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manliker(at)uiuc.edu
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:58 am Post subject: Instructions for Cargo Bay Kit - Series 5

Does anyone have instructions for installing the Cargo Bay Kit in a

Series 5.  I have the kit, but no instructions.  Do they exist?  Anyone

have them as a pdf, or available for faxing?



TIA,



Mark Anliker

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Flybradair(at)cs.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: Instructions for Cargo Bay Kit - Series 5

Hi Mark

 

 If you have the baggage sack with fiberglass floorboard then its pretty easy.

 

 The floor goes inside the bag (the bag bottom is therefore sandwiched between the fuselage mounting tabs and the floor).

 

 Epoxy the tunnel to the floor board- skip the pop rivets. 

 

 The bag can be glued (contact cement) to the back side of the tunnel so it does not rub on the aft elevator push-pull tube.

 (or it can be pop riveted to the tunnel if you want).

 

 I used hook rings instead of the bolts to tie everything down in the bay.

 

 Hope this helps.

 

 Brad Martin

 5 Lyc o-235

 Wichita

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 In a message dated 9/5/06 9:10:55 AM Central Daylight Time, manliker(at)uiuc.edu writes: 

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 Does anyone have instructions for installing the Cargo Bay Kit in a

 Series 5.  I have the kit, but no instructions.  Do they exist?  Anyone

 have them as a pdf, or available for faxing?

 

 TIA,

 

 Mark Anliker

 217-898-4766

 	


 

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dan(at)azshowersolutions.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: Instructions for Cargo Bay Kit - Series 5

Hey Mark,

  Personally I would loose  (actually I did) the baggage sack idea and stick in a nice baggage compartment. Several of the guys here in the Pheonix area have done this and it's a great mod. Here are some pictures of how I did it. http://www.azshowersolutions.com/Baggage1.html 

   

  Dan, Mesa AZ

  KF IV speedster w/ 912s

  build in progress



Flybradair(at)cs.com wrote:

  [quote]Hi Mark



If you have the baggage sack with fiberglass floorboard then its pretty easy.



The floor goes inside the bag (the bag bottom is therefore sandwiched between the fuselage mounting tabs and the floor).



Epoxy the tunnel to the floor  board- skip the pop rivets. 



The bag can be glued (contact cement) to the back side of the tunnel so it does not rub on the aft elevator push-pull tube.

(or it can be pop riveted to the tunnel if you want).



I used hook rings instead of the bolts to tie everything down in the bay.



Hope this helps.



Brad Martin

5 Lyc o-235

Wichita

In a message dated 9/5/06 9:10:55 AM Central Daylight Time, manliker(at)uiuc.edu writes: 

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Does anyone have instructions for installing the Cargo Bay Kit in a

Series 5.  I have the kit, but no instructions.  Do they exist?  Anyone

have them as a pdf, or available for faxing?



TIA,



Mark Anliker

217-898-4766

	




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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
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Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:42 am Post subject: Instructions for Cargo Bay Kit - Series 5

At 05:50 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Personally I would loose  (actually I did) the baggage sack idea and stick 

in a nice baggage compartment. Several of the guys here in the Pheonix 

area have done this and it's a great mod. Here are some pictures of how I 

did it.


	


Dan,

         I could not tell from your pictures if you have something 

supporting the baggage floor beyond Adel clamps. Since the floor is above 

the control system I'm reminding Mark that it's very important that the 

floor be supporting by something that will never shift. In my case I 

supported the back of the floor with an aluminum angle "A" frame down to 

the transverse frame tubes where they meet the verticals. I supported the 

front by attaching the forward upper transverse member to the upper 

transverse seat support and then dropping verticals and diagonals to the 

baggage floor. When all was done I tested it by gingerly standing in the 

middle of the baggage floor. (I weigh 200 pounds. Remember 40 pounds times 

6 g's is 240 pounds.) Yes, I saw you tested your's the same way. I'm glad. 

I was just concerned, with mine, that the Adel clamps would slide in time.

         By the way. I really like your gun and rod cases. I wish I had put 

in my baggage compartment before covering so I could have done the same. 

Although I'm not sure my CG would have allowed me to put anything back 

there heavier than a fly rod.

Guy

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Guy Buchanan
Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

dan(at)azshowersolutions.
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: Instructions for Cargo Bay Kit - Series 5

Hey Guy,

  

I could not tell from your pictures if you have something 

supporting the baggage floor beyond Adel clamps

  The angle is primarially supported with adel clamps, however, I do have rivets tied into the top horizontal tube at the back (holding the verticals) and I am bolted into the front(behind the seats). I also was concerned about the adel clamps holding and Murle Williams said if I used the correct clamps for each vertical, I would have no problem. His reference was directed to Mike Gibbs KF-IV which crashed and totaled coming in and pancaked.(jump in here Mike to add anything) His baggage compartment only had adel clamps and did not move. That was very good proof for me. However, If you have the welder and skills, it certainly wouldn't hurt to weld in tabs to bolt to...this is what Steve Kellandar did. All insurance is a good thing when it comes to  safety.

   

  By the way. I really like your gun and rod cases. I wish I had put 

in my baggage compartment before covering so I could have done the same. 

Although I'm not sure my CG would have allowed me to put anything back 

there heavier than a fly rod.

Others before me have put shotguns down the center where I have mine tied. I'm going to watch that close when it comes to weight and balance hoping it will come out ok. May need to keep it to a lightweight .410  :>)

  Dan

   

   

   

   

  

Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> wrote:

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At 05:50 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Personally I would loose (actually I did) the baggage sack idea and stick 

in a nice baggage compartment. Several of the guys here in the Pheonix 

area have done this and it's a great mod. Here are some pictures of how I 

did it.


	


Dan,

I could not tell from your pictures if you have something 

supporting the baggage floor beyond Adel clamps. Since the floor is above 

the control system I'm reminding Mark that it's very important that the 

floor be supporting by something that will never shift. In my case I 

supported the back of the floor with an aluminum angle "A" frame down to 

the transverse frame tubes where they meet the verticals. I supported the 

front by attaching the forward upper transverse member to the upper 

transverse seat support and then dropping verticals and diagonals to the 

baggage floor. When all was done I tested it by [quote][b]

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MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: Instructions for Cargo Bay Kit - Series 5

 	  Quote: 	
		  His reference was directed to Mike Gibbs KF-IV which crashed and 

totaled coming in and pancaked.(jump in here Mike to add anything) 

His baggage compartment only had adel clamps and did not move.


	


The only thing that I'd add is that the rescue team estimated our 

impact at 20g and said that they generally don't see any survivors 

past about 23g.  During construction, I also performed the 

stand-in-the-baggage-area test successfully.



Steve Kellander constructed his gun bag similar to the way Dan has 

his, while mine used a solid, rectangular tube made from aluminum 

angle and sheet (you can see it a bit in Dan's photos).  The tube 

survived the crash completely intact and will be going into the 

empennage of my new Series 6.  



Mike G.

N728KF

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