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aurbo(at)ak.net
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: new to this list

Hello,

  

 I have just completed the fuselage on the  RV-9 I am building and am about to begin the process of putting in all things  electric. I find myself overwhelmed with the vast unknown pool of knowledge and  I just don't know where to jump in or begin.

  

 I have the Aeroelectric book on order. I  have talked with Bob. 

  

 Up until this point in the building  process I have found pretty clear instructions for each step (ok, sometimes the  plans and drawings were a little vague) but not for electric installation.  

  

 Is there a "cook book" to use to at least  have a place to begin?

  

 Mike Ice

 Anchorage,  Alaska

Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:43 am Post subject: new to this list

Mike,  

   

Van’s does sell a wiring harness for your RV-9. I bought one for my RV-8A but didn’t use it because I had so many things I wanted to do another way. But, it did come with “put this here and use this wire to connect it to that” instructions. You might want to get just the instructions for the wiring kit for the RV-9 to review.  

   

Terry  

RV-8A finishing  

Seattle  

   

         

  

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael T. Ice

 Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:58 AM

 To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: new to this list  

  

     

[b]Hello,[/b]  

    

   

    

[b]I have just completed the fuselage on the RV-9 I am building and am about to begin the process of putting in all things electric. I find myself overwhelmed with the vast unknown pool of knowledge and I just don't know where to jump in or begin.[/b]  

    

   

    

[b]I have the Aeroelectric book on order. I have talked with Bob. [/b]  

    

   

    

[b]Up until this point in the building process I have found pretty clear instructions for each step (ok, sometimes the plans and drawings were a little vague) but not for electric installation. [/b]  

    

   

    

[b]Is there a "cook book" to use to at least have a place to begin?[/b]  

    

   

    

[b]Mike Ice[/b]  

    

[b]Anchorage[/b][b], Alaska[/b]  

  

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:03 am Post subject: new to this list

Hi Michael,

The book you ordered is the cookbook and place to begin.  Once through 

it, you'll feel a lot more confident about the approach.

In the order of things, you need to decide how you want to place your 

buses, main lines, ground cable and contact relays.  The rest is

sizing and finding the best methods for placing your wiring, plug 

disconnects and putting wiring in for your selected electronics and 

avionics.

This is a good site to post a question, but discussions get well past 

the minutiae and it's hard to gage the relevant nature of some of the

issues.  You will find the book is a centerline and very good reference 

from which to make all those decisions.  Don't worry about the

vast unknown, cause most of what you need is in the book or can be best 

answered here by Bob Nuckolls.

Welcome,



Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com

do not archive



Michael T. Ice wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   *Hello,*

 ** 

 *I have just completed the fuselage on the RV-9 I am building and am 

 about to begin the process of putting in all things electric. I find 

 myself overwhelmed with the vast unknown pool of knowledge and I just 

 don't know where to jump in or begin.*

 ** 

 *I have the Aeroelectric book on order. I have talked with Bob. *

 ** 

 *Up until this point in the building process I have found pretty clear 

 instructions for each step (ok, sometimes the plans and drawings were 

 a little vague) but not for electric installation. *

 ** 

 *Is there a "cook book" to use to at least have a place to begin?*

 ** 

 *Mike Ice*

 *Anchorage, Alaska*

fstringham

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 87

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: new to this list

Mike



You have the cook book on order...Aeroelectric....



I am there now and am in the learning process. First determine aircraft 

mission. Determine budget. Design electrical system to meet aircraft mission 

and budget. ASK QUESTIONS after your own research. Check out others 

electrical plan. Submit your plan to others for suggestions. Order supplies. 

Ask questions through the whole process. Don't get side tracked by the 

intellectual joustings. Follow Bob's advice and you will not go wrong.



Frank (at) SGU and SLC   wiring and other stufffffff....RV7A

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo(at)ak.net>

Reply-To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: new to this list

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 07:57:36 -0800



Hello,



I have just completed the fuselage on the RV-9 I am building and am about 

to begin the process of putting in all things electric. I find myself 

overwhelmed with the vast unknown pool of knowledge and I just don't know 

where to jump in or begin.



I have the Aeroelectric book on order. I have talked with Bob.



Up until this point in the building process I have found pretty clear 

instructions for each step (ok, sometimes the plans and drawings were a 

little vague) but not for electric installation.



Is there a "cook book" to use to at least have a place to begin?



Mike Ice

Anchorage, Alaska

aurbo(at)ak.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: new to this list

Frank and others,



Thanks for the prompt replies and advice. I will take it to heart and do as 

you suggest. Don't worry about me getting caught up in the intellectual 

jousting, I am way to busy.



Scottish Proverb:

Be happy while you're living, for you're a long time dead.



Mike Ice



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N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: new to this list

One thing you can start doing before you even get "The Book" is to 

start making a list of all your electrically operated 

equipment.  Everything from strobe lights to fuel pumps to electronic 

ignition systems, clocks, radios, etc.



Get the manufacturer's specs on each one and write down the "Current" 

requirements for each.  These will be stated in milliamps or 

Amps.  For radios, it may give one current requirement for receiving 

and a different one for transmitting.  Note that this is NOT the 

"fuse size" or "breaker size" given.  If they only give you the 

electrical requirements in Watts, remember you can convert Amps = 

Watts / Voltage.



Then sort your list by

a) things you MUST have on all the time in order to stay aloft

b) things you are required by FAR to have turned on at night-time

c) intermittent loads, such as strobe light maximums, radio 

transmitter maximums, fuel pumps that run for a short time and then 

turn off, etc. etc.

d) unusual loads that you may only require once in a blue moon, such 

as landing lights, pitot heat, etc.

d) things that are luxury items, such as iPods, 2nd radios,



This will help you start understanding how you might want to divide 

up the equipment onto the various buses you will be creating.  It 

will also help you start understanding the maximum size alternator 

and battery you will need, what size wire to expect, fuse sizes, etc. etc.



The book will make this all clearer, but this will give you something 

to start working on before the book arrives.



Dave Morris

At 10:57 AM 10/7/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Hello,



I have just completed the fuselage on the RV-9 I am building and am 

about to begin the process of putting in all things electric. I find 

myself overwhelmed with the vast unknown pool of knowledge and I 

just don't know where to jump in or begin.



I have the Aeroelectric book on order. I have talked with Bob.



Up until this point in the building process I have found pretty 

clear instructions for each step (ok, sometimes the plans and 

drawings were a little vague) but not for electric installation.



Is there a "cook book" to use to at least have a place to begin?



Mike Ice

Anchorage, Alaska

aurbo(at)ak.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject: new to this list

Dave,



Thanks for the great ideas. I have begun to make lists and your right it 

gives me something to do which is a big help.



Mike



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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: new to this list

Mike,



Welcome aboard! You've met a few folks on the List and

for the short term at least, I'll leave you in good

hands. I've got some pressing family matters that

will keep me out of circulation for a few days.



Bob . . .

At 07:57 AM 10/7/2006 -0800, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Hello,



I have just completed the fuselage on the RV-9 I am building and am about 

to begin the process of putting in all things electric. I find myself 

overwhelmed with the vast unknown pool of knowledge and I just don't know 

where to jump in or begin.



I have the Aeroelectric book on order. I have talked with Bob.



Up until this point in the building process I have found pretty clear 

instructions for each step (ok, sometimes the plans and drawings were a 

little vague) but not for electric installation.



Is there a "cook book" to use to at least have a place to begin?



Mike Ice

Anchorage, Alaska

nuckollsr(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: new to this list

At 09:25 PM 10/7/2006 -0800, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  



Dave,



Thanks for the great ideas. I have begun to make lists and your right it 

gives me something to do which is a big help.



Mike


	


   Check out the blank form at:



http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/LoadAnalysis.pdf



   You need one for EACH bus, typically main, e-bus and battery bus.



   Work this in #2 pencil and use pink eraser for modifying the

   work product. If you're handy with Excel, you might consider

   downloading the spread sheets at:



http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Load_Analysis



   These are good examples and starting points for developing

   a load analysis that describes what your dream machine

   is going to look like. This is a good exercise to do BEFORE

   you buy any hardware or start drilling holes in the panel.



   The load analysis is a living document so get comfortable

   with it (you'll be 95% DONE until a year after the airplane

   flies).



   Bob . . .

aurbo(at)ak.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:15 am Post subject: new to this list

Bob,



Thanks. Family first. Besides I am in good hands as you say.

Mike

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