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r.vogel(at)ggs.ch
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:39 pm Post subject: Old / new tailwheel

Hello everybody



My Europa Classic, finished one year ago, has still the original tailwheel.

After 30 hours test flights I am thinking about replacing the “old” 

tailwheel with the XS type.

But I cant find any problems with steering for example. My question to 

somebody with experience

on both types of wheels: "Is it worth the great effort for this 

modification?"

But there is an other problem with big bouncing on uneven grass runways. 

A very strong rebound

is resulting in strong bouncing with force me for a go around mostly.

There is the red rubber block and old shock absorber. Does somebody have 

got any

experience and a solution about this problem.

I think this is not in connection with the classic tail wheel?



Regards, Ruedi Vogel, HB-YJF

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JonathanMilbank

Joined: 14 Apr 2012
Posts: 397
Location: Aberdeen area

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:14 am Post subject: Re: Old / new tailwheel

Hello Ruedi,



My experience of Europa tail wheels is many hundreds of hours with the original type and about 25 - 30 with the XS type. My preference is for the original connected directly to the rudder pedals with no springy links, so there is immediate response to any movement of the pedals. I didn't enjoy the slight lag/delay in directional control when flying a friend's Europa with the XS tail wheel, because it made me feel insecure and less in control. But perhaps if I had continued with his XS for many more hours, then eventually I would have gained confidence with it.



My Classic Europa had the red block shock absorber with hydraulic dampers and seemed to work well without much bouncing, if I made sure to land it with both main wheel and tail wheel contacting the ground at the same time. In fact I would try to have the stick completely rearwards at the moment of landing and maybe the tail wheel touched the ground first. But if the main wheel touched the ground first, then there was usually a bounce. This bounce almost never forced me to go around.

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tennant

Joined: 19 Apr 2011
Posts: 121

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:07 am Post subject: Re: Old / new tailwheel

Hi Ruedi,



Get rid of the old tail wheel. I did about 100 hrs on it and was scared of it. The later wheel is much better. I find the spring action perfect on take off as there is nearly no transition from ground to air.

As to landing, I am told by passengers that I land with the tail wheel first, I never notice because I am concentrating on keeping it straight. If you do that there is no bounce!

If you fit the new tail wheel see recent posts about mounting it.



Barry

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:47 am Post subject: Old / new tailwheel

Hi Ruedi

One more thing, Don’t get rid of the pushrod that moves the rudder. Connecting the rudder cables directly to the rudder puts too much load on the rudder hinges

And the flange. Europa did take over my mod for this, the tailwheel is driven by cables from a bracket bolted to the bulkhead.

It is possible to use the existing crank driving the old Classic tailwheel but using the mod will save weight.

Graham



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		   On 22 Oct 2018, at 13:07, tennant <barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi Ruedi,

 

 Get rid of the old tail wheel. I did about 100 hrs on it and was scared of it. The later wheel is much better. I find the spring action perfect on take off as there is nearly no transition from ground to air.

 As to landing, I am told by passengers that I land with the tail wheel first, I never notice because I am concentrating on keeping it straight. If you do that there is no bounce!

 If you fit the new tail wheel see recent posts about mounting it.

 

 Barry

 

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 Barry Tennant

 D-EHBT

 At EDLM  -  Germany

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

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r.vogel(at)ggs.ch
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 am Post subject: Old / new tailwheel

Hi

              

Many thanks to         Graham, Barry, Jonathan and Andreas for the good advises!       Now I have decided       to rid the old tail wheel. I will keep the old

       wheel bearing block with       a modified steering arm. That's the way I can use

       the push road and       the cables without modification. Is a bit heavier as the

       solution according       to Mode 77. But I have had 3.7kg lead in the back as W/B

       compensation before.       

       

       Best regards

       

       Ruedi Vogel, HB-YJF

       

       

       

       Am 22.10.2018 um 16:41 schrieb Gaham Singleton:

     

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Hi Ruedi

One more thing, Don’t get rid of the pushrod that moves the rudder. Connecting the rudder cables directly to the rudder puts too much load on the rudder hinges

And the flange. Europa did take over my mod for this, the tailwheel is driven by cables from a bracket bolted to the bulkhead.

It is possible to use the existing crank driving the old Classic tailwheel but using the mod will save weight.

Graham



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		  On 22 Oct 2018, at 13:07, tennant <barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com> (barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com) wrote:



--> Europa-List message posted by: "tennant" <barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com> (barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com)



Hi Ruedi,



Get rid of the old tail wheel. I did about 100 hrs on it and was scared of it. The later wheel is much better. I find the spring action perfect on take off as there is nearly no transition from ground to air.

As to landing, I am told by passengers that I land with the tail wheel first, I never notice because I am concentrating on keeping it straight. If you do that there is no bounce!

If you fit the new tail wheel see recent posts about mounting it.



Barry



--------

Barry Tennant

D-EHBT

At EDLM  -  Germany





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483925#483925



	
       



	
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Ruedi Vogel

Wiesenweg 6

CH-3380 Wangen a.A.

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:11 am Post subject: Old / new tailwheel

I did it that way first. Worked well. You might need a wider crank on the new tail wheel. As you slow down through 20 knots you lose rudder control, no prop draft, so tail wheel steering has to take over. 



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On 28 Oct 2018, at 17:00, Ruedi Vogel <r.vogel(at)ggs.ch (r.vogel(at)ggs.ch)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		                            

Hi

              

Many thanks to         Graham, Barry, Jonathan and Andreas for the good advises!       Now I have decided       to rid the old tail wheel. I will keep the old

       wheel bearing block with       a modified steering arm. That's the way I can use

       the push road and       the cables without modification. Is a bit heavier as the

       solution according       to Mode 77. But I have had 3.7kg lead in the back as W/B

       compensation before.       

       

       Best regards

       

       Ruedi Vogel, HB-YJF

       

       

       

       Am 22.10.2018 um 16:41 schrieb Gaham Singleton:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		          	  Quote: 	
		  --> Europa-List message posted by: Gaham Singleton <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)



Hi Ruedi

One more thing, Don’t get rid of the pushrod that moves the rudder. Connecting the rudder cables directly to the rudder puts too much load on the rudder hinges

And the flange. Europa did take over my mod for this, the tailwheel is driven by cables from a bracket bolted to the bulkhead.

It is possible to use the existing crank driving the old Classic tailwheel but using the mod will save weight.

Graham



          	  Quote: 	
		  On 22 Oct 2018, at 13:07, tennant <barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com> (barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com) wrote:



--> Europa-List message posted by: "tennant" <barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com> (barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com)



Hi Ruedi,



Get rid of the old tail wheel. I did about 100 hrs on it and was scared of it. The later wheel is much better. I find the spring action perfect on take off as there is nearly no transition from ground to air.

As to landing, I am told by passengers that I land with the tail wheel first, I never notice because I am concentrating on keeping it straight. If you do that there is no bounce!

If you fit the new tail wheel see recent posts about mounting it.



Barry



--------

Barry Tennant

D-EHBT

At EDLM  -  Germany





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483925#483925



	
       



	
     -- 



Ruedi Vogel

Wiesenweg 6

CH-3380 Wangen a.A.

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