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Ray.Stevenson(at)t-mobile
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:19 am Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

We have a Europa 914 turbo and are experiencing intermittent high boosts. So far we have pointed the finger at the wastegate failing to open and close properly. Could this be the  only way this problem could occur? We have checked that the servo motor is functioning correctly and also checked all the wiring joints to it. Has anyone else had similar problems? If so we would welcome any suggestions. - Ray

jodel(at)nildram.co.uk
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:42 am Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

Someone recently suggested MouseMilk oil (available from LAS) as a  cure.

  

 Simon

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lgds(at)post6.tele.dk
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:08 am Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

Check your bowden-cable between TCU/Wastegate.....Special attention arround exhaust-area.

Have had the same problem and that was caused to a hot-spot on the backside of the bowden where it was routet to close to echaust#3.

regards Gert

#151  /  OY-GDS 



Den 26/07/2006 kl. 10.41 skrev Simon Smith:

[quote]Someone recently suggested MouseMilk oil (available from LAS) as a cure.

 

Simon

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lgds(at)post6.tele.dk
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:33 am Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

Correction  -  the cable is of-course between waste-gate and servo-unit.....   :-)Gert



Den 26/07/2006 kl. 11.07 skrev Gert Dalgaard:

[quote]Check your bowden-cable between TCU/Wastegate.....Special attention arround exhaust-area.

Have had the same problem and that was caused to a hot-spot on the backside of the bowden where it was routet to close to echaust#3.

regards Gert

#151  /  OY-GDS 



Den 26/07/2006 kl. 10.41 skrev Simon Smith:

[quote]Someone recently suggested MouseMilk oil (available from LAS) as a cure.

 

Simon

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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:27 am Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

Ray,

  

 With 99% probability your wastegate is stuck.   Take your cowlings off and observe the action of the lever arm on the wastegate  when you turn on your master switch.  The lever should go through a full  cycle of full on, to full off.  I'm guessing you'll see the TCU cable  moving, but not the lever arm on the wastegate.  Spray some "Blaster" all  over the wastegate arm and let it soak in.  This should free up the stuck  lever arm.

  

 Garry Stout

 914,  450 hours

  

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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

Garry, What's Blaster? Could be my wastegate could do with something of the

sort!

Regards, David Joyce

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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

David,



Blaster is a product sold in the US in all of the auto parts stores.  It 

comes in an aerosol spray can and is used to unstick any metal parts that 

have rusted together or otherwise become "as one".  Some might call it a 

"penetrant", and I can't tell you the ingredients because they're not listed 

on the side of the can.  Don't bother with "mouse milk".  I've tried it and 

it doesn't work.  The only thing I've found that works reliably to unstick 

my wastegate is Blaster.



Best wishes,



Garry Stout



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BEBERRY(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

In a message dated 27/07/2006 00:30:31 GMT Daylight Time,  garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com writes:

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		  Blaster    is a product sold in the US in all of the auto parts  stores 	


 

  

  

 Blaster is a penetrating oil similar or even identical, I believe , to WD40  as commonly used everywhere in u.k.  It works for me.

  

 Patrick

Ivor Phillips

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 253
Location: London UK

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:44 pm Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

A good Carburetor cleaner STP/Wynns/Holts will do the trick



Ivor





David,



Blaster is a product sold in the US in all of the auto parts stores.  It 

comes in an aerosol spray can and is used to unstick any metal parts that 

have rusted together or otherwise become "as one".  Some might call it a 

"penetrant", and I can't tell you the ingredients because they're not listed



on the side of the can.  Don't bother with "mouse milk".  I've tried it and 

it doesn't work.  The only thing I've found that works reliably to unstick 

my wastegate is Blaster.



Best wishes,



Garry Stout



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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:30 am Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

Thanks for that. David



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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:30 am Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

Thanks, Ivor.  David

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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:57 am Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

Blaster is "similar", but not the same.  I've tried WD40 with no  results.

  

 Garry Stout

  

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rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.n
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:05 am Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

For what it is worth, I sprayed the following on a piece of aluminium

heated by my blowtorch and cooked it to see if there was any residue left

behind.



First I tried Kano Labs Kroil and Mouse Milk, nothing left behind.



Tried Kano Labs Sili-Kroil, just Kroil with Silicon, nothing.



Tried Blaster, that is thicker, feels like it has an oil in it and I

thought would leave behind a residue, nothing. I cooked at least 6

spraying of Blaster.



Ron Parigoris

rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.n
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

Read on what Rotax has to say:



SI-914-003  Checking And Lubrication Of The Wastegate  6/1999  167  

 Under certain conditions, when operating using leaded fuels (AVGAS), lead

deposits may form on the turbo wastegate pivot shaft. These lead deposits

may cause the wastegate to stick and prevent proper turbocharger

operation.  



Go here:

http://www.rotax-owner.com/sdocs.htm

Click "By Engine Model"

Select 914UL

Search

Look under service instructions and read SI-914-003



In essence it says to use a penetrant, but if that does not work, to open

up turbo and go after the shaft from the inside. good luck not breaking

any hardware.



All would be well advised to read and print "ALL" Alert Service Bulletins,

Service Bulletins, Service Instructions and Service Letters that apply to

you and your engine.



Then update and make notes in your manuals as you comply.



Of course you have all manuals??



If not go to:

http://www.kodiakbs.com/

Click Tech Info

Click Maintenance Manual



You also want a install manual and 

http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/aircraft/aircraft.nsf/index?Openpage

Click Documentation



Get a Install Manual and Operators Manual

Monitoring Program

Parts Catalogue



Ron Parigoris

mikenjulie.parkin(at)btop
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

A more active penetrating oil which is available in the UK si 'PLUS  GAS'.  Used in many workshops this is the best penetrating oil I have ever  come across.  It is brilliant for freeing seized/rusted nuts and  bolts.

  

 Squirt the offending item with Plus Gas leave overnight, if it does not  shift then it probably never will.

  

 regards,

  

 Mike.

  

 Do not archive.

  

  

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riddon(at)sent.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

A product I have used with great success on my boat is Boeshield T9  It’s like WD40 with added wax which is left behind after the carrier has evaporated.  Fantastic for lubricating and rust prevention.  It was developed by Boeing for aeroplanes but I haven’t managed to find any close to home. Still looking.  

   

   

Richard Iddon G-RIXS   

   

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 From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin

 Sent: 27 July 2006 21:32

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!  

     

A more active penetrating oil which is available in the UK si 'PLUS GAS'.  Used in many workshops this is the best penetrating oil I have ever come across.  It is brilliant for freeing seized/rusted nuts and bolts.  

    

   

    

Squirt the offending item with Plus Gas leave overnight, if it does not shift then it probably never will.  

    

   

    

regards,  

    

   

    

Mike.  

    

   

    

Do not archive.  

    

   

    

   

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From: Garry (garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com)   

    

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)   

    

Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 1:53 PM  

    

Subject: Re: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!  

    

   

    

Blaster is "similar", but not the same.  I've tried WD40 with no results.  

    

   

    

Garry Stout  

    

   

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Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:24 AM  

    

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In a message dated 27/07/2006 00:30:31 GMT Daylight Time, garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com (garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com) writes:  

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Blaster is a product sold in the US in all of the auto parts stores  	
  

    

   

    

   

    

Blaster is a penetrating oil similar or even identical, I believe , to WD40 as commonly used everywhere in u.k.  It works for me.  

    

   

    

Patrick  

  	
      

  

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BEBERRY(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

In a message dated 27/07/2006 21:37:48 GMT Daylight Time,  mikenjulie.parkin(at)btopenworld.com writes:

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		     A more active penetrating oil which is available in the UK si 'PLUS    GAS'.  Used in many workshops this is the best penetrating oil I have    ever come across.  It is brilliant for freeing seized/rusted nuts and    bolts.

    

   Squirt the offending item with Plus Gas leave overnight, if it does not    shift then it probably never will.

    

   regards,

    

   Mike.

	


 

 Agreed. Despite my previous note abut WD40, I have used plus gas on  occasion and it is great.

  

 Patrick

BEBERRY(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

In a message dated 27/07/2006 22:03:27 GMT Daylight Time, riddon(at)sent.com  writes:

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A product I have used    with great success on my boat is Boeshield T9  Itâ€™s like    WD40 with added wax which is left behind after the carrier has    evaporated.  Fantastic for lubricating and rust prevention.  It was developed by Boeing for    aeroplanes but I havenâ€™t managed to find any close to home. Still looking.   

  	


 

 That sounds good Richard.  Let us know When you find a source.

  

  

 Patrick

riddon(at)sent.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!

Tech data and the nearest supplier I can find to the UK is Boeshield Europe. Web site at http://www.boeshield.nl/engels/boeshieldnlframe.htm  

   

   

Richard.   

   

-----Original Message-----

 From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BEBERRY(at)aol.com

 Sent: 27 July 2006 22:13

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Turbo problems 914 - Help!!  

       

In a message dated 27/07/2006 22:03:27 GMT Daylight Time, riddon(at)sent.com writes:  

   	  Quote: 	
		    

A product I have used with great success on my boat is Boeshield T9  It’s like WD40 with added wax which is left behind after the carrier has evaporated.  Fantastic for lubricating and rust prevention.  It was developed by Boeing for aeroplanes but I haven’t managed to find any close to home. Still looking.  

   	
  

    

That sounds good Richard.  Let us know When you find a source.  

    

   

    

   

    

Patrick

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