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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

Bugbee, then Colby

  

 I started in 64 under headmaster Ed  Cayley... Ray Lester started in '66.  I'll never forget his first Christmas  dinner address.  He apologized profusely to the residents of Montreal for  unleashing the full fury of 150 bohemians on an unsuspecting city.  A good  guy.

  

 Math with Mrs. Mc Clary then Mr.  McChonnachie.  French with Mrs. G.  she could never pronounce my name  but that's OK I couldn't pronounce her's either 

 

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eskflyer(at)lvcisp.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

How do you guys come up with this crap when a ? was asked . at least change  the heading to suit your post geeeeeee. 

  

 John Perry tired of the drivel 

 and why not use the DO NOT ARCHIVE 

  

  

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wingsdown(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

BY no means do I know much about 582s, but I thought the crank was a

disposable, non-turntable item.



Rick



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eskflyer(at)lvcisp.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

Rick ,

every part for the 582 crank is available its just finding them the hard 

part . the 582 mod 90 is easy to find parts for . The 582 blue head still 

looking to find the rods and  needle bearings for crank end . Correct me 

someone but if I am not mistaken the 582 blue head crank is the same as the 

618 crank ?.



 fly safe fly low fly slow fly fun fly KITFOX



John Perry

Kitfox 2 N718PD

TD/ Straight floats

582 C box 2:62-1



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occom

Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 404

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:17 am Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

I understand that the connecting rods used on the 582 are unique to that 

engine and are not sold at all. The old style rods will apparently hit and 

break the crankcase when the bearings get sloppy.

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eskflyer(at)lvcisp.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:48 am Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

Dave,

Which 582 are you talking about the new mod 99 or the old style mod 90 ?. Or 

another way to put it the gray head , or the Blue head  engine ?.



JP



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occom

Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 404

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:53 am Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

You'd have to ask an authority like CPS. I simply know they changed them and 

do not sell the rods separately, only as part of a crank assembley. I've 

seen this in print several times and it is repeated in a service video I 

have. I believe the change was before the mod 99 but again, I'm no expert.

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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

Call me dumb, but i just send engines to Bob Robertson and get new crank at 

300 hours.

No worries or failures to report of yet.



I leave the trials and errors up to the experts.



saving 500 to 1000 $ is good sense until you sepnd more on repairs.

I saw a guy a month ago same thing - refused to listen and now he needs one 

new wing  plus repairs to fuselage and recovering.

Yah good way to save a few dollars.   And I almost always get a kick out of 

the  AP or AME rebuilds on Rotax engine ( other than one certified on Rotax)

Just casue they a aircraft mechanic does not mean it will work .



To each their own.  And Dave CPS is USA side of border and will most likely 

be more expensive than sending to Light Engines ( BOB R ) in Alberta.



Dave



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akflyer
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:15 am Post subject: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding

dumb......you told me to....

occom

Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 404

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:03 am Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

Yes, CPS is in the states, what does that have to do with their expertise? I 

think many of those asking are also in the U.S.

BTW, I agree, following the recommended service program is probably much 

safer.



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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:28 am Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

Certified engines have manuals that are very in depth for every procedure

that is to be done on the engine.   As far as I know there is no such manual

available to non-Rotax technicians.  The local Ski-Doo shop will probably be

as good as a certified AME or A&P on the two stroke.



I have had dealings with Bob Robertson and I'm not the slightest bit shy

about recommending him to any one with a two stroke Rotax.  These engines

are about as far divorced from the four stroke Lycs and Conis as possible

and still have pistons.  They are really specialist engines and require a

specialist approach to repair.



Noel

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akflyer
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding

how can you lend any credibility to the "recomended service program" that varies by what country you are in ????  Every where else in the world the TBO on the crank is 600 hrs, but in the US we must do something terrible to our engines as we can only get half that out of them... please....The recomended TBO is based on a half life.  After the 600 hrs things start to get dicy so to remain ultra conservative in our sue happy country, they say to replace at 300...this is to cover the manufactures butt not ours...

by all means if it makes you feel better replace at 300....

dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

Just to help out your point.  I overhauled my 582 at 300 hours (including 

crank).  I was chasing a problem at the time and that was the reason for the 

overhaul.  Turned out, the problem was not even in the engine (another 

story).  My old 300 hour crank showed no wear what-so-ever.  As a matter of 

fact, the engines speced out in-spec.  Did not need an overhaul......



Don Smythe

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Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

Bravo leny 600   is the norm every place els      it makes me sick to see a  pile of cranks at LEAF with the rod's bent  in a vice  so no one can re use them  then they are sent  out  local and sold for scrap some less than 300 hr.  because of the 5 year  rule  you send a motor to them they don't tell you they wont rebuild it if  it has 5 years on  it till it is on the bench then they say they will  send it back to you with a huge bill for the tear down. I took that course  3 times     mal  do not archive  

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aerocontrols(at)clearwave
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

Hi All,



If you look at the Rotax Parts manual, the crankshaft for the Mod 90 and the 

Mod 99 are identical.  There is no difference between the two egines as far 

as the crankshaft is concerned.  The ear;ly Mod 90 had a crankshaft that had 

smaller large end rod pins and bearings , but that was discontinued a long 

time ago.



One of the reasons for not selling crankshaft parts seperately is " There 

are excillent crankshaft rebuilders and there crappy crankshaft rebuilders 

out there".  It would be impossible for Rotax to seperate out to whom they 

sell the parts.   As this is aviation, if a crankshaft fails, rebuilt or 

new, and there is an injury resulting from that particular failure, the 

lawyers come out in drives.  By simply not selling the parts they limit 

their liability.



Just my personal two cents



Bob Robertson



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akflyer
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:46 am Post subject: Re: need info on 582 rebuilding

Bob thanks for the honest reply.  Meens alot coming from "the guy".  It kinda drives home the point I have been trying to make all along... it is a lawyer based number....and you are right on in that not just anyone should be trusted to re-build the crank.

propellerdesign(at)tele2.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: need info on 582 rebuilding

I think the SOLO engine that is used in many German  self-launched gliders have a TBO of 400 H.

 but they use the engine 5-10 min per  flight..

  

 Jan

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