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				 Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:05 pm    Post subject: suppression diodes | 
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				on a similar subject to recent discussion, why don’t we use a suppression device across the load of the starter contactor (i.e. the motor) to prevent arcing at the contactor contacts?
 
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		nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:25 am    Post subject: suppression diodes | 
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				At 02:04 PM 1/19/2018, you wrote:
   	  | Quote: | 	 		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com>
 
  on a similar subject to recent discussion, why don’t we use a suppression device across the load of the starter contactor (i.e. the motor) to prevent arcing at the contactor contacts? | 	  
    Excellent question!
 
    Shucks, starters draw a lot of current. If one
    just 'tapped' the starter button and hit the
    contactor with the starter's 500-1000A inrush, doesn't
    that 'charge' the starter's inductance to astronomical
    heights?
 
    You betcha . . .
 
    Let's consider a turbine starter motor with a dc
    resistance of say 0.015 ohms. Let us presume
    further that the loop resistance for wiring,
    battery contactor, starter contactor and battery
    is also on the order 0.010 ohms.
 
    When the contactor closes, we have 25v/0.025-ohms
    or 1000 amps of inrush current. Terminal voltage
    on starter drops to 15v.
 
    Energy stored on an inductor is Joules(Watt-Seconds)=Inductance
   (Henries) x I(Amps)squared/2
 
    Needless to say, 1000 squared is a pretty big
    number. If the starter contactor bounces during the
    first few milliseconds of the spin-up, the potential
    for arcing is considerable, but the air gap during
    a bounce is tiny; the discontinuity interval is short.
    Heat energy developed is relatively low and within the
    operating limits for dime-sized contacts. Any transient
    excursions for field collapse are impressed across the
    contact gap and do not propagate out onto the bus.
 
    Once the bouncing has subsided and the motor spins
    up, current draw falls dramatically. Here's a plot
    I found in some document out at Beech about a bazillion
    years ago:  https://goo.gl/4cL4ff 
 
    It's the voltage-current vs. time plot of a cranking
    event on a turbine engine . . . more specifically,
    a B400 Beechjet. Turbine cranking curves are interesting
    because the engine takes so long to spin up . . . it
    doesn't get to the 'light off' rpm for 15-20 second!
    We can readily see that starter current at light-off
    has fallen to under 300 amps, about 30% of inrush.
 
    At 300 amps across the motor's 0.015 ohms, we can
    see that the motor is actually RUNNING on Volts=
    300A x 0.015Ohms or about 4.5 volts. At this time,
    voltage applied to the motor is 18-19 volts.
    This means that the motor's COUNTER EMF or CEMF
    is 18-4.5 or about 13.5 volts. 
 
    If the battery contactor opens at this point, the
    initial arc striking voltage is 4.5 volts and the
    current is 300A. A much lower value than the numbers
    during inrush. At 300A, stored energy on the starter's
    inductance is about 10% of that experienced during
    the inrush event.
 
    As it turns out, it's quite easy to build contactors
    that are tailored to withstand the inrush event.
    See https://goo.gl/RGGhgG 
 
    The flimsy looking flat moving contact has
    very low area, high force interface with the
    stationary contacts. i.e. HIGH PRESSURE
 
    Further, its mass is low and spring rates are
    low to minimize bounce. The intermittent duty,
    high force solenoid offers strong reduction
    of contact erosion during the starter inrush
    interval . . . similarly, the light mass of the
    moving contact assembly offers rapid acceleration
    and good contact spreading velocities at de-energization.
    
    The design has TWO contact in series which means that
    during the opening sequence, contact spreading velocity
    is essentially doubled.
 
    This design minimizes potential arc damage to the
    contacts as the magnetic field in the motor
    collapses. Again, the energy is expended in the contact
    gaps and does not propagate out onto the bus.
 
    This last fact was not well understood by many in
    the vehicular DC power system world . . . it seemed
    only natural that this energy intensive event at
    the starter motor would produce massive 'spikes'
    potentially deleterious to vulnerable electronics
    in the vehicle . . . it has been proven not to
    be so. It turns out that ALL known and anticipated
    perturbations on the ship's bus for ALL operating
    conditions are well inside the legacy testing
    limits for aircraft hardware as described in DO-160.
 
    See https://goo.gl/6gSsSL 
 
    Hence, the starter motor is not the big bear in the
    woods that legacy hangar lore would have us believe.
    It IS a high energy even easily managed by the starter
    contactor design and not a threat to the rest of the system.
    So if an avionics tech says you've got a $1000 repair
    bill on an in-warranty radio because a 'spike got it',
    you need to talk to his/her supervisor. 
 
    
 
  
  
    Bob . . .
 
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