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cschuerm(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: chicken or egg

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		  >Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. 


	




I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put 

together some kind of web commander related web site lately.  Havn't 

really paid any attention as I have little interest these days.  Some of 

the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however.  IMO, 

there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange 

perspective.  If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new 

and better things, nothing ever progresses.  I have no idea who the 

skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying 

to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least 

trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the 

status quo.  A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. 

Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in 

Commander net-land in years.  Maybe this will spur some effort towards 

improving that situation.

When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing 

Commander related web sites.  I found them to be lacking in value and 

decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but 

to add value.  Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more 

appreciated the effort than not.  Could it be that this guy has simply 

found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and 

he's trying to do better?  I say let him try....and fail or succeed... 

The "market" will decide.



chris

tfisher(at)commandergroup
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: chicken or egg

You make a point but I see it as yet another annoying piece of Email that I

have to scrutinize as to whether I am going to delete it or not without

viewing it as I do to some 60% of my Email/Spam.

I prefer to have one good site (maybe room for improvement) as opposed to

many not so good sites.



Tom F.



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john(at)vormbaum.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: chicken or egg

Perhaps you're right, Chris. What I don't like is the fact that he 

participates in NO Commander discussions, evidently doesn't own, fly, or 

want a Commander, and the only indication of his presence is the frequent 

"go here" emails.



When I was first becoming interested in these airplanes, if I'd said, "golly 

gosh, guys, how would you like an interactive bulletin-board style of forum, 

and I'll manage it for you?" after properly introducing myself, I think I 

would have gotten a much better reaction than Joe Skyhawk has. I think it's 

his approach & attitude causing the problem.



/J

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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: chicken or egg

I think Chris S. " doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander" yet he is allowed

to participate.....????



bilbo



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john(at)vormbaum.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: chicken or egg

Bilbo,



True. But Chris's motives are to share knowledge and strengthen the group. 

We all know he's a fantastic contributor. We don't know Joe Skyhawk's 

motives, but based on what we've seen here, it's fairly easy to conclude 

that he just wants to lure people to his site. What has he contributed? 

Nothing.



The interface at his site isn't even that great. As far as knowledge, there 

doesn't seem to be any of that there either.



/John

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cschuerm(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: chicken or egg

Bill Bow wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I think Chris S. " doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander" yet he is allowed

 to participate.....????


	


I just got smart.... I don't "participate" either - I just butt in.  I'm 

kinda like the grumpy old geezers from the muppet show as well as the 

self-appointed chat list police..... basicly a total jerk.  (at least 

according to those who love me and acknowledge to my great and total 

knowledge of life, the universe, and everything).

Now where did I leave my towel....???  That's rather an important item 

to have with you at all times.



chris



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Jpillatzki(at)702com.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: chicken or egg

Actually, he does own a commander. He does love, and has had some other

experiences in them before buying his own. I guess I could ask for a bio

from everyone before I post or ask questions at this site as well, so that I

can profile them to see if they are worth communicating with.



									Jody

Pillatzki



P.S. I own a commander as well, and I have a family, and am a Christian, I

hope I make to the cut!!

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john(at)vormbaum.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: chicken or egg

Gee, that's great. Why didn't he just say so before hijacking this forum? 

Incidentally, why doesn't he just stop hijacking it right now, and perhaps 

introduce himself, like all of us have done over the last few years?



/J

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: chicken or egg

Folks,

Let's not get off the deep end here. Anyone with a love for aviation and

Commanders in particular would congregate, in a virtual sense, in aviation

related websites. This site is particularly enjoyable mostly because of the

love we share for this particular airplane and the valuable knowledge that

its members share without regard of cost or effort. It's free and people can

come and go as they please. The site was built on the shoulders of people

who believed that it had a place in the market place of ideas and free

speech, and its mere existence proves that they were right.



Let's not ask people if they should be here or not; they will leave if what

we do doesn't interest them any longer and those that want to be here will

not leave unless we insult them.



Chris has been a pillar of strength in this community and his efforts in

starting the site and getting it off the ground has created momentum from

which we all benefit. Skyhawk's insistence on getting people to join his

site cuts the wrong way with most folks, and that's my (not always) humble

opinion, because he doesn't propose to contribute anything to the site. He

has a right to say what he wants - he might not have the privilege of

acceptance from everybody.



That's my 2c worth.



Nico





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tfisher(at)commandergroup
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: chicken or egg

Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam.

Last word.

Tom F.

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allen_reed2(at)hotmail.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: chicken or egg

If you miss Aerocommander.com  ,,,you might be a "RED-NECK" Commander 

pilot!!! Big Al

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>

Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: chicken or egg

Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:14:10 -0600

 >>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU.

I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put

together some kind of web commander related web site lately.  Havn't

really paid any attention as I have little interest these days.  Some of

the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however.  IMO,

there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange

perspective.  If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new

and better things, nothing ever progresses.  I have no idea who the

skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying

to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least

trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the

status quo.  A little competition can do a lot to improve the product.

Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in

Commander net-land in years.  Maybe this will spur some effort towards

improving that situation.

When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing

Commander related web sites.  I found them to be lacking in value and

decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but

to add value.  Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more

appreciated the effort than not.  Could it be that this guy has simply

found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and

he's trying to do better?  I say let him try....and fail or succeed...

The "market" will decide.

chris

cschuerm(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: chicken or egg

Allen Reed wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   If you miss Aerocommander.com  ,,,you might be a "RED-NECK" Commander 

 pilot!!! Big Al


	




Big Al!

This just proves that the chatter is bringing people out of the 

woodwork.  Al was last seen duct-taping a couple of gators to the wings 

of Lucille before attempting a "swamp-35" departure.  We heard him yell: 

"hey y'all! Watch this!" right before he sunk into the mud.  The 

augementors made an erie sound as they submerged into the swamp....



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amg(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject: chicken or egg

Hello.



Maybe I should formally introduce myself so I won't  receive the rath 

from above.

   I  purchased the 500 Commander from Rob and Steve some months ago. 

This is my first Commander and I have always wanted one.

,However I have several other planes and like all of them. Not everyone 

can afford or wants an airplane, but from my point of view the  forum is 

for anyone that  is interested in the Aero Commander. I frequent the 

other site, and see some of the names of  you guys on there also. I 

personally do not think that Skyhawk had any motive  other than trying 

to be friendly in what he posted on this forum. One thing I do like 

 about the other site is a map showing  where everyone is located.  

    My name is Roland Gilliam from Carthage N.C,

.   My airport is Gilliam- Mcconnell  Airfield   5nc3

     I am not soliciting anything  I just like flying  (49 years worth) 

another ancient aviator!!



   Sincerely



   Roland            PS  If my comments are not in order, I'm sure 

someone will let me know.



css ni

co wrote:



[quote]



Folks,

Let's not get off the deep end here. Anyone with a love for aviation and

Commanders in particular would congregate, in a virtual sense, in aviation

related websites. This site is particularly enjoyable mostly because of the

love we share for this particular airplane and the valuable knowledge that

its members share without regard of cost or effort. It's free and people can

come and go as they please. The site was built on the shoulders of people

who believed that it had a place in the market place of ideas and free

speech, and its mere existence proves that they were right.



Let's not ask people if they should be here or not; they will leave if what

we do doesn't interest them any longer and those that want to be here will

not leave unless we insult them.



Chris has been a pillar of strength in this community and his efforts in

starting the site and getting it off the ground has created momentum from

which we all benefit. Skyhawk's insistence on getting people to join his

site cuts the wrong way with most folks, and that's my (not always) humble

opinion, because he doesn't propose to contribute anything to the site. He

has a right to say what he wants - he might not have the privilege of

acceptance from everybody.



That's my 2c worth.



Nico





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cschuerm(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:34 pm Post subject: chicken or egg

css nico wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   will not leave unless we insult them.


	


AH! I finally understand the key to moderating a chatlist.  Just insult 

the nuts and they'll go away.  If only I'd known that years ago.... 



Nico, your comments are appreciated but far too kind.  Thank you.

cs

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: chicken or egg

One thing about the folks on this site - they have a sense of humor.

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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: chicken or egg

Well put!



Bill Bow



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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: chicken or egg

It hasn't worked on me yet.



bilbo



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