complete bullshit…..other than that: Shell W100 plus is the best there is….
Hans
Van: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] Namens Barry Hancock
Verzonden: zaterdag 15 juli 2006 19:25
Aan: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Smoke systems/oil
On Jul 14, 2006, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
According to him, the Phillips oil is designed
for American Radial Engines and will do more
harm than good to the East-Bloc engines.
His recommendation is the Aeroshell W100 Plus,
the closest oil to the specs of Housai, M14 series,
M462RF, etc.
Well, let's start here. Can he explain to you why they would be good for American Radials and not good for the copies of American radials that the Russians make? LOL! Seriously, I have used 25/60 for over 800 hours combined on M14Ps and Housai's....I cannot sit here an claim lower oil burn, but I do know all the engines that I've flown consume about .6-.8 liters per hour in cruise flight. The biggest reason I use it is because I believe what Dennis has previously stated....better flow at lower temps reduces wear at start up....it's purely anecdotal to me at this point, I've certainly seen no evidence of it hurting anything. My question to him would be exactly what harm is caused by using the Phillips? Comments like that make me skeptical of one's true knowledge....and what else is that person shooting from the hip with that they truly don't understand.
Smoke. Bill Blackwell installed the system on my personal bird a year ago, and it puts out copious amounts of smoke. The important thing is the pressure....make sure to use a pump that will deliver at least 60 psi and adjust the flow valve and restrictors at the injectors to get the optimum burn....nozzle placement doesn't seem to make a lot of difference in Bill's experience.
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Barry Hancock
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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Location: Chino, CA
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Smoke systems/oil |
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Hans, Hans, Hans....easy my friend.  That's what the "LOL" was for at the end of the sentence. The 985 and M14 line share similarities, but I actually prefer the Russian brewed engines myself....easy to maintain and bullet proof as engines can be. Adjust the valves on a 985 one time and you'll really have an appreciation for the M14/Housai!
Also, debating which oil is the best is like debating which (keeping the Russian theme here) Vodka is best...Aeroshell and Phillips have both proven to be reliable and safe oils.
Cheers,
Barry
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pa3arw(at)euronet.nl
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: Smoke systems/oil |
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Barry,
Typical me as the flying Dutchman and non-american....well half "non
american" ....appearantly I don't know what "lol" stands for. I
apologize...you know when I lived and worked in the US one of the biggest
problems or challenges, what ever you wanna call it...was to fight what I
call the "non invented here syndrome"...I recognized a bit of that which
made react as I did....
just as an engine should be...
As for the oil...I don't think nowadays there is no such thing anymore as a
good or bad oil...just the right oil for the right application.
Keep flying safe Barry!
Hans
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] Namens barry
Verzonden: zondag 16 juli 2006 0:43
Aan: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Smoke systems/oil
Hans, Hans, Hans....easy my friend. [Shocked] That's what the "LOL" was for
at the end of the sentence. The 985 and M14 line share similarities, but I
actually prefer the Russian brewed engines myself....easy to maintain and
bullet proof as engines can be. Adjust the valves on a 985 one time and
you'll really have an appreciation for the M14/Housai!
Also, debating which oil is the best is like debating which (keeping the
Russian theme here) Vodka is best...Aeroshell and Phillips have both proven
to be reliable and safe oils.
Cheers,
Barry
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Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
www.cj6.com
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