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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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At 02:11 PM 10/23/2006 -0500, you wrote:
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<sales(at)6440autoparts.com>
Could be the chassi brain box causing a problem also. I think
Barry may be right about that. A lot of automobiles these days depend on
the brian box to tell it when to charge. Yep they are too complicated.
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. . . which presupposes that there are alternators in
existence that may be controlled from outside. I.e.,
turned ON and OFF at will based on command fed in
via one of the small wires.
I've yet to see one and to date, nobody has come
forward here on the List with a brand/model number
for such an alternator.
We can produce lots of hypothesizing, wishing, and
hip-shot assertions . . . all of which are simply
interesting conversation until we have the demonstrable
experiment.
Bob . . .
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Bret Smith
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Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: alternator autopsy |
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It's starting to remind me of the PM days....
Bret
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redeloach(at)fedex.com
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: alternator autopsy |
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A ground loop is what I do most every time I fly my tail dragger!
:}
Kingsley Hurst wrote:
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Barry,
> Why indeed ... Because so many of you follow the leader with heads
stuck so
> far up their butts that it LQQKs like the heads are in the right
place.
Strange that ! 'cause after three years on this list, I am far from
reaching the same conclusion. If you had said that a few on this list
think they are mightier than thou, then I think I may have been able to
concur.
> It is NOT a game of I've got a secret
Then what is it ? Is it just that if one person on the list disagrees
with you that you then withhold your knowledge ? Or are you the type of
person who only says things once and anybody who simply misunderstands
or can't recollect, gets ignored ?
> I TOLD the secret MANY, MANY times but
you (the collective) refuse to listen. Do you recall what I posted?
Sorry but I as part of the 'collective', DID NOT REFUSE TO LISTEN and
NO, I don't recall what you 'singular' posted !
> Do you recall the mindless regurgitation of how I was wrong.
NO again. Starting to wonder if you have a complex !
> Well, this is just an example of Over Engineering and Electronic
Babble.
Not what I would have called it !
> Remember I have screamed about K.I.S.S. ME
Actually I do remember something about that but I'd rather decline the
offer thank you.
> I have a Hyundai, I spent two months swapping alternators, bench
checking
alternators and even replaced the battery (Didn't I tell fellow that
replacing
the battery won't help!) ALL to no avail.
Well I haven't got a Hyundai so it matters little to me now whether you
tell me or not.
> You know Kingsley, you are the ONLY one to question my posts on this
topic.
The ONLY one to ask.
Fat lot of good it did me, you didn't answer so what was the point of my
asking ?
> Hell, "the only stupid question is the one not asked".
I'll need time on this one . . . . question to myself . . . . . "how can
a question be a question (stupid or otherwise) if it is not asked ?"
thinking . . . . . . . thinking . . . . . . . . .
> Someone finally did respond with what I believe to be the correct
answer.
Yet, we may never know. Even if they and I are right.
????? I'm bewildered. Are you now saying you may NOT be right ?
> Last hint: There are No such freek'n things as ground loops in a DC
circuit.
And what is the common metal on both the plane and Hyundai?
Ah ! well at least I now know it is not caused by a Ground Loop. Even
I know that things that don't exist don't cause problems !!
Common metal ? Dunno . . . . Mine is made of FRP ! Also, it is strange
how you are so touchy about others disagreeing with you but now you
disagree with many others on the list with your profound statement about
'ground loops'. Gee, I hope they don't react like you do !
> "With respect" - Thank you for the respect, but all I want is a nation
that
thinks for themselves.
With less respect now Barry, please don't worry about this any more,
I've lost interest in finding out your 'Magic Solution'
To everyone else on the list that has bothered to read this far, please
accept my apologies for being drawn into this. Have been doing long
hours lately and maybe I've just got SOL (Shit On Liver) from "Chop'd
Liver" I'll be over it tomorrow.
Kingsley
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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: alternator autopsy |
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At 10:37 PM 10/23/2006 -0400, you wrote:
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Thank you Kingsley:
Why indeed ... Because so many of you follow the leader with heads stuck so
far up their butts that it LQQKs like the heads are in the right place.
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Barry,
In keeping with the philosophy offered by what appears to
be your adopted mentor (Yamashiada - for whom I cannot find
a single reference on the 'net) I will suggest that you've
been SHOWN how folks conduct themselves when sharing knowledge
and understanding here on the List. I will now take the
CORRECTIVE step of bringing it to your attention. Whether
or not we come to the last step is entirely up to you sir.
Be a gentleman or be gone.
Bob . . .
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sales(at)6440autoparts.co
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: alternator autopsy |
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In this instance I'm not 100% sure but it is possible that the ecm has
control over the alternator. But I do know for sure that mid 80's chryslers
we're controlled by what was called a logic module at that time. Mounted in
the rh front kick panel. Back in the day I sold quite a few of these for
that reason. They had 2 different types of alternators bosh which could have
had numbers such as 4339440, 5226600, 5227474, 5233474, 5233574,5233718 and
also chrysler design 5226200, 5227100. That may help in your quest. There
are other's that are controlled thru the brain also but cannot give you any
specific examples at this time. I would think an auto electric shop would be
a source of good info. I mean a shop that specializes in automobile
electrical problems only. I am just a used parts seller but if I can help
with some info I will do what I can.
I will say this, I would think that the extra wiring and weight
incurred by the addition of a logic module or ecm would not be worth the
effort in aviation.
Randy
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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: alternator autopsy |
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At 09:14 AM 10/24/2006 -0400, you wrote:
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It's starting to remind me of the PM days....
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One might be tempted to believe that personality-
driven conflicts are uniquely separate events.
In a population the size of this List there are
always one or more individuals who cannot
embrace the notion of assembling useful inventions
from an inventory of simple-ideas and sharing
understanding.
Personality duels have happened before and will happen
again. The best thing we can do is filter the noise,
focus on the mission and don't expend any emotional capital
on them.
Bob . . .
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echristley(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: alternator autopsy |
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Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
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At 02:11 PM 10/23/2006 -0500, you wrote:
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> <sales(at)6440autoparts.com>
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> Could be the chassi brain box causing a problem also. I
> think Barry may be right about that. A lot of automobiles these days
> depend on the brian box to tell it when to charge. Yep they are too
> complicated.
. . . which presupposes that there are alternators in
existence that may be controlled from outside. I.e.,
turned ON and OFF at will based on command fed in
via one of the small wires.
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Using the simple ideas, would such a technique even make sense as a way
to reduce engine loads? The field voltage drops once the battery is
charged and not as much current is needed. When the field voltage drops
the thing is easy to spin. Basically, the alternator already draws only
enough power to maintain the charge state. There's no horsepower to be
gained by turning it off, and it still must keep operating to maintain
the running loads.
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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: alternator autopsy |
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Using the simple ideas, would such a technique even make sense as a way to
reduce engine loads? The field voltage drops once the battery is charged
and not as much current is needed. When the field voltage drops the thing
is easy to spin. Basically, the alternator already draws only enough
power to maintain the charge state. There's no horsepower to be gained by
turning it off, and it still must keep operating to maintain the
running loads.
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Yeah, return on investment for an "electrical load
shedding" feature would be problematic. The actual
brake-horsepower required to operate the alternator
under most flight regimes would not make much difference
in airplane performance.
I seem to recall that one of our small cars had a throttle
switch that would shut the air conditioner compressor off
while the throttle was fully open . . . ostensibly achieves
better passing performance.
My sense is that if you're pushing out that far into
the corner of the performance envelope, "conserving" accessory
hardware energy for the purpose of delivering it to the
prop instead is not going to contribute much to the pilot's
longevity.
The added complexity for such a control system would have
a stronger effect on system reliability due to increased
parts count.
Bob . . .
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khurst(at)taroom.qld.gov.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:03 am Post subject: alternator autopsy |
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| Quote: | P.S. You can put another 'I' and 'S' in narcissistic if you wish.
Can you spell N-A-R-C-I-S-S-T-I-C? One word can explain many things.
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Well I admit I couldn't spell it but I can now.
Another word for my very limited vocab thanks Chuck.
Regs
Kingsley
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