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dcsfoto

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Posts: 120

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

I have a Rotax 912 14 yr old and want to swap to a 2200 Jabiru at overhaul time.

Has anyone done this on a MIII round cowl ? how hard is it to do

mdps_mc(at)swoca.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:28 am Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

I did this conversion on a Model IV.  The cowling work is the most

difficult.  I left the aft cowling pretty much the same except for a little

bit of work on the aft bottom cowling in the exhaust area.  I had to extend

the round bump cowling about five inches and widen it by splitting the top

and bottom in half.  This past winter I made a brand new bump cowling which

took considerable time but it does look really nice.  I have a few pics on

the Jabiru USA website.



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algate(at)attglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:10 am Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

Hi



Here are a few photos of the cowl on my Model4 with Jab 2200.



The main changes on this installation relate to a bump on the Pass side

front cowl (about 4" x 2" to clear the No.1 rocker cover and cut outs in the

ring cowl to fit the inlets in the to ram air ducts. The rest of the front

opening is closed using clear lexan so that the cowling is not pressurized.



There is also additional opening and some aluminum fairings in the bottom of

the cowl to allow sufficient air flow through the cowl.



Like Michel my CHT and oil temps run on the low side of recommended

operating range.



If you would like more detailed photos I would be happy to send them off

line



Regards



Gary Algate

Model4 Jab2200

I have a Rotax 912 14 yr old and want to swap to a 2200 Jabiru at overhaul

time.

Has anyone done this on a MIII round cowl ? how hard is it to do

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Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

the pics are cool BUT tell me more about the hanger.  can I get  one?   mal 

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clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

Hi, I looked at the pictures, nice.  I thought that the Jabiru turned the 

opposite to normal engines.  Your picture shows a normal turning prop.  

Clint

From: "Algate" <algate(at)attglobal.net>

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Jabiru 2200 conversion

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:12:37 -0400



Hi



Here are a few photos of the cowl on my Model4 with Jab 2200.



The main changes on this installation relate to a bump on the Pass side

front cowl (about 4" x 2" to clear the No.1 rocker cover and cut outs in the

ring cowl to fit the inlets in the to ram air ducts. The rest of the front

opening is closed using clear lexan so that the cowling is not pressurized.



There is also additional opening and some aluminum fairings in the bottom of

the cowl to allow sufficient air flow through the cowl.



Like Michel my CHT and oil temps run on the low side of recommended

operating range.



If you would like more detailed photos I would be happy to send them off

line



Regards



Gary Algate

Model4 Jab2200

I have a Rotax 912 14 yr old and want to swap to a 2200 Jabiru at overhaul

time.

Has anyone done this on a MIII round cowl ? how hard is it to do



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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

On Sep 2, 2006, at 8:22 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi, I looked at the pictures, nice.  I thought that the Jabiru turned 

 the opposite to normal engines.  Your picture shows a normal turning 

 prop.  Clint


	


Indeed, the Jabiru turns in the "normal" way, that is, you have to 

press right pedal when you take off. The only engines that turn the 

prop the other way are the two-strokes Rotax, as far as I know. Another 

thing that is "normal" with the Jabiru is that, if the throttle cable 

breaks, a spring will keep the carburettor to WOT, and not idle like 

the 582.



Cheers,

Michel

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Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:29 am Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

Wow, Gary, I was just looking at the heads on your engine, and noticed 

how much more fin area I have around the exhaust pipe. Mine is the 

newer engine, with larger heads, but I never realized how MUCH larger 

'til I saw your engine. I had never seen a picture of the earlier 

engine 'til now.



Lynn

On Friday, September 1, 2006, at 08:12  AM, Algate wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi



 Here are a few photos of the cowl on my Model4 with Jab 2200.



 The main changes on this installation relate to a bump on the Pass side

 front cowl (about 4" x 2" to clear the No.1 rocker cover and cut outs 

 in the

 ring cowl to fit the inlets in the to ram air ducts. The rest of the 

 front

 opening is closed using clear lexan so that the cowling is not 

 pressurized.



 There is also additional opening and some aluminum fairings in the 

 bottom of

 the cowl to allow sufficient air flow through the cowl.



 Like Michel my CHT and oil temps run on the low side of recommended

 operating range.



 If you would like more detailed photos I would be happy to send them 

 off

 line



 Regards



 Gary Algate

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

algate(at)attglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

Lynn



I haven't seen the newer model Jab so I don't know what to compare with. My

CHT's run at around 298 F at cruise during summer, so if you have more fin

area you must have great temps.



As mine is a tail dragger my oil level is pretty difficult to set  so I have

been gradually increasing to get a reading mid way between the high and low

mark on the stick. On the weekend I went for a flight and it emptied about a

pint of oil into the overflow canister and the belly of my plane.



I ended up dumping all of the oil and refilling it with correct capacity but

it hardly registers on the dip stock when standing "3 point". 



I checked with the Jab dealer in Canada and he said that this is a common

occurrence if you overfill the oil.



Just when I had become really confident in the engine. Oh well

Gary Algate

Classic 4 Jab2200

re




Wow, Gary, I was just looking at the heads on your engine, and noticed 

how much more fin area I have around the exhaust pipe. Mine is the 

newer engine, with larger heads, but I never realized how MUCH larger 

'til I saw your engine. I had never seen a picture of the earlier 

engine 'til now.



Lynn

On Friday, September 1, 2006, at 08:12  AM, Algate wrote:

Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

On Sep 5, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Algate wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   As mine is a tail dragger my oil level is pretty difficult to set  so 

 I have

 been gradually increasing to get a reading mid way between the high 

 and low

 mark on the stick.


	


With my model 3 and Jabiru 2200 (SN. 1665), I need only a tiny drop at 

the end of the dipstick, in taildragger down position, Gary. Any excess 

of that ends up in the recovery bottle, anyway. With my "drop at the 

end of the stick" I fly many hours without needing more oil.



Cheers,

Michel

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Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200

algate(at)attglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

Thanks Michel



It's a shame that they haven't come up with an extended dip stick for tail

dragger installations.



Regards



Gary



With my model 3 and Jabiru 2200 (SN. 1665), I need only a tiny drop at 

the end of the dipstick, in taildragger down position, Gary. Any excess 

of that ends up in the recovery bottle, anyway. With my "drop at the 

end of the stick" I fly many hours without needing more oil.



Cheers,

Michel

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

I guess that is the advantage of the dry sump engine.  Put on a set of

floats ....no probs.



Noel



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Noel Loveys
Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

Gary-

When I initially filled my engine, I used the (then) figure of 2.2 

quarts (US), and filed a notch on the dipstick when the oil had settled 

and leveled off. This is where I have flown for 140 hours on the 

plane...with the obvious oil changes of course. I get some oil 

collecting in the canister, but have not measured it. I have dumped it 

when it gets about halfway full, which has happened a couple of times. 

Mine is a taildragger too, and my installation instructions said to 

re-calibrate the stick for 'draggin'.



My CHT's have always been under the max...I have an EIS so I just set 

the top end parameters and let it go at that. Trying to recall any high 

end temps...just can't recall the particular numbers...too many other 

things to keep track of, as I'm still learning to fly and that keeps my 

attention for the most part. But I'll make it a point to record some 

numbers tomorrow....never over 300 F, that's for sure.



Go to Pete's (or Andy's I think) website and look at the engine 

pictures there, and you'll see how much fin they added around the 

exhaust pipe area,  and maybe some on top too.



Probably better temps with the larger/newer heads, but the Economy 

Tuning (lean burn) added some temperature, I'm sure...it sure did to 

the EGT.



Lynn

p.s. Since I first filled my engine with oil, I have seen figures of 

2.3 US quarts , and 2.43 US quarts, so what's a guy to believe?



On Tuesday, September 5, 2006, at 11:31  AM, Algate wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Lynn



 I haven't seen the newer model Jab so I don't know what to compare 

 with. My

 CHT's run at around 298 F at cruise during summer, so if you have more 

 fin

 area you must have great temps.



 As mine is a tail dragger my oil level is pretty difficult to set  so 

 I have

 been gradually increasing to get a reading mid way between the high 

 and low

 mark on the stick. On the weekend I went for a flight and it emptied 

 about a

 pint of oil into the overflow canister and the belly of my plane.



 I ended up dumping all of the oil and refilling it with correct 

 capacity but

 it hardly registers on the dip stock when standing "3 point".



 I checked with the Jab dealer in Canada and he said that this is a 

 common

 occurrence if you overfill the oil.



 Just when I had become really confident in the engine. Oh well

 Gary Algate

 Classic 4 Jab2200

 re

 



 Wow, Gary, I was just looking at the heads on your engine, and noticed

 how much more fin area I have around the exhaust pipe. Mine is the

 newer engine, with larger heads, but I never realized how MUCH larger

 'til I saw your engine. I had never seen a picture of the earlier

 engine 'til now.



 Lynn

 On Friday, September 1, 2006, at 08:12  AM, Algate wrote:

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

 	  Quote: 	
		   From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt(at)jps.net]

 p.s. Since I first filled my engine with oil, I have seen figures of 

 2.3 US quarts , and 2.43 US quarts, so what's a guy to believe?


	


Lynn, it could be with or without the oil cooler. I also have two figures in my manual, but in liters: 2 liters  and 2.3 liters . But when changing oil, you can't empty the cooler so it is 2 liters I use.



Cheers,

Michel

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Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200

smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

Same problem with my NSI engine in a TD aircraft.  I

bought a new Soob dipstick this summer to fix that.  I

don't mind being a cup or so low, but it would not

show on the old stick.  Didn't know if it was a tad

low or empty, so now I can see every quart.



Kurt S.  



--- Algate <algate(at)attglobal.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Thanks Michel

 

 It's a shame that they haven't come up with an

 extended dip stick for tail

 dragger installations.

 

 Regards

 

 Gary

 

 With my model 3 and Jabiru 2200 (SN. 1665), I need

 only a tiny drop at 

 the end of the dipstick, in taildragger down

 position, Gary. Any excess 

 of that ends up in the recovery bottle, anyway. With

 my "drop at the 

 end of the stick" I fly many hours without needing

 more oil.

 

 Cheers,

 Michel


	


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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

I just changed my oil today, Michel, and just to be contrary, I  

disconnected the lower oil cooler line and drained the cooler, too.  

Don't know how much I got out, but it made me feel better to try. On  

start-up, I cranked a bit with the mags off until I saw pressure.

Lynn

On Wednesday, September 6, 2006, at 02:30  AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  > From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt(at)jps.net]

> p.s. Since I first filled my engine with oil, I have seen figures of

> 2.3 US quarts , and 2.43 US quarts, so what's a guy to believe?

 Lynn, it could be with or without the oil cooler. I also have two  

 figures in my manual, but in liters: 2 liters  and 2.3 liters . But  

 when changing oil, you can't empty the cooler so it is 2 liters I use.

 Cheers,

 Michel

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: Jabiru 2200 conversion

On Sep 8, 2006, at 12:33 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I just changed my oil today, Michel, and just to be contrary, I 

 disconnected the lower oil cooler line and drained the cooler, too.


	


Of course, it can be done, Lynn. But, if I remember correctly, the user 

manual doesn't say that it should be done. I guess, when you change 

oil, you always have a bit of the old one left. By disconnecting the 

cooler, you certainly did a better job than me, my friend. I will do 

the same as you at the next oil change.



Cheers,

Michel



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