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		milreed(at)directcon.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: GPS | 
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				Please advise what GPS I should buy to use here on  the ranch 
  [url=]http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/[/url]
  on the ground as well as later in my 701 when I get it built? How do you  correlate Latitude and Longitude with township and range ? 
  Mil Reed
 
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		jpellien
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject: GPS | 
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				Milburn,  
    
 396 with weather overlay  $2495.  Can buy a cradle for it in your airplane and another for your car.  Plop it into your aircraft to see aviation information (moving map), as well as weather conditions via satellite,…you can also see the locations of other nearby aircraft, just like what the controllers see,  for all aircraft that are using a transponder, provided you also have the GTX-330 Transponder with Traffic Information Service (TIS).  
    
 Then take the 396 out of the aircraft after your flight and put it into the automobile cradle and see a moving map of roadways, interstates, restaurant locations and stores.  
    
 There are many less capable GPS systems from Garmin starting at about $400.  Just do a google search on “Aviation GPS” and have fund learning about all of the new GPS offerings.  The 396 is probably the best price/performance Portable GPS on the market as I speak.  
    
 Jim  
        
 Jim Pellien  
 Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes  
 Sky Bryce Airport (VG18)  
 Basye, VA  
 www.MASPL.com  
 703-313-4818  
   
   
          
   
 From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Milburn Reed
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:08 PM
  To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
  Subject: GPS  
   
      
 Please advise what GPS I should buy to use here on the ranch   
     
 http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/  
     
 on the ground as well as later in my 701 when I get it built? How do you correlate Latitude and Longitude with township and range ?   
     
 Mil Reed
 
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		frank.hinde(at)hp.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:19 am    Post subject: GPS | 
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				And then come back to your car to fin the windows smashed  and your 396 GONE!...Assuming you forgot and left it in your car of  course... 
   
  Frank
   
  Do not archive
 
    From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim  Pellien
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 6:59 PM
 To:  zenith-list(at)matronics.com
 Subject: RE: Zenith-List:  GPS
  
   
 Milburn, 
   
 396 with weather  overlay  $2495.  Can buy a cradle for it in your airplane and another  for your car.  Plop it into your aircraft to see aviation information  (moving map), as well as weather conditions via satellite,…you can also see the  locations of other nearby aircraft, just like what the controllers see,   for all aircraft that are using a transponder, provided you also have the  GTX-330 Transponder with Traffic Information Service  (TIS). 
   
 Then take the 396 out  of the aircraft after your flight and put it into the automobile cradle and see  a moving map of roadways, interstates, restaurant locations and  stores. 
   
 There are many less  capable GPS systems from Garmin starting at about $400.  Just do a google  search on “Aviation GPS” and have fund learning about all of the new GPS  offerings.  The 396 is probably the best price/performance Portable GPS on  the market as I speak. 
   
 Jim 
     
 Jim  Pellien 
 Mid-Atlantic  Sports Planes 
 Sky Bryce Airport (VG18) 
 Basye, VA 
 www.MASPL.com 
 703-313-4818
 
  
      
  
 From:  owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Milburn Reed
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:08  PM
 To:  zenith-list(at)matronics.com
 Subject: Zenith-List:  GPS
  
    
 Please advise what GPS I should buy  to use here on the ranch 
   
 http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/
   
 on the ground as well as later in my  701 when I get it built? How do you correlate Latitude and Longitude with  township and range ? 
   
 Mil  Reed
 
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		bjohnson(at)satx.rr.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:58 am    Post subject: GPS | 
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				That transponder is almost FOUR GRAND!!!!  
            
   
 From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pellien
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:59 PM
  To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
  Subject: RE: GPS  
   
    
 Milburn,  
    
 396 with weather overlay  $2495.  Can buy a cradle for it in your airplane and another for your car.  Plop it into your aircraft to see aviation information (moving map), as well as weather conditions via satellite,…you can also see the locations of other nearby aircraft, just like what the controllers see,  for all aircraft that are using a transponder, provided you also have the GTX-330 Transponder with Traffic Information Service (TIS).  
    
 Then take the 396 out of the aircraft after your flight and put it into the automobile cradle and see a moving map of roadways, interstates, restaurant locations and stores.  
    
 There are many less capable GPS systems from Garmin starting at about $400.  Just do a google search on “Aviation GPS” and have fund learning about all of the new GPS offerings.  The 396 is probably the best price/performance Portable GPS on the market as I speak.  
    
 Jim  
        
 Jim Pellien  
 Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes  
 Sky Bryce Airport (VG18)  
 Basye, VA  
 www.MASPL.com  
 703-313-4818  
   
   
          
   
 From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Milburn Reed
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:08 PM
  To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
  Subject: GPS  
   
      
 Please advise what GPS I should buy to use here on the ranch   
     
 http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/  
     
 on the ground as well as later in my 701 when I get it built? How do you correlate Latitude and Longitude with township and range ?   
     
 Mil Reed
 
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		jpellien
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:18 pm    Post subject: GPS | 
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				Yes, that is correct. A little under $4000 for the Garmin GTX 330.   Do you know of a less expensive way to get transponder operating air traffic info into the cockpit and displayed on a moving map?  I’d like to hear about it, if there is a better, cheaper alternative.    
    
 Jim  
        
 Jim Pellien  
 Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes  
 Sky Bryce Airport (VG18)  
 Basye, VA  
 www.MASPL.com  
 703-313-4818  
   
   
          
   
 From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Johnson
  Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:57 AM
  To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
  Subject: RE: GPS  
   
    
 That transponder is almost FOUR GRAND!!!!  
            
   
 From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pellien
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:59 PM
  To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
  Subject: RE: GPS  
   
    
 Milburn,  
    
 396 with weather overlay  $2495.  Can buy a cradle for it in your airplane and another for your car.  Plop it into your aircraft to see aviation information (moving map), as well as weather conditions via satellite,…you can also see the locations of other nearby aircraft, just like what the controllers see,  for all aircraft that are using a transponder, provided you also have the GTX-330 Transponder with Traffic Information Service (TIS).  
    
 Then take the 396 out of the aircraft after your flight and put it into the automobile cradle and see a moving map of roadways, interstates, restaurant locations and stores.  
    
 There are many less capable GPS systems from Garmin starting at about $400.  Just do a google search on “Aviation GPS” and have fund learning about all of the new GPS offerings.  The 396 is probably the best price/performance Portable GPS on the market as I speak.  
    
 Jim  
        
 Jim Pellien  
 Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes  
 Sky Bryce Airport (VG18)  
 Basye, VA  
 www.MASPL.com  
 703-313-4818  
   
   
          
   
 From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Milburn Reed
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:08 PM
  To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
  Subject: GPS  
   
      
 Please advise what GPS I should buy to use here on the ranch   
     
 http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/  
     
 on the ground as well as later in my 701 when I get it built? How do you correlate Latitude and Longitude with township and range ?   
     
 Mil Reed
 
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		p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: GPS | 
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				Hi Jim,
 
  I am sure you are right that the Garmin equipment is very good if the buyer wants all that fancy stuff.  On the other hand, I believe the original question was about GPS.  
 
  You can get a quite functional GPS for under $500 if that is what you want.  I bought a Lowrance Airmap 500 about a year ago on special for a little over $300.  It is a quite functional aviation GPS.  It has a small black and white screen and doesn't do any of the really fancy stuff like displaying  terrain, satellite weather, or radar transponder stuff.  On the other hand It knows where all the airports are and can easily help any pilot stay oriented and on the proper path to his destination.  It is a very sophisticated navigation device that anyone would have killed for 20 years ago.  Now it is just entry level electronic wizardry.
 
  I am sure there are many choices in between these extremes.  I bought the Airmap 500 since it was inexpensive and I wanted to learn how to use a GPS.  I had read articles pointing out that many pilots couldn't figure out how to operate these gizmos.  After months of using it in my car I can understand why it takes a considerable amount of practice and not a few mistakes to get this technology to work for you.  If you only have one (with all the extra bells and whistles) in a rental plane to play with then I can imagine you will never get it figured out.
 
  I will probably buy a larger GPS with a color screen to go in my plane when it is at that stage.  For now, the low end unit is just fine for me.  Another possibility is I will buy an EFIS system with built in GPS.  I hope the experience I had with the low end unit will make learning the more sophisticated equipment easier.
 
  Paul
  XL fuselage
 
  At 05:15 PM 7/18/2006, you wrote:
 
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		milreed(at)directcon.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:48 am    Post subject: GPS | 
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				Thank you [url=mailto:p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net------]p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net (p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net)------[/url] good  advise to us po fok building a ch 701----- I can use that low cost unit (have  seen on sale for 299 and a Garmin already),until I sell a 160 acre parcel, then  will probably need something else (bigger tractor?)
  Milburn Reed  
  http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/ 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: GPS | 
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				Hello Milburn,
 
 I think that more important that getting a GPS (and learning all his "goodies") is to learn to navigate with the charts (the old way)  this needs a little study from your old private pilot school books     and lots of practice (is also fun)  my last cross country was planned and I used the  compas, windows (not the computer one  , chart, plotter rule, computer rule, watch and pencil...   Was lots of fun, 
 
 Even flying over known  area,  is easy to get lost, not that you dont know where you are, BUT to find your actual position with accuracy in the chart   
 
 Fly for fun and practice the basics,  the GPS is a very good backup instrument...
 
 Sorry, forgot firstto look at the satelite weather page at home before any flight,  dont fly in marginal weather.  Too risky to smash that expensive GPS  
 
 Saludos
 Gary Gower.
 Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
 701  912S.
 Building a 601 XL.
 
 Milburn Reed <milreed(at)directcon.net> wrote: 	  | Quote: | 	 		         Thank you  (p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net)p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net ([email]p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net------[/email]) ([email]p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net------[/email]) ([email]p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net------[/email])------ good  advise to us po fok building a ch 701----- I can use that low cost unit (have  seen on sale for 299 and a Garmin already),until I sell a 160 acre parcel, then  will probably need something  else (bigger tractor?)
  Milburn Reed  
  http://www.directcon.net/reedranch/ 
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		Larry Martin
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: GPS | 
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				Why dig with a shovel, when you got  a backhoe?  Do not archive, Larry
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				 Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: GPS | 
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				When the backhoe busts a hydraulic line and the  sh*t is overflowing into your basement,  you best know how to use the  shovel.....
   
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				 Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:16 am    Post subject: GPS | 
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				Larry wrote:
 [quote] *Why dig with a shovel, when you got a backhoe?  Do not archive, Larry*
 
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