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shempdowling2(at)earthlin
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: Flying to Canada from US (and back)

Im planning on making my first international leg with my rv this wknd.  I 

checked out aopa's site and was surprised to find I needed a stinkin' radio 

operators permit for me and the plane.  155 bucks down the drain.  Then 

another 25 for a customs decal.  Add the fee for air traffic control, which 

I dont know how it will be charged, and its costing a lot more than I 

thought.  Oh well, Ive heard the fishing is ok.



Any suggestions from anyone familiar with this type of flying?  Im planning 

on landing in Ontario at Dryden and plan to call customs 24 hours in 

advance.  No idea where to clear in MN yet.



Shemp/Jeff Dowling

RV-6A, N915JD

295 hours

Chicago/Louisville



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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: Flying to Canada from US (and back)

Since you are near us in Chicago, you should join the Ohio Valley

Rvators. We have more than 50 RV's flying, weekend get togethers, have a

great formation team, and yearly clinic. We now have over 400 members

and growing. Rick Gray runs the group and a bunch of them have made this

trip several times and should be able to help you with what exactly you

do and do not need. Takes just a few minutes to join, great group of

guys and great resources for international travel.

Hope this helps.

Dan

40269 (N289DT)  



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khorton01(at)rogers.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: Flying to Canada from US (and back)

I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever  

asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the  

aircraft.  They are much more worried about what type of food you  

might have along, drugs, alcohol, guns, etc.  Don't waste your time  

or money on the radio permits.



Kevin Horton

Ottawa, Canada



On 10 Aug 2006, at 14:34, Jeff Dowling wrote:



[quote] 

 <shempdowling2(at)earthlink.net>



 Im planning on making my first international leg with my rv this  

 wknd.  I checked out aopa's site and was surprised to find I needed  

 a stinkin' radio operators permit for me and the plane.  155 bucks  

 down the drain.  Then another 25 for a customs decal.  Add the fee  

 for air traffic control, which I dont know how it will be charged,  

 and its costing a lot more than I thought.  Oh well, Ive heard the  

 fishing is ok.



 Any suggestions from anyone familiar with this type of flying?  Im  

 planning on landing in Ontario at Dryden and plan to call customs  

 24 hours in advance.  No idea where to clear in MN yet.



 Shemp/Jeff Dowling

 RV-6A, N915JD

 295 hours

 Chicago/Louisville



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randy(at)romeolima.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: Flying to Canada from US (and back)

I've been across the border a few times and like Kevin, was never asked for 

it. Our chapter has a good guide to flying to Canada although some of the 

data applies to us out west...

http://www.edt.com/homewing/international/index.html



Randy Lervold

www.rv-3.com



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dan(at)rvproject.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: Flying to Canada from US (and back)

Jeff,



Same here as Kevin...haven't been asked for my radio station license or 

restricted radiotelephone operator's permit (only flew to Canada once, 

Mexico several times).  But I do have 'em to be "safe."



Something you DO need to carry is a "Standardised Validation of a Special 

Airworthiness Certificate-Experimental" aboard your U.S. built homebuilt 

airplane.  Doesn't need to be signed or anything, just print it out and 

carry it with your aircraft docs.  See the bottom of this page:



http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/sfa/



..and here's a direct link:



http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/sfa/media/tcauth.pdf



Gotta love how easy it is flying to Canada!  I hope to fly to BC one of 

these years.



)_( Dan

RV-7 N714D (1030 hours)

http://www.rvproject.com



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capsteve

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 111
Location: NIAGARA FALLS NY

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: Flying to Canada from US (and back)

I fly between Niagara falls and Toronto and can tell you I've also never had

to show anyone a radio license. The Canadian immigration are great to deal

with. I simply arrive at a port of entry, then from the fbo call customs and

they will ask questions and possibly visit you if they feel the need. The

problem is coming home. Once I was threatened with incarceration for opening

the aircraft canopy before the customs agent said it was ok.....plus he was

already pissed for me being 10 minutes early. I think Part of my punishment

was to sit and bake in the sun...but don’t despair, my marine experience has

been exactly the same. So I know they're not singling out flyboys and

flygirls. 

Steve d

40205

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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:04 am Post subject: Flying to Canada from US (and back)

I got a ticket coming home for being about 15 min early,  my port of 

entry which was Friday Harbour.



Jerry

do not archive



Steven DiNieri wrote:



[quote]



I fly between Niagara falls and Toronto and can tell you I've also never had

to show anyone a radio license. The Canadian immigration are great to deal

with. I simply arrive at a port of entry, then from the fbo call customs and

they will ask questions and possibly visit you if they feel the need. The

problem is coming home. Once I was threatened with incarceration for opening

the aircraft canopy before the customs agent said it was ok.....plus he was

already pissed for me being 10 minutes early. I think Part of my punishment

was to sit and bake in the sun...but don’t despair, my marine experience has

been exactly the same. So I know they're not singling out flyboys and

flygirls. 

Steve d

40205

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khorton01(at)rogers.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:53 am Post subject: Flying to Canada from US (and back)

The procedures for Canada Customs are here:



http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4341/rc4341-e.html



You need to call them before leaving the US (1-888-226-7277 at least  

two hours before your arrival time).  Then after landing, if there is  

no Customs officer there to meet you, call them again.  No one can  

leave the aircraft, except the pilot if he has to leave to make that  

phone call.  Quite often they will not come out to meet the aircraft,  

and will simply give you a clearance number once you phone them after  

arrival in Canada.



Also, due to US TSA requirements, you need to in communication with  

an ATC agency, and have a discrete transponder code when crossing the  

border.  This can be accomplished by either being on an IFR flight  

plan, or being on flight following as you approach the border.  You  

must be on a flight plan to cross the border.



You also need to know that there are a few procedural differences in  

Canada.  For example, circuit joining procedures are a bit  

different.  A 45 to downwind is not on the list of approved entry  

procedures, so other traffic won't be looking for you if you do that  

entry.  Instead, there is a midfield downwind entry, where you cross  

the field and join mid downwind.



Kevin Horton



On 10 Aug 2006, at 23:47, Steven DiNieri wrote:



[quote] 

 <capsteve(at)adelphia.net>



 I fly between Niagara falls and Toronto and can tell you I've also  

 never had

 to show anyone a radio license. The Canadian immigration are great  

 to deal

 with. I simply arrive at a port of entry, then from the fbo call  

 customs and

 they will ask questions and possibly visit you if they feel the  

 need. The

 problem is coming home. Once I was threatened with incarceration  

 for opening

 the aircraft canopy before the customs agent said it was  

 ok.....plus he was

 already pissed for me being 10 minutes early. I think Part of my  

 punishment

 was to sit and bake in the sun...but don’t despair, my marine  

 experience has

 been exactly the same. So I know they're not singling out flyboys and

 flygirls.

 Steve d

 40205

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jjessen

Joined: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 285
Location: OR

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:24 am Post subject: Flying to Canada from US (and back)

Just saw this, as well.  Not sure if it was already referenced.  



CROSSING THE BORDER: CHECKLIST FOR FLIGHTS TO CANADA

If you've already made a trip or two to Canada but need a refresher before

you begin your next trip, AOPA and the Canadian Owners and Pilots

Association offer a quick-reference checklist. The checklist details what

personal and aircraft documentation is needed to make the trip, along with

tips for your arrival to and departure from Canada. Plus the list can be

printed on one page so that you can keep it handy during the trip.



Check list is here:

http://www.aopa.org/members/pic/intl/canada/briefing.html#checklist



John Jessen 



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capsteve

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 111
Location: NIAGARA FALLS NY

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:24 am Post subject: Flying to Canada from US (and back)

Wow, they really must be easy going. I was shown by my instructor 10 or so

years ago, how to cross over the border, and it didn’t include calling

ahead. I really should learn the current regs. But I haven't received any

slack for showing up unannounced...YET... although I always file a vfr

flight plan. And I suppose it has an eta they may use, also the Toronto

center controllers are talking to us most of the way, so I think they must

know I'm coming. 

Thanks for the link, now I'll have to change my evil ways....

Steve

40205




The procedures for Canada Customs are here:



http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4341/rc4341-e.html



You need to call them before leaving the US (1-888-226-7277 at least  

two hours before your arrival time).  Then after landing, if there is  

no Customs officer there to meet you, call them again.  No one can  

leave the aircraft, except the pilot if he has to leave to make that  

phone call.  Quite often they will not come out to meet the aircraft,  

and will simply give you a clearance number once you phone them after  

arrival in Canada.



Also, due to US TSA requirements, you need to in communication with  

an ATC agency, and have a discrete transponder code when crossing the  

border.  This can be accomplished by either being on an IFR flight  

plan, or being on flight following as you approach the border.  You  

must be on a flight plan to cross the border.



You also need to know that there are a few procedural differences in  

Canada.  For example, circuit joining procedures are a bit  

different.  A 45 to downwind is not on the list of approved entry  

procedures, so other traffic won't be looking for you if you do that  

entry.  Instead, there is a midfield downwind entry, where you cross  

the field and join mid downwind.



Kevin Horton



On 10 Aug 2006, at 23:47, Steven DiNieri wrote:



[quote] 

 <capsteve(at)adelphia.net>



 I fly between Niagara falls and Toronto and can tell you I've also  

 never had

 to show anyone a radio license. The Canadian immigration are great  

 to deal

 with. I simply arrive at a port of entry, then from the fbo call  

 customs and

 they will ask questions and possibly visit you if they feel the  

 need. The

 problem is coming home. Once I was threatened with incarceration  

 for opening

 the aircraft canopy before the customs agent said it was  

 ok.....plus he was

 already pissed for me being 10 minutes early. I think Part of my  

 punishment

 was to sit and bake in the sun...but don’t despair, my marine  

 experience has

 been exactly the same. So I know they're not singling out flyboys and

 flygirls.

 Steve d

 40205

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mark(at)stratologic.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:46 am Post subject: Flying to Canada from US (and back)

i'm planning on flying to Tornonto in the next month...

	 

Anyone that has flown the Canadian border a few times.....



have you ever been asked for proof of  $100,000 liability insurance?  

	 

thanks,

	 

Mark.

	 

ps. not looking for any insurance recommendations....thanks.

shempdowling2(at)earthlin
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: Flying to Canada from US (and back)

I just got back from Ontario.  Canadian customs was a snap.  No one was at 

the airport so I called canpass and got a number and went on my way.



Shemp/Jeff Dowling

RV-6A, N915JD

300+ hours

Chicago/Louisville

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